***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Real talk, Trump trying to get through "The Cat in the Hat" would be like a middle schooler trying to get through "Infinite Jest".

After a a couple minutes, he would just be trying to recognize words on the page, and at the end he would think the Cat is a Muslim.

 

[IATT]

 

[EddieDoyers]

Damn the water filter merchant in trouble

 

[Mr.Guy]

I'm still surprised at the turn steezy has made in this thread. I used to think son was one of those All Lives matter, pull yourself up by the boot strap, anti immigrant persons. Son used to go hard against folk in the police shootings threads and Haiti threads. Kudos for now showing some consciousness, I thought you were in a sunken place for a minute, but you've changed it seems.

 

[jthagreat]

^ you not the one who gets to make comments like this. :x

 

[gry60]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-plunge-in-industry-that-may-hurt-fossil-fuel

Oil companies are installing wind turbines on offshore oil rigs.

http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/db_352775/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=zR0MIrxq

Hawaii judge who issued a freeze on the immigration ban gets protection from US Marshalls after receiving death threats.

And today in you're-a-special-kind-of-stupid news:
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indiana-restaurant-owner-deported-friday-116463/

Dude enters USA illegally in 1999; gets work permit and checks in with ICE annually; gets married; becomes restaurant owner; wife goes ahead and vote for Trump.

 

[rolaholic]

Saw that story a few weeks back,crazy how folks like that think dude is just an exception for undocumented immigrants and not the rule . I'm pretty sure more often than not,undocumented immigrants try their best to contribute to their communities given all they risked to get there.

In other news,I did say Nunes was in deep **** yesterday...

@thehill:
JUST IN: Top Oversight Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman http://hill.cm/FM0oXWa

Elijah Cummings is that dude though

 

[gry60]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...p-shot-dead-ukraine-kiev-killed-a7645436.html

 

[rolaholic]

Another Putin critic found dead in broad daylight? Color me surprised...

@rachaelmbade: Overheard from a House GOP lawmaker: "If this goes down, we're all screwed."

Realistically they'll be even more screwed, especially longterm, if it passes

 

[whywesteppin]

2 articles on trump today. one is an interview with time: http://amp.timeinc.net/time/4710456/donald-trump-time-interview-truth-falsehood/

i don't even know what to say.

there was also an op-ed from wsj questioning his credibility if he keeps lying:

 

[dragicon]

Ahead of his meeting with the House’s most hard-line conservatives, President Trump released a video pitch for the House plan to repeal and partially replace the Affordable Care Act. Bottom line: “Go with our plan. It’s going to be terrific.”

what a buffoon.

 

[RustyShackleford]

But a bigmouth bass told me this wasn't his bill,that him and Pual Ryan are not allies

 

[EddieDoyers]

Whenever Trump says "It's going to terrific", that means the plan is going to be terrible.

 

[rolaholic]

"The best people"

@GlennThrush: John Bolton just walked into the West Wing -- I asked him what he was doing, he smiled and said 'health care!!!!'

Some of you might remember Bolton as the neocon extraordinaire behind much of Dubya's and his dads foreign policy

He's working on health care now...healthcare

 

[dragicon]

^ well his foreign policy worked so well that it created the US economy to crash, resulted in tens of thousands of deaths, and created a general dislike towards the US by many foreign countries. I can't wait to see what he has up his sleeves for healthcare.

 

[gry60]

^ well his foreign policy worked so well that it created the US economy to crash, resulted in tens of thousands of deaths, and created a general dislike towards the US by many foreign countries lots of asset buying opportunities for pennies on the dollar for the rentier class. I can't wait to see what he has up his sleeves for healthcare.

FTFY...

 

[EddieDoyers]

"The best people"

@GlennThrush: John Bolton just walked into the West Wing -- I asked him what he was doing, he smiled and said 'health care!!!!'

Some of you might remember Bolton as the neocon extraordinaire behind much of Dubya's and his dads foreign policy

He's working on health care now...healthcare

I remember when Ninja told me that neocons weren't going to run the government anymore

 

[dathbgboy]

big mouth bass the pescado papi. He did say that though, I'm just waitin for the spin at this point.

"When he said "our" he really didn't mean him included, he just meant "our" like in "us"."

 

[EddieDoyers]

It's funny
Trump isn't a neocon
But his staff is going to be filled with them
TREMENDOUS

when was da last time Trump listened to his "experts" on things they wanna do vs what he wants to do?

 

[gry60]

big mouth bass the pescado papi. He did say that though, I'm just waitin for the spin at this point.

"When he said "our" he really didn't mean him included, he just meant "our" like in "us"."

You just have to find Trump's heart and look at it.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Remember when Papi Naranja wreaks havoc on the lives of the poor to help the rich white upper class, that all the poor have to do is delude themselves that they are really a rich white man so "they gonna eat off that same money" too

 

[RustyShackleford]

Spicey is Live

Looks like the House might delay the Trumpcare vote, Trump can't convince the Freedom Caucus to come on board

 

[gry60]

 

[aepps20]

Hopefully Spicey lets da yappa loose on fake news.

 

[gry60]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...rassing-putin.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

Two common causes of death for contemporary Russians are heart attacks and falling to one’s end from great heights. In some cases, these fatal tendencies even have something to do with high cholesterol or tragic mishaps.
In 2008, a clothing salesman called Semyon Korobeinikov lost his footing on a balcony somehow and tumbled to his demise.
A year later, Korobeinikov was named as the purchaser of Universal Savings Bank, a dubious financial institution that had been fingered by investigators as a way-station for stolen Russian money. Only he didn’t buy the bank. It was part of a government ruse to exonerate the true owner, an ex-convict called Dmitry Klyuev, a reputed mob boss implicated in a series of massive tax frauds that cost Russian citizens $1 billion
Korobeinikov might have therefore borne witness against Klyuev, if he wasn’t conveniently already 6 feet under.
In 2009, in a related case, Russian tax attorney Sergei Magnitsky was beaten to death by eight prison guards, according to a report published by then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev’s own human rights commission. The Kremlin claimed he died of a coronary. Then it put him on trial posthumously for tax evasion.
The case prompted U.S. anti-corruption and human rights legislation, known as the Magnitsky Law, which put the Russian government under Vladimir Putin on notice that it could not always get away with such abuses.
Magnitsky was killed by a hybridized state-mafia organization for unearthing a $230 million tax fraud perpetrated against the Russian people. The mob had colluded with the same cops supposed to investigate the crime, tax officials who processed it, and a host of compromised judges in various jurisdictions tasked with covering it up. They were all members of the Klyuev Group, and many are now sanctioned under the Magnitsky Law.
In 2012, Alexander Perepilichny, a former member of the Klyuev Group, dropped dead while jogging in his adoptive home of Surrey, England. There was no cause of death stated, but the assumption by the British coroner’s initial finding was that nothing looked suspicious, even though Perepilichny was a healthy 44-year-old with no known chronic or debilitating ailments.

Then Monique Simmonds, a researcher at the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew, hired by the coroner at the behest of Perepilichny’s life insurance company, uncovered traces of a rare and toxic plant, gelsemium, in the victim’s stomach.
Gelsemium, as it turns out, does not grow in the verdant climes of Surrey. It is only found in China, where it is a favored poison of assassins. Russian hitmen, too, have been known to access the flower’s quiet, lethal capability.
At the time of his death, Perepilichny had been helping the Swiss government locate and freeze chunks of the missing $230 million, some of which, the U.S. government concluded, wound up in Manhattan real estate and American banks.
In an ongoing asset forfeiture and money-laundering case initiated by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, the alleged vehicle by which these dirty assets were washed clean was a Cyprus-registered company called Prevezon Holdings Ltd. (The U.S. attorney behind the case was Preet Bharara, fired by the Trump administration after refusing to resign.)
The Daily Beast has published half a dozen stories about United States v. Prevezon, including its star-studded and ever-evolving cast of characters.

So, now we come to the case of Nikolai Gorokhov, a lawyer entangled in the Prevezon case as a verification witness for the Justice Department who can expertly identify and authenticate Russian financial documents.
Gorokhov had intimate knowledge of the literature connected with the Magnitsky affair because he has represented the murdered lawyer’s justice-seeking wife and mother for six years.
On Wednesday, he was due to testify in the Moscow City Appeals Court to argue against another court’s refusal to re-investigate the conspiracy that Magnitsky uncovered, based on new evidence. That evidence suggested a former investigative head of the Russian Interior Ministry was fabricating or revising old files related to the case, and doing so at the behest of the Klyuev Group.
But on Tuesday, the 53-year-old Gorokhov plummeted from the fourth floor of his apartment building in Moscow. He was trying to move a bathtub to an apartment at the top of the building, according to the Russian press.
Curiously, first on the scene to report this as an accident involving a renovation gone wrong was LifeNews, a Russian outlet closely connected to the Russian security services and famous for inventing false news stories about the war in Ukraine and the murder of opposition leader Boris Nemtsov.
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“There’s still a lot of missing pieces to the whole story, but what we know for sure is that he was onto some of the most sensitive issues that the Russian government cares about in relation to the Magnitsky case,” Bill Browder, Magnitsky’s former client, told The Daily Beast in a phone call from London. “A lot of people weren’t happy with what he was doing in the Prevezon case.”
Gorokhov, Browder said, is currently in the intensive-care unit at Botkin Hospital with severe head trauma, although his injuries no longer appear life threatening.
So, we may yet learn if he fell or was pushed. Or if he will get his day in court as a witness for the U.S. government.