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[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by MexicanSoul

Originally Posted by cartune

Maybe cause we dont care

1. That whole situation about someone telling him to CO was told to me a long time ago. I dont believe it but it had me

when he actually said it because that situation is common. I know for a fact my boy skooter got the CO job in Holden just so he could work undeground. Thats why I dont look at COs the same

Why is there always a NTer who knows someone that does X when in fact they dont?

The FACT is, CO's dont get no respect whatsoever. You dont become a CO to become a drug dealer...CO's are birds to the Sheriffs ( THE REAL DEALERS) who do as they please in jails. CO's answer to way to many people for them to ever make any "Rick Ross" type of stories being made up.

I could care less that he lied but any respect one had for him is thrown out the window due to his constant lying.

Shut up

 

[send one]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by SEND ONE

Originally Posted by Regent Park

This dude never learns.� I'm starting to think he has some sort of problem.� After every thing that's happened and he still lying.

I dont see how anyone can watch that vid and still mess with that *@%!*.�

Maybe cause we dont care

1. That whole situation about someone telling him to CO was told to me a long time ago. I dont believe it but it had me

when he actually said it because that situation is common. I know for a fact my boy skooter got the CO job in Holden just so he could work undeground. Thats why I dont look at COs the same

2. The whole Ross was a CO thing been bubbling since Port of Miami. So why should I care just cause 50 said it?

3. And dudes saying it aint about him being a CO its about him lyin

He aint my girl he aint my homeboy. I actually pay this dude $9.99 to lie to me, so yea he lied but the majority of people who dont live off of worldstar are saying "how is 50 calling anybody a cop?"

So you have no problem supporting some who acts as feminine as this dude..........I see.

Birds of a feather mentality I suppose.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

Originally Posted by dreClark

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

That Ne-Yo track is piffsicles...F_ what y'all talking bout..."Girl drunk it like a Fiji and it blew my socks...."

lol,

*Stolen*

And why the %*!% you got Joe in your avy?

I was thinking the same damn thing .

Joe ? Most random @*%% ever .

A little inside joke

I figured that.

 

[ill legal operation]

Beyond Authenticity: A Rapper Restages


By JON CARAMANICA

Published: April 22, 2009

It's hard to say when, exactly, 50 Cent crossed the line in his feud with the Miami rapper Rick Ross. The more apt question might be: How many lines are there? He tracked down the mother of a Ross associate, DJ Khaled, at work, filming her sleeping on the job. He taped himself taking the mother of one of Mr. Ross's children to buy a fur coat. He acquired and posted to the Internet a pornographic video starring another of Mr. Ross's ex-girlfriends.


http://
After the hip-hop world learned he had once studied to be a corrections officer, Rick Ross might have had some credibility issues. Instead, he has delivered his best album to date.

After much upheaval, Rick Ross has emerged from the fray relatively unscathed and with a strong new album, "Deeper Than Rap." "I see no reason to run to the dark," he said in a recent interview.
http://
Rick Ross must have seemed an especially easy mark - it had already been a tough few months for his fourth wall. Before he was Rick Ross, the drug boss M.C., he had been William Leonard Roberts, and last summer a photograph surfaced of him from the mid-1990s, graduating from a corrections officer academy. He denied its authenticity - until The Smoking Gun got hold of his Florida Corrections Department personnel file, which included a certificate for perfect attendance.

The facts of Mr. Roberts's life were getting in the way of Mr. Ross's career.

To all this upheaval, Rick Ross - who, while he has been popular, has never quite been great - has replied, improbably, with art. "I see no reason to run to the dark," he said in a recent interview in the Manhattan offices of his label, Def Jam. His songs aimed at 50 Cent have, hands down, been sharper and wittier than those of his rival. And the just-released "Deeper Than Rap" (Maybach Music/Slip N' Slide/Def Jam), his third album, is unexpectedly fantastic, by far his best.

If albums were all that mattered, that would be that. But Mr. Ross's persistence and the fact that though over the last nine months he's been all but stripped bare, he's emerged from the fray relatively unscathed, which indicates something much more noteworthy. Impenetrability of image, that old signal of hip-hop authenticity, somehow no longer seems to count.

And what a relief that is. Like all great pop music, rap is theater, and Rick Ross, now 33, is one of its most ambitious characters. He arrived fully formed in the summer of 2006: the busting-out gut, the outsize presence, the scratchy voice, the always-there sunglasses. At worst he was a Young Jeezy clone, spewing empty drug talk in comically repetitive fashion. At best he was an utterly believable and improbably charming exponent of the cocaine-rap making the rounds at the time. Clipse may have done it with more technical precision, and Jeezy with more magnetism, but Mr. Ross sounded in charge, his voice a gravelly threat.

"Deeper Than Rap" is just as certain as his first two studio albums, "Port of Miami" and "Trilla," but reflects the view from the top, not the bottom. Now, instead of climbing up to success, he's achieved it. Produced largely by J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League and the Inkredibles, this album is lush, erotic, entitled, a stunning leisure-class document of easy wealth and carefree sex. It's a throwback to a time of sonic and attitudinal ambition in hip-hop - the Bad Boy era of the mid- to late '90s, with its warm soul samples connoting the new hip-hop luxury comes to mind. Few rap albums have sounded this assured, this sumptuous, in years.

Also, unlike before, Mr. Ross can now rap, impressively: either he's been studying or is having his hand held. It's the only thing at odds with this album's casual ethic; rapping well need not be a priority, but Mr. Ross seems to take his newfound affinity for polysyllabic rhyme schemes as a point of pride.

On "Usual Suspects" he raps:

"Seventeen, trying to man up

Feed the fam, boy, I put that on these canned goods

All I got was diabetes and a damn hug

People talking down, calling me a damn scrub.

What's also notable about "Deeper Than Rap" is what's not there. 50 Cent is a target on at least three songs, but Mr. Ross doesn't belabor the battle nor does he touch on the aspects of his personal life that have lately haunted him.

In an age of routine tabloid invasions and the microrevelation as celebrity news, it's become commonplace to expect access to all aspects of the lives of the famous. But in the hip-hop world, the stories behind the stories can be too grave to tell.

"Right now as we speak, I got two of my best friends that's on the run from two separate cocaine conspiracy indictments," Mr. Ross said. "This is a reality that I can't glorify. The relationship I have with these people is deeper than rap.

"When I say something like 'deeper than rap,' that's possibly death involved. That's possibly prison time involved."

The idea of "deeper than rap" has become a hip-hop touchstone of late. When the rapper Crooked I was shot, or not, earlier this year - he wouldn't confirm or deny reports - he demurred from discussing the situation, saying, "It's deeper than rap."

Last month, on the MTV show "T. I.'s Road to Redemption," that rapper calmly detailed the criminal activities that led to his arrest in 2007 on weapons charges. Coming from T. I. himself, it was shocking, an alternative history of his career that had nothing at all to do with music. (He is scheduled to begin serving his year-and-a-day sentence next month.)

Though his life beyond rap has been used against him, Mr. Ross still teases about an unknowable dark side. On the new album he name-drops Harry O, a Los Angeles drug dealer (who claimed to have provided the seed money for Death Row Records), and Big Ike, a Miami street kingpin.

Mr. Ross took his name from Freeway Rick Ross, a Los Angeles drug lord, and was mentored by Kenneth Williams, known as Boobie and now serving a life sentence. On "Gunplay," from the new album, Mr. Ross raps "Boobie Boy still/ Boobie Boys real/ You can name a lot of lames that the Boobie Boys killed."

Perhaps he's overcompensating. Mr. Ross's outing as a former corrections officer was the most spectacular and public implosion of a rapper's self-styled tough-guy image - the hip-hop blog NahRight.com gleefully refers to him as Officer Rawse - since The Dallas Morning News picked apart the looser sections of Vanilla Ice's biography during his rise to fame in 1990.

But Vanilla Ice's songs weren't filled with homage to the drug trade and its leading lights. And no one expected unvarnished truth from him. Mr. Ross must submit to a different standard.

Or at least he still acts as if he must. Of his stint on the side of the law, Mr. Ross said, "The truth is more sinister than the obvious," suggesting an undisclosed layer to his time there.

Miami, he said, is a city where young go-getters "sell dope, buy Lamborghinis and get buried in them." This month he filmed a video for "All I Really Want," a collaboration with The-Dream, in Medellín, Colombia. In footage from the trip, available on YouTube, he stands outside the house where Pablo Escobar was killed, sunglasses off, soaking in history.

Whether it's a validation of Mr. Ross's extramusical credibility or an elaborately staged pose might not matter: creating this scene allows for a productive ambiguity in how he is perceived by outsiders. All the revelations about him get dwarfed by the question of who Rick Ross might be when he steps away from the microphone.

Asked how he'd explain to his children the more insidious of the ex-girlfriend videos 50 Cent has disseminated, Mr. Ross was philosophical: "I'd say she was an actress for a day. I love actresses." In other words, an acknowledgment that sometimes it's acceptable to just be playing a role.


NY Times....

I don't give a damn how good they say this album is...I ain't never bumpin' this !@@%.

It's open season for _'s to get on wax and just lie they *+* off?

Like, it's all good now for _'s to pump that coke/gangsta image now even though it's total fabrication?

What kinda real life CB4/Fear of a Black Hat type !@@% is this?

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Cats been fictitious on albums for a long time. No reason to deprive ya self of some good tracks.

Plus he toned down the Clipse raps on this disc. Its more liad back player s_ and introspectionthat tall tales about Noriega...the real Noriega.

 

[jordanfan04]

Originally Posted by ILL LEGAL OPERATION

Beyond Authenticity: A Rapper Restages


By JON CARAMANICA

Published: April 22, 2009

It's hard to say when, exactly, 50 Cent crossed the line in his feud with the Miami rapper Rick Ross. The more apt question might be: How many lines are there? He tracked down the mother of a Ross associate, DJ Khaled, at work, filming her sleeping on the job. He taped himself taking the mother of one of Mr. Ross's children to buy a fur coat. He acquired and posted to the Internet a pornographic video starring another of Mr. Ross's ex-girlfriends.

After the hip-hop world learned he had once studied to be a corrections officer, Rick Ross might have had some credibility issues. Instead, he has delivered his best album to date.

After much upheaval, Rick Ross has emerged from the fray relatively unscathed and with a strong new album, "Deeper Than Rap." "I see no reason to run to the dark," he said in a recent interview.
http://
Rick Ross must have seemed an especially easy mark - it had already been a tough few months for his fourth wall. Before he was Rick Ross, the drug boss M.C., he had been William Leonard Roberts, and last summer a photograph surfaced of him from the mid-1990s, graduating from a corrections officer academy. He denied its authenticity - until The Smoking Gun got hold of his Florida Corrections Department personnel file, which included a certificate for perfect attendance.

The facts of Mr. Roberts's life were getting in the way of Mr. Ross's career.

To all this upheaval, Rick Ross - who, while he has been popular, has never quite been great - has replied, improbably, with art. "I see no reason to run to the dark," he said in a recent interview in the Manhattan offices of his label, Def Jam. His songs aimed at 50 Cent have, hands down, been sharper and wittier than those of his rival. And the just-released "Deeper Than Rap" (Maybach Music/Slip N' Slide/Def Jam), his third album, is unexpectedly fantastic, by far his best.

If albums were all that mattered, that would be that. But Mr. Ross's persistence and the fact that though over the last nine months he's been all but stripped bare, he's emerged from the fray relatively unscathed, which indicates something much more noteworthy. Impenetrability of image, that old signal of hip-hop authenticity, somehow no longer seems to count.

And what a relief that is. Like all great pop music, rap is theater, and Rick Ross, now 33, is one of its most ambitious characters. He arrived fully formed in the summer of 2006: the busting-out gut, the outsize presence, the scratchy voice, the always-there sunglasses. At worst he was a Young Jeezy clone, spewing empty drug talk in comically repetitive fashion. At best he was an utterly believable and improbably charming exponent of the cocaine-rap making the rounds at the time. Clipse may have done it with more technical precision, and Jeezy with more magnetism, but Mr. Ross sounded in charge, his voice a gravelly threat.

"Deeper Than Rap" is just as certain as his first two studio albums, "Port of Miami" and "Trilla," but reflects the view from the top, not the bottom. Now, instead of climbing up to success, he's achieved it. Produced largely by J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League and the Inkredibles, this album is lush, erotic, entitled, a stunning leisure-class document of easy wealth and carefree sex. It's a throwback to a time of sonic and attitudinal ambition in hip-hop - the Bad Boy era of the mid- to late '90s, with its warm soul samples connoting the new hip-hop luxury comes to mind. Few rap albums have sounded this assured, this sumptuous, in years.

Also, unlike before, Mr. Ross can now rap, impressively: either he's been studying or is having his hand held. It's the only thing at odds with this album's casual ethic; rapping well need not be a priority, but Mr. Ross seems to take his newfound affinity for polysyllabic rhyme schemes as a point of pride.

On "Usual Suspects" he raps:

"Seventeen, trying to man up

Feed the fam, boy, I put that on these canned goods

All I got was diabetes and a damn hug

People talking down, calling me a damn scrub.

What's also notable about "Deeper Than Rap" is what's not there. 50 Cent is a target on at least three songs, but Mr. Ross doesn't belabor the battle nor does he touch on the aspects of his personal life that have lately haunted him.

In an age of routine tabloid invasions and the microrevelation as celebrity news, it's become commonplace to expect access to all aspects of the lives of the famous. But in the hip-hop world, the stories behind the stories can be too grave to tell.

"Right now as we speak, I got two of my best friends that's on the run from two separate cocaine conspiracy indictments," Mr. Ross said. "This is a reality that I can't glorify. The relationship I have with these people is deeper than rap.

"When I say something like 'deeper than rap,' that's possibly death involved. That's possibly prison time involved."

The idea of "deeper than rap" has become a hip-hop touchstone of late. When the rapper Crooked I was shot, or not, earlier this year - he wouldn't confirm or deny reports - he demurred from discussing the situation, saying, "It's deeper than rap."

Last month, on the MTV show "T. I.'s Road to Redemption," that rapper calmly detailed the criminal activities that led to his arrest in 2007 on weapons charges. Coming from T. I. himself, it was shocking, an alternative history of his career that had nothing at all to do with music. (He is scheduled to begin serving his year-and-a-day sentence next month.)

Though his life beyond rap has been used against him, Mr. Ross still teases about an unknowable dark side. On the new album he name-drops Harry O, a Los Angeles drug dealer (who claimed to have provided the seed money for Death Row Records), and Big Ike, a Miami street kingpin.

Mr. Ross took his name from Freeway Rick Ross, a Los Angeles drug lord, and was mentored by Kenneth Williams, known as Boobie and now serving a life sentence. On "Gunplay," from the new album, Mr. Ross raps "Boobie Boy still/ Boobie Boys real/ You can name a lot of lames that the Boobie Boys killed."

Perhaps he's overcompensating. Mr. Ross's outing as a former corrections officer was the most spectacular and public implosion of a rapper's self-styled tough-guy image - the hip-hop blog NahRight.com gleefully refers to him as Officer Rawse - since The Dallas Morning News picked apart the looser sections of Vanilla Ice's biography during his rise to fame in 1990.

But Vanilla Ice's songs weren't filled with homage to the drug trade and its leading lights. And no one expected unvarnished truth from him. Mr. Ross must submit to a different standard.

Or at least he still acts as if he must. Of his stint on the side of the law, Mr. Ross said, "The truth is more sinister than the obvious," suggesting an undisclosed layer to his time there.

Miami, he said, is a city where young go-getters "sell dope, buy Lamborghinis and get buried in them." This month he filmed a video for "All I Really Want," a collaboration with The-Dream, in Medellín, Colombia. In footage from the trip, available on YouTube, he stands outside the house where Pablo Escobar was killed, sunglasses off, soaking in history.

Whether it's a validation of Mr. Ross's extramusical credibility or an elaborately staged pose might not matter: creating this scene allows for a productive ambiguity in how he is perceived by outsiders. All the revelations about him get dwarfed by the question of who Rick Ross might be when he steps away from the microphone.

Asked how he'd explain to his children the more insidious of the ex-girlfriend videos 50 Cent has disseminated, Mr. Ross was philosophical: "I'd say she was an actress for a day. I love actresses." In other words, an acknowledgment that sometimes it's acceptable to just be playing a role.

NY Times....

I don't give a damn how good they say this album is...I ain't never bumpin' this !@@%.

It's open season for _'s to get on wax and just lie they *+* off?

Like, it's all good now for _'s to pump that coke/gangsta image now even though it's total fabrication?

What kinda real life CB4/Fear of a Black Hat type !@@% is this?

I can just picture this N saying that. What a joke. And the wholedescription of him going to Colombia to shoot the video in front of Escobar's crib is hilarious. I can't rock with this dude in any way.

 

[dapper d]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Cats been fictitious on albums for a long time. No reason to deprive ya self of some good tracks.

Plus he toned down the Clipse raps on this disc. Its more liad back player s_ and introspection that tall tales about Noriega...the real Noriega.

QFT...
So I finally bought the album and listened to it and this %#+% is CRAZY....
How can a fan of Hip Hop not #*$@ with this album?...
The only tracks i'm not feeling is the joints wit the big R&b cats the Dream, neyo, and Robin thicke...and that horrible horrible song wit Trina...
Everything else though

...

 

[ethanlee29]

the end

 

[rocyaice]

Originally Posted by ILL LEGAL OPERATION

Beyond Authenticity: A Rapper Restages


By JON CARAMANICA

Published: April 22, 2009

It's hard to say when, exactly, 50 Cent crossed the line in his feud with the Miami rapper Rick Ross. The more apt question might be: How many lines are there? He tracked down the mother of a Ross associate, DJ Khaled, at work, filming her sleeping on the job. He taped himself taking the mother of one of Mr. Ross's children to buy a fur coat. He acquired and posted to the Internet a pornographic video starring another of Mr. Ross's ex-girlfriends.

After the hip-hop world learned he had once studied to be a corrections officer, Rick Ross might have had some credibility issues. Instead, he has delivered his best album to date.

After much upheaval, Rick Ross has emerged from the fray relatively unscathed and with a strong new album, "Deeper Than Rap." "I see no reason to run to the dark," he said in a recent interview.
http://
Rick Ross must have seemed an especially easy mark - it had already been a tough few months for his fourth wall. Before he was Rick Ross, the drug boss M.C., he had been William Leonard Roberts, and last summer a photograph surfaced of him from the mid-1990s, graduating from a corrections officer academy. He denied its authenticity - until The Smoking Gun got hold of his Florida Corrections Department personnel file, which included a certificate for perfect attendance.

The facts of Mr. Roberts's life were getting in the way of Mr. Ross's career.

To all this upheaval, Rick Ross - who, while he has been popular, has never quite been great - has replied, improbably, with art. "I see no reason to run to the dark," he said in a recent interview in the Manhattan offices of his label, Def Jam. His songs aimed at 50 Cent have, hands down, been sharper and wittier than those of his rival. And the just-released "Deeper Than Rap" (Maybach Music/Slip N' Slide/Def Jam), his third album, is unexpectedly fantastic, by far his best.

If albums were all that mattered, that would be that. But Mr. Ross's persistence and the fact that though over the last nine months he's been all but stripped bare, he's emerged from the fray relatively unscathed, which indicates something much more noteworthy. Impenetrability of image, that old signal of hip-hop authenticity, somehow no longer seems to count.

And what a relief that is. Like all great pop music, rap is theater, and Rick Ross, now 33, is one of its most ambitious characters. He arrived fully formed in the summer of 2006: the busting-out gut, the outsize presence, the scratchy voice, the always-there sunglasses. At worst he was a Young Jeezy clone, spewing empty drug talk in comically repetitive fashion. At best he was an utterly believable and improbably charming exponent of the cocaine-rap making the rounds at the time. Clipse may have done it with more technical precision, and Jeezy with more magnetism, but Mr. Ross sounded in charge, his voice a gravelly threat.

"Deeper Than Rap" is just as certain as his first two studio albums, "Port of Miami" and "Trilla," but reflects the view from the top, not the bottom. Now, instead of climbing up to success, he's achieved it. Produced largely by J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League and the Inkredibles, this album is lush, erotic, entitled, a stunning leisure-class document of easy wealth and carefree sex. It's a throwback to a time of sonic and attitudinal ambition in hip-hop - the Bad Boy era of the mid- to late '90s, with its warm soul samples connoting the new hip-hop luxury comes to mind. Few rap albums have sounded this assured, this sumptuous, in years.

Also, unlike before, Mr. Ross can now rap, impressively: either he's been studying or is having his hand held. It's the only thing at odds with this album's casual ethic; rapping well need not be a priority, but Mr. Ross seems to take his newfound affinity for polysyllabic rhyme schemes as a point of pride.

On "Usual Suspects" he raps:

"Seventeen, trying to man up

Feed the fam, boy, I put that on these canned goods

All I got was diabetes and a damn hug

People talking down, calling me a damn scrub.

What's also notable about "Deeper Than Rap" is what's not there. 50 Cent is a target on at least three songs, but Mr. Ross doesn't belabor the battle nor does he touch on the aspects of his personal life that have lately haunted him.

In an age of routine tabloid invasions and the microrevelation as celebrity news, it's become commonplace to expect access to all aspects of the lives of the famous. But in the hip-hop world, the stories behind the stories can be too grave to tell.

"Right now as we speak, I got two of my best friends that's on the run from two separate cocaine conspiracy indictments," Mr. Ross said. "This is a reality that I can't glorify. The relationship I have with these people is deeper than rap.

"When I say something like 'deeper than rap,' that's possibly death involved. That's possibly prison time involved."

The idea of "deeper than rap" has become a hip-hop touchstone of late. When the rapper Crooked I was shot, or not, earlier this year - he wouldn't confirm or deny reports - he demurred from discussing the situation, saying, "It's deeper than rap."

Last month, on the MTV show "T. I.'s Road to Redemption," that rapper calmly detailed the criminal activities that led to his arrest in 2007 on weapons charges. Coming from T. I. himself, it was shocking, an alternative history of his career that had nothing at all to do with music. (He is scheduled to begin serving his year-and-a-day sentence next month.)

Though his life beyond rap has been used against him, Mr. Ross still teases about an unknowable dark side. On the new album he name-drops Harry O, a Los Angeles drug dealer (who claimed to have provided the seed money for Death Row Records), and Big Ike, a Miami street kingpin.

Mr. Ross took his name from Freeway Rick Ross, a Los Angeles drug lord, and was mentored by Kenneth Williams, known as Boobie and now serving a life sentence. On "Gunplay," from the new album, Mr. Ross raps "Boobie Boy still/ Boobie Boys real/ You can name a lot of lames that the Boobie Boys killed."

Perhaps he's overcompensating. Mr. Ross's outing as a former corrections officer was the most spectacular and public implosion of a rapper's self-styled tough-guy image - the hip-hop blog NahRight.com gleefully refers to him as Officer Rawse - since The Dallas Morning News picked apart the looser sections of Vanilla Ice's biography during his rise to fame in 1990.

But Vanilla Ice's songs weren't filled with homage to the drug trade and its leading lights. And no one expected unvarnished truth from him. Mr. Ross must submit to a different standard.

Or at least he still acts as if he must. Of his stint on the side of the law, Mr. Ross said, "The truth is more sinister than the obvious," suggesting an undisclosed layer to his time there.

Miami, he said, is a city where young go-getters "sell dope, buy Lamborghinis and get buried in them." This month he filmed a video for "All I Really Want," a collaboration with The-Dream, in Medellín, Colombia. In footage from the trip, available on YouTube, he stands outside the house where Pablo Escobar was killed, sunglasses off, soaking in history.

Whether it's a validation of Mr. Ross's extramusical credibility or an elaborately staged pose might not matter: creating this scene allows for a productive ambiguity in how he is perceived by outsiders. All the revelations about him get dwarfed by the question of who Rick Ross might be when he steps away from the microphone.

Asked how he'd explain to his children the more insidious of the ex-girlfriend videos 50 Cent has disseminated, Mr. Ross was philosophical: "I'd say she was an actress for a day. I love actresses." In other words, an acknowledgment that sometimes it's acceptable to just be playing a role.

NY Times....

I don't give a damn how good they say this album is...I ain't never bumpin' this !@@%.

It's open season for _'s to get on wax and just lie they *+* off?

Like, it's all good now for _'s to pump that coke/gangsta image now even though it's total fabrication?

What kinda real life CB4/Fear of a Black Hat type !@@% is this?


It ain't just something happening now. Look at Cube, Dre and Eazy E. This #$* been going down since the whole Gangsta Rap era. I don't knock cats whowon't F with Ross because he's not what he portray's. But the same way we can respect ya'll opinion respect mines when I say I JUST DON'tcare. Only cats that should be pissed are the dudes who actually lived or live by what Ross raps about. I don't sell white so i'm not offended and justtake this #$* as entertainment.

 

[rocyaice]

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Cats been fictitious on albums for a long time. No reason to deprive ya self of some good tracks.

Plus he toned down the Clipse raps on this disc. Its more liad back player s_ and introspection that tall tales about Noriega...the real Noriega.

QFT...
So I finally bought the album and listened to it and this %#+% is CRAZY....
How can a fan of Hip Hop not #*$@ with this album?...
The only tracks i'm not feeling is the joints wit the big R&b cats the Dream, neyo, and Robin thicke...and that horrible horrible song wit Trina...
Everything else though

...

These lames are mad because he "lied" lol. Everything would've been okay had he just not lied. Give me a break. They don't even know why theydon't like Ross. Just because Curtis told them not to.

 

[ill legal operation]

Originally Posted by rocyaice

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Cats been fictitious on albums for a long time. No reason to deprive ya self of some good tracks.

Plus he toned down the Clipse raps on this disc. Its more liad back player s_ and introspection that tall tales about Noriega...the real Noriega.

QFT...
So I finally bought the album and listened to it and this %#+% is CRAZY....
How can a fan of Hip Hop not #*$@ with this album?...
The only tracks i'm not feeling is the joints wit the big R&b cats the Dream, neyo, and Robin thicke...and that horrible horrible song wit Trina...
Everything else though

...

These lames are mad because he "lied" lol. Everything would've been okay had he just not lied. Give me a break. They don't even know why they don't like Ross. Just because Curtis told them not to.

What?

Curtis [Snoop from The Wire] ain't got +*!% to dew wit it [/Snoop from The Wire].

My dude Haze let's be honest, in hip hop there has always been exaggeration, but total and complete fiction? Nah.

Big, Jay, Nas...them _'s definetly exagerated about what they did, but you can't say they spit that Big Willie +*!% as an ex-CO. Not only can you notsay that, think about what would have happened if they did.

Pac shot two cops, took 5 himself, and went to jail at the height of his career. Murder was literally the case they gave Calvin. Eric Wright used to have thatwork. O'shea was smart as +*!% and rapped more than he banged (if he ever did), but he used his gangsta persona to make intelligent gangsta music (like the_ really had all the older _'s on my block goin to get STD tested). Compare Cube's lyrical tenacity when he was wreckin' with the Bomb Squad towhat the +!@% Ross is doin' now. There has never been a time when a _ been spittin' bout gangsta +*!%, to gangsta _'s, uppin' that gangstalifestyle has ever gotten away with 100% lying on camera, radio, and records.

These are not good tracks. These are lies on record shoved in your mouth by Def Jam. _'s wanted to say Cam set Black people back 100 years on 60 Minutes,but you see Killa was clearly telling the truth - the labels pump bull +*!% to the public. When would Nas ever spit with a fabricated _ like Ross? Whenhe's signed to Def Jam and has no choice, that's when.

How can I be a fan of hip hop and not like Ross' album?

Are you #*%*@@' kiddin' me?!?!?!?!?

Because I remember this on regular rotation back in high school:



This whole video was about Ross-type _'s, and now Universal forces them to back Ross up.

The game's *+%#** up.

 

[rocyaice]

So let me understand this correctly. Its okay to lie just not a lot? Just lie a lil' bit. You see how foolish you dudes sound? I understand what you'resaying but I can't respect it because you're not being consistent. You can't sit here on one hand and say i'll never co-sign no fraud like Rossand then turn around and make excuses for a guy like Ice Cube. Your opinion isn't consistent. You're basically saying its okay to lie but not a lot. Alie is a lie bruh. An exaggeration is a lie. BIG's mom herself said BIG wasn't the *@@ he rapped about. His own mom. Its like you dudes would ratherRoss have really sold white than lie about it. You don't see how F'd up that is? I for one don't care. The music is hot. Deeper Than Rap is ill.The production is crazy. I don't care that Ross was a CO. I don't care that Cube went to private school. I don't care that Dre wore eye liner withthe WCWC. It just doesn't matter to me. Why does it matter to you though?

 

[dapper d]

Originally Posted by rocyaice

So let me understand this correctly. Its okay to lie just not a lot? Just lie a lil' bit. You see how foolish you dudes sound? I understand what you're saying but I can't respect it because you're not being consistent. You can't sit here on one hand and say i'll never co-sign no fraud like Ross and then turn around and make excuses for a guy like Ice Cube. Your opinion isn't consistent. You're basically saying its okay to lie but not a lot. A lie is a lie bruh. An exaggeration is a lie. BIG's mom herself said BIG wasn't the *@@ he rapped about. His own mom. Its like you dudes would rather Ross have really sold white than lie about it. You don't see how F'd up that is? I for one don't care. The music is hot. Deeper Than Rap is ill. The production is crazy. I don't care that Ross was a CO. I don't care that Cube went to private school. I don't care that Dre wore eye liner with the WCWC. It just doesn't matter to me. Why does it matter to you though?

Bravo...Bravo...

 

[send one]

Honestly it aint solely about him lying, but more so his behavior. If anything came out of the whole CO situation is that ross is a *%%#@. How you show a man apic of himself and he dances around the question like by him saying "bawse'" 10 times is going to make me completely forget he never answered it.That tells me he takes rap fans for fools. If he was a co, whatever, more power to him, I could care less, but dont treat me like an idiot and act like thataint you when it's clear that it is.

The NWA comparison don't go with ross. I dont remember anyone showing Cube pics of him in a cap and gown or Dre being asked about that album cover andeither of them denying it. They manned up. And plus what NWA along with 2 live Crew did for rap and music in general will eclipse any of that.

As far as Big's mom, you think she knows everything her son did? Does your mom know everything you've done especially when it comes to crime.Guaranteed his mom knows half of what he did and wont accept the other half because no mom wants to admit they're child could do that........especially ifhe's dead.

Back to ross, I aint gonna front the disc aint bad. The beats are cool and it's got a cool vibe to it but I cant listen to this fool speak for too longbefore smh. I feel that if we let this !%#$ go, it'll open the floodgates for all sorts of lames to say whatever they what. "Yeah, but the musicsounds good".......if O'Riley made a gangsta record and sounded good would y'all support that?

 

[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by rocyaice

So let me understand this correctly. Its okay to lie just not a lot? Just lie a lil' bit. You see how foolish you dudes sound? I understand what you're saying but I can't respect it because you're not being consistent. You can't sit here on one hand and say i'll never co-sign no fraud like Ross and then turn around and make excuses for a guy like Ice Cube. Your opinion isn't consistent. You're basically saying its okay to lie but not a lot. A lie is a lie bruh. An exaggeration is a lie. BIG's mom herself said BIG wasn't the *@@ he rapped about. His own mom. Its like you dudes would rather Ross have really sold white than lie about it. You don't see how F'd up that is? I for one don't care. The music is hot. Deeper Than Rap is ill. The production is crazy. I don't care that Ross was a CO. I don't care that Cube went to private school. I don't care that Dre wore eye liner with the WCWC. It just doesn't matter to me. Why does it matter to you though?

Rap fans have never been the brightest bruh

Music isentertainment stop looking up to these dudes

 

[rocyaice]

I actually see it the opposite. Ross' bragging and boasting is so over the top I myself thought everyone knew he wasn't this kingpin. I mean heod's on it. He knows the real Noreiga, he gotta live on millions a day. Then you see him saying Boss every 2 seconds. I mean its so over the top I sort ofdon't get how anyone can't just take it as entertainment and move on.


O'Reilly making a gangsta rap record would never happen. His goal in life is to make sure rap is no longer a genre of music. So that example doesn'treally fly well. A better example would be I guess Nick Cannon making a gangsta rap cd. If it hit why not? But it wouldn't hit. Ross ain't some CO justliving off what other people do. He clearly has a ear for music. Not bad with the pen either.

And one thing I can't stress enough and others including on this exact page have said this. Dudes been exagerrating from the get go. There's nofloodgates. There are a handful of dudes out there who actually did the #%% they rap about. You got another handful who are currently locked up for rappin'about the #%% they did. But there's no floodgates. And if you the game right now gangsta rap isn't really as dominant as it once was. The coke rap isgetting played out it seems. You got dudes like Drake getting buzz now. Dudes like Kid Cudi. Kanye completely changing the game. Wayne doing rock albums. AsherRoth is out there. Chamillionaire dropping edited albums.

You dudes are just making excuses for these older cats who are doing the same #%% Ross is doing. Its like its okay to lie just as long as you had an impact onhip hop? Once again, your arguments for why ya'll don't like Ross aren't consistent. If you can't F with Ross you can't sit here andcommend another cat for doing the same #%% Ross is doing.

 

[rocyaice]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by rocyaice

So let me understand this correctly. Its okay to lie just not a lot? Just lie a lil' bit. You see how foolish you dudes sound? I understand what you're saying but I can't respect it because you're not being consistent. You can't sit here on one hand and say i'll never co-sign no fraud like Ross and then turn around and make excuses for a guy like Ice Cube. Your opinion isn't consistent. You're basically saying its okay to lie but not a lot. A lie is a lie bruh. An exaggeration is a lie. BIG's mom herself said BIG wasn't the *@@ he rapped about. His own mom. Its like you dudes would rather Ross have really sold white than lie about it. You don't see how F'd up that is? I for one don't care. The music is hot. Deeper Than Rap is ill. The production is crazy. I don't care that Ross was a CO. I don't care that Cube went to private school. I don't care that Dre wore eye liner with the WCWC. It just doesn't matter to me. Why does it matter to you though?

Rap fans have never been the brightest bruh

Music is entertainment stop looking up to these dudes

Sadly I agree. We gotta stop looking up to these cats. I grew out of that back when I was 13 or 14. Maybe later. But I definately now don't look up to norapper. If I had my way I'd take it the way it was in the 90's when we didn't know ++% about the rapper's personal life. But due to theinternet and blogs we've become too attached with the rapper.

 

[b smooth 202]

if O'Riley made a gangsta record and sounded good would y'all support that?

what are you talkin about?

 

[lifelessons]

i'm feeling Ross album but the dude is a joke and he really thinks he's a boss.....sorta like the dude on ATL telling nu nu "you really thinkyou're ghetto"

....look at the special on BET.....Tigger had a pic of his other baby moms and Ross wouldnt answer the question....and his excusewas that it came from 50's website so he can't answer it

....how lame is that?

then take a look at the video on WSHH from back in 2006 when he was still talking reckless....i remember seeing it back then and letting it slide because ithought he was pulling that new artist bs but he's still doing the same stuff so it makes him look even faker

 

[i drink your milkshake]

Originally Posted by rocyaice

So let me understand this correctly. Its okay to lie just not a lot? Just lie a lil' bit. You see how foolish you dudes sound? I understand what you're saying but I can't respect it because you're not being consistent. You can't sit here on one hand and say i'll never co-sign no fraud like Ross and then turn around and make excuses for a guy like Ice Cube. Your opinion isn't consistent. You're basically saying its okay to lie but not a lot. A lie is a lie bruh. An exaggeration is a lie. BIG's mom herself said BIG wasn't the *@@ he rapped about. His own mom. Its like you dudes would rather Ross have really sold white than lie about it. You don't see how F'd up that is? I for one don't care. The music is hot. Deeper Than Rap is ill. The production is crazy. I don't care that Ross was a CO. I don't care that Cube went to private school. I don't care that Dre wore eye liner with the WCWC. It just doesn't matter to me. Why does it matter to you though?

and THAT'S what's so crazy. Ya'll seen Scarface one too many times.....

 

[thunderchunk69]

Originally Posted by ILL LEGAL OPERATION

Like, it's all good now for _'s to pump that coke/gangsta image now even though it's total fabrication?

agreed, I'm about to drop a mixtape about reselling my way into a mansion full of cokewhores

 

[n3ff 3000]

Lying about selling coke is just as dumb as selling coke IMO. Who the hell WANTS to sell coke to begin with? Most people that do it have to do it to providefor themselves or their families.

 

[thunderchunk69]

Originally Posted by N3FF 3000

Most people that do it have to do it to provide for themselves or their families.

If you're going to sell drugs, coke is where its at.
Coke connects can get you off of cases. weed can't do that for you, Heroin can't do that for you, pills cant do that for you.
with Coke you can get that John Forte pardon.
selling Coke (as long as you're not on the street) doesn't seem so bad (not that I'd consider it). sell in the right town, to the right people andthings seem to solve themselves.
The only one that gets caught with coke are the transporters, or their bosses IF theysnitch.

just from what I've seen.

 

[DYNAMICS]

Who was singing the hook on "Cigar Music" btw?

 

[n3ff 3000]

Originally Posted by ThunderChunk69

Originally Posted by N3FF 3000

Most people that do it have to do it to provide for themselves or their families.

If you're going to sell drugs, coke is where its at.
Coke connects can get you off of cases. weed can't do that for you, Heroin can't do that for you, pills cant do that for you.
with Coke you can get that John Forte pardon.
selling Coke (as long as you're not on the street) doesn't seem so bad (not that I'd consider it). sell in the right town, to the right people and things seem to solve themselves.
The only one that gets caught with coke are the transporters, or their bosses IF they snitch.

just from what I've seen.

I said most, not all. Who the hell aspires to be a coke dealer? Most people are forced into it in a sense, at least IMO.