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amel223 said:
A big reason why Trump won -___-
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sn00pee said:
Nah, bernie a real one.
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TimidTebow said:
It worked for Trump...
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All of these

Midas whale cut all the decorum and get grimey like how the Trumpsters get down.

And we won't have any more situation where the minority of the US (Repubs) sneaks up on the majority of the US (centrist to left leaners)

#BugattiBern
 
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Some phrases like "establishment," "outsider" and "identity politics" have become either used so many different ways or they have been so weaponized as to be worthless. When the son of a President or a New York real estate mogul can be considered an outsider, the term has no meaning. When identity politics is never applied the white and male identity politics that is the life blood of American Conservatism, the terms is useless.

In hat vein, the term Bernie Bro is used for so many things now that it has lost it value in terms of being descriptive. Amanda Marcotte considers a Bernie Bro to be anyone who didn't enthusiastically support Clinton during the Primaries. Someone like Rusty, I believe, sees Bernie Bros as the folks who see politics exclusively through the lens of economics and institution and who fail to reckon for white supremacy in our politics. Meanwhile, I see Bernie bros as only the most hard headed people who voted Green despite the fact that Bernie Sanders pleaded with them not to do so.


I will say this about the DNC chair fight, the DNC Chair was very important to Bernie voters and was much more important to them than it was to those who supported Clinton in the Primaries and yet the Hillary folks felt the need to have the chairmanship. When you combine this with the VP pick, the Democratic Minority Leadership picks and the Senate Leadership picks, us Bernie folks feel like within the Democratic Party, Sanders or a Sanders ally will never get a a truly senior post with the Party.

Like I said last summer, they see Bernie and his faction as the Party's unpaid interns. I feel the same way here in late Winter. Now will there always be knuckleheads who will never ever come around to coalition politics, yes there will be. However, it would be nice to run an experiment and see how Sanders supporters react when the Democratic Party gives them one of their six non Presidential roles (VP, DNC chair or one of the four Congressional Leadership spots).
 
I have no sympathy for the Bernie Bros when:

1. Bernie only used the Dems as a vehicle so he could get on the ballot in the first place

2. They sit their ***** at home and complain when they don't get their way. 

I think the party should move more progressive for sure, but not at the expense of the base of the minority voters. 
 
The Dems in 2017 are like The Cleveland Browns they stay catching Ls and can't get out of their own way. Unfortunately Ninja is right, Trump is gonna wash them again in 2020 smh.
 
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We Liberals and Progressives gotta stop falling for the lesser of two evils politics. We need to force the left to support people who are really about change.
 
Republicans circle the wagons and will vote while Bernie Bros use false purity tests and sit out.
 
aepps20 said:
Republicans circle the wagons and will vote while Bernie Bros use false purity tests and sit out.
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Can't Blame folk for not being motivated to vote for folk. It's up to the political party to inspire their base to turn out to vote.
 
TimidTebow said:
Can't Blame folk for not being motivated to vote for folk. It's up to the political party to inspire their base to turn out to vote.
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The fact that people need to be inspired to vote speaks volumes. Republicans don't seem to have this problem which is why Dems have been taking Ls in local elections for some time now. Republicans vote in local and national elections. They show up and vote in consistent numbers and they realize that their candidates may not be the perfect candidates, but they view them as superior to a Democrat. Dems like Bernie Bros need to be inspired then whine when they don't get their way and they wonder why politicians don't take them seriously.
 
TimidTebow said:
aepps20 said:
Republicans circle the wagons and will vote while Bernie Bros use false purity tests and sit out.
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Can't Blame folk for not being motivated to vote for folk. It's up to the political party to inspire their base to turn out to vote.
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If the possibility of losing your rights doesn't inspire you to vote for those who will protect them, there is nothing more that can be said and we should just hope that there aren't many of you out there.

The house is burning, and you're bloviating about whether to die in the living room or in the bedroom instead of grabbing a hose to extinguish the fire. Stop acting like this is politics as usual.
 
Deported With A Valid U.S. Visa, Jordanian Says Message Is 'You're Not Welcome'


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February 24, 20176:28 PM ET
JANE ARRAF

Yahya Abu Romman stands outside his family's home in downtown Amman. The 22-year-old was deported from the U.S. after landing in Chicago at the end of January with a valid visa. He says border officers questioned why he holds a Jordanian passport when he was born in Syria.
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Yahya Abu Romman, a 22-year-old languages major, had just graduated from university. To celebrate, he planned a six-week trip to the U.S., where his brother, uncles and aunts and more than a dozen cousins have lived for years.

With good grades, an engaging personality and fluency in three languages — English, Arabic and Spanish — he had worked as a nature conservation ranger while studying, and had his pick of jobs with tour companies in Jordan, a strong U.S. ally.

In 2015, Abu Romman was issued a tourist visa at the U.S. embassy in Amman, good for five years. With money from a graduation present, he bought a round-trip ticket and landed at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport a few days after the start of President Trump's travel ban on the citizens of seven predominantly Muslim countries.

That's where the positive impression of the U.S. he'd inherited from his father came to a screeching halt.

"My dad is a graduate from the University of Illinois," says Abu Romman. "He always told me America is the land of justice, land of opportunities, of generosity. That there are very kind people. And there are. But I think things have changed."

Abu Romman is a Jordanian citizen, but born in Syria. He's been to Syria only once since birth — and being born in an Arab country doesn't automatically confer citizenship there. Instead, citizenship is generally based your father's nationality. Still, Abu Romman couldn't persuade the border officer at O'Hare that he wasn't Syrian.

"He said, 'Sir, if you were born in Syria, you should have a Syrian passport,' " says Abu Romman at his family's home off a winding street in the Jordanian capital. "I said, 'Why should I have a Syrian passport? My father is Jordanian. My mother is Jordanian. We all are Jordanian, but it happened to be in Syria where I was born.' He knocked on the glass next to him, to his colleague. He said, 'We might have a problem with this."

The questions moved on to the case of Abu Romman's brother, who had lived illegally in the U.S. and overstayed a visa before becoming a citizen. Then border guards went through Abu Romman's phone and found emails he'd sent to flight schools in the U.S. and other countries.

Abu Romman says his dream was to learn to fly, and he was simply asking about scholarships. But the officer wasn't convinced that he wasn't planning to stay in the U.S.

"He said, 'Sir, we're going to be cancelling your visa,'" says Abu Romman.

He shows me his U.S. visa with the words "Revoked – cancelled by CBP" – Customs and Border Protection — written across it with a red marker.


Zina Khabbas (left), a Jordanian engineering graduate who says she wants to leave the country but has no interest in going to the United States. Khabbas was at a demonstration Friday protesting rising prices of fuel and government services.
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Abu Romman says the officer told him he would not be allowed to call his embassy before he signed papers agreeing to be deported. He says he wasn't allowed to phone a lawyer or a family member.

"He said, 'If you refuse to sign the papers ... I will ban you from entering the United States for the rest of your life,'" Abu Romman says.

He was told he would be deported the following morning.

CBP officers took his jacket, his belt, his phone and his shoelaces, he says, and put him in a cold cell with a steel door and open toilet, along with five other people.

"I sat there and introduced myself to my cellmates. Most of them were engineers or something," Abu Romman says.

There were five mattresses on the floor for six people. Abu Romman says everyone crammed into the cell had advanced degrees, including an Indian engineer working for an American company.

Refugee and immigrants' rights organizations have gone to court over the issue of other travelers who were earlier denied entry to the U.S. after the ban. The case argues that the travelers were coerced by border officials into agreeing to be deported. This is similar to Abu Romman's account of his experience at O'Hare, though he is not represented in the case.

As of Friday afternoon, CBP had yet to comment in response to NPR requests about Abu Romman's experience.

Abu Romman had visited the United States once before, when he was in the sixth grade, and has wonderful memories of that trip.

"They were so welcoming – 'Come to us. See our beautiful land,'" he says. "Now they're telling you not to come, please. 'You're not welcome.'"

He's been told by the U.S. embassy in Jordan he can apply again for a visa, but probably shouldn't do it right way. Abu Romman says he probably will, but it's been a painful lesson. He seems genuinely puzzled by the assumption by border officers that he might try to stay in the U.S.

"I'm a lot safer in Jordan," he says. "You hear about people being robbed and killed [in the U.S.] all the time. My relatives say sometimes even in gas stations, there are bullet-proof windows between people working there and the customer. You never have to worry about that here."

Most Jordanians say their biggest problems are economic. At a demonstration Friday in downtown Amman to protest price increases in fuel and public services, another recent graduate, Zina Khabbas, said she was thinking of moving to the Gulf.

Khabbas, wearing designer sunglasses and an elegant head scarf woven with gold threads, is an engineer. She says it's tough to make ends meet in Jordan, but neither she nor her friends are considering the U.S.

"America was an opportunity for people here before," says the 22-year-old. "But now, no one is actually thinking about the United States for a future place to live."
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Gry60 said:
If the possibility of losing your rights doesn't inspire you to vote for those who will protect them, there is nothing more that can be said and we should just hope that there aren't many of you out there.

The house is burning, and you're bloviating about whether to die in the living room or in the bedroom instead of grabbing a hose to extinguish the fire. Stop acting like this is politics as usual.
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My people have never had rights so this isn't nothing new to me. Like Kendrick said We gone be aight...
 
TimidTebow said:
Gry60 said:
If the possibility of losing your rights doesn't inspire you to vote for those who will protect them, there is nothing more that can be said and we should just hope that there aren't many of you out there.

The house is burning, and you're bloviating about whether to die in the living room or in the bedroom instead of grabbing a hose to extinguish the fire. Stop acting like this is politics as usual.
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My people have never had rights so this isn't nothing new to me. Like Kendrick said We gone be aight...
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Here we go :rolleyes
 
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