***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

Nobody got ethered, nobody ducked any smoke. Read that thread from the beginning.

That thread is a pro-Hamas thread, the posters who continue posting there even admitted they are pro-Hamas and I'm glad I got banned from it.

Its full of conspiracies, propaganda, racism, and unrealistic solutions.

I said from day one, idc if you're Pro-Palestinian and have family roots there. I can have normal conversations with a Jordanian friend and once roommate who literally lived in the West Bank for 10 years.

But I'm not gonna go back and forth with the Pro-Hamas contingent. Its completely useless and a waste of time as they will never see this in an unbiased way.

Like I said. No point in going back and forth as we won't be on the same page.

You'll point to extremists. I'll point to extremists on your side.

Peace will come down to leadership.

Israel will 100% get a better leader after Bibi. Especially since it was already leaning left before the war.

There were good ones before. Just like here in the U.S.

But until Gaza or the West Bank have more competent non-ideologic political leadership, who use their money on their actual people and not only on their military and themselves, who don't bow down to big boss Iran, there will continue to never be peace in that region.

 

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INSANE headline

 

[gry60]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-staff-members-protest-israels-war-gaza-2024-05-08/

 

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INSANE headline

 

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[rexanglorum]

INSANE headline

His pitch to young people “I may not be Paul Atreides, but my mind has been permanently altered by a worm.”

 

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[jpzx]

Nixon was the last President to wear a top hat to his inauguration.

 

[aepps20]

Nixon was the last President to wear a top hat to his inauguration.

He looked HANDSOME

 

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[gry60]

The New Propaganda War

Autocrats in China, Russia, and elsewhere are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.

www.theatlantic.com

"It isn't enough to stop the desire for democracy at home; there's a need to poison the well abroad, so that when citizens of autocratic countries look for positive examples of democratic principles being practiced, they find none."

I don't think I fully agree with the thesis of the article, considering that it didn't touch on our own history of picking who gets to practice democracy. However, the examples posted are a good reminder of how the Republican party came to publicly embrace the idea of dictatorship.

If you support the protests that are happening right now, and if you support the right to assemble and strike and talk **** to and about the government outside of your home, you have a duty to kick as many GOPers as you can out of office this year because they will take all that away.

 

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[DripNick]

Its full of conspiracies, propaganda, racism, and unrealistic solutions.

Pot calling the kettle black. Your accusations are just disguised confessions, the IDF way

 

[me love nutella]

There’s nothing wrong with explaining the factors that led to October 7th. But there is something wrong with using those factors to justify October 7th.

I appreciate you being able to recognize that Hamas committed war crimes, if you want to call them that rather than terrorist attacks.

I don’t justify or condone the Israeli occupation and horror towards Palestinians at all. I’m wholly against the settlements and severe restrictions on Palestinian autonomy. But I don’t think that killing hundreds of innocent civilians - both Israelis and foreigners - is the answer. And it was foolish of Hamas when they should/know it would result in horrific casualties to the Palestinian people.

For the record, the U.S. has a military base in Israel. So if you’re going to say the October 7th attack was on “our lands” then I guess you’d support Hamas attacking that base. What do you think the result of such an action would be?

Why is October 7th the starting point? gry60 gave you the answer. Hamas attacked hundreds of innocent civilians, women, children, festival-goers, etc. So I understand you want to call it a military action, but it was also a massive terrorist attack that has now resulted in thousands of Palestinian casualties.

Like you, I am against innocent people being killed. I still want to know what feasible solution you’d support that wouldn’t result in the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents, be they Palestinian or Israeli. I want the apartheid to end but I recognize that Hamas is not helping that to occur, and thus am confused as to why you defend such an organization committing terrorist attacks that are detrimental to Palestinian people.

Well, with the "fog of war" I guess there's 2 sides of narratives/propaganda out there on Oct. 7. I think in many years down the line, there'll be more that's revealed. So, from all that I have gathered and read heavy into this from all angles, I combed through many sources to come to my conclusion. I am not trying to toot my own horn, but I have confidence in combing out propaganda, what's true and what isn't and have capacity of investigative type reading I do on my own. I sincerely just do not take anything at face value.

As a Palestinian, we have become very skilled in needing to do heavy research because Israel's propaganda is on another level type mythologies they put out there. I mean, like starting from the ancient history they spew. Remember, Israeli Zionist narrative is Palestinians don't exist, and there is no such thing as Palestinians. So that's part of the job for us to look for and know the truth.

By the way, I am an atheist, so I am not for political religious movements. First and foremost is whose out there putting their bodies on the line to resist this brutal violent occupation on us? Remember, it is daily for decades now. I also know there is no such thing as perfect victims. As a Palestinian, I am for any resistance protecting Palestinians from the violent Israeli occupation, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, siege, and now the genocide. Of course, not targeting of civilians, but I think I understand, rather than justify, that when that does happen, it is because they don't have the level playing field of being armed to the teeth and effective means to counter the severely disproportionate and excessive daily brutalization and killings of Palestinian lives. I am talking about even before Oct. 7.

I don't know what the answer is because I just know the roots such as the occupation need to end first and foremost. I know Palestinians deserve their right to self-determination, freedom and human rights. I am just not going to judge how the oppressed Palestinians will go about it, although there are tactics morally I don't approve, but I understand they are at the much bigger disadvantage.

 

[me love nutella]

Its full of conspiracies, propaganda, racism, and unrealistic solutions.

This always astonishes me because I have never ever seen any propaganda as more blatantly wholly exaggerated with lies about usually on EVERYTHING than Zionists and Israel.

Like to me, they even beat U.S. and Russian on the severity of lies and propaganda.

I think that is why pro-Zionist always use this card because it is such a projection of their propaganda and lies.

 

[DripNick]

Fast forward 2024 they still got the same agenda

 

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[me love nutella]

Ya'll I need cliff notes on drama in U.S. politics. taking place now.

I don't know where to start to catch up with all the drama with Trump and other incumbents because my hyperfocus has been on Gaza.

I tried to read through this thread to get caught up but there's a lot.

In Canada here there's stuff going down in politics because elections set for next year. We even have a Trump lite opposition leader.

So whatever goes down in U.S. influences politics here.

Any bullets on where I can keep up with the campaign news that's factual? I know I will have to cover news articles, podcasts, etc.

Thanks in advance.

 

[me love nutella]

Question: Is the Trump trial considered a take down to remove his chances at winning presidency again?

All these politicians are corrupt and criminals though.