The College Basketball Post

[woody2626]

Wake Forest is an awful job, small school, 4th biggest program in a state, maybe like the 8th biggest program in the conference. And they think of themselves as basketball school. Why would anyone want to sign up for that?

I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Skip proved he could get major talent and make that program relevent. His death set that program back 10 years, even with Dino's success.

All it takes is the next coach being able to keep Giles from leaving the city, he already works out there with some of their current players and I know he's seriously considering them.

I think Skip could've led the group of Teague, Johnson, Smith, Aminu, Woods to atleast an elite 8 instead of that CSU disaster Dino put forth.

If VT can get Buzz then Wake can get a big name. Just depends on whether they're willing to pay and after Wellman's stunt with Bzdelik he's gonna have to make a homerun hire or his *** is in some serious trouble

 

[qstorm3]

My buddy just said VCU's ad just came out and said he hasn't been contacted by either school. So who knows.

 

[airmaxbuckeye]

Looks like like Kennard is committing tonight...kinda random...prolly Kentucky

Duke

 

[rook]

Coach B is getting killed by the papers and local people. Seems alot of fans want Coach Hopkins to take over.

I love the zone but dude switch it up sometimes. If a team gets hot from 3 you stay in that same zone? Cmon dude. Always hated that. You can basically blame all of his upsets in the tourney on teams getting hot from 3 and killing the zone. Bomani jones said something along the lines of, the fact he never won a ring with Sherm, Rony Seik and Coleman is such a disappointment.

 

[awwsome]

Said it before and I'll say it again, while I love Boeheim as a personality, he's at the point where he's too old and has had too much success to change

 

[mr marcus]

lol @ wake being an awful job......don't lump them w/ the depaul of the college bball world

wake has been consistent besides this bum *** coach they just fired 

 

[worldbeefreeg]

You can win anywhere, they had a great squad that underachieved that year cause Skip passed.

So, best case scenario they get Giles for a year and ? He leaves and they slot in right back where they were before, they will never be with the big boys of the conference. The coach makes the job at the end of the day. But in a state that has Duke/UNC/NC State and a conference with L'ville and Cuse, and now Buzz and Tony plus guys like Laranaga...I'd stay far away from that job. Wake was a great program in the 90's to early 200's but hasn't been **** for a while now and I don't see that changing anytime soon. ACC has evolved and its been left behind.

No suprise with Hollowell leaving, kid is cheeks.

 

[dacomeup]

 Chris Mack emerging as a candidate for that job. He can recruit, but he'd get torched in that league as a coach. He sucks. 

And Ant Lee released a list of OSU, IU, UL, Iowa State and ND. Weird that GTown didn't make it. 

 

[frshstunna]

lol @ wake being an awful job......don't lump them w/ the depaul of the college bball world

wake has been consistent besides this bum *** coach they just fired 

Right...anybody who follows the ACC knows that Wake always got potential cuz they sitting in prime recruiting territory (Carolina/most of the ACC states) ...they get a decent coach and keep a few players home they should be good

 

[seymore cake]

Shaka turned down U of I after they threw everything plus the kitchen sink at him... I would've love for him to go there... He would've cleaned up the state recruiting wise bc a lot of these kids would honestly prefer to stay closer but the programs are subpar :\

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

How good is this Kennard kid? Can he guard anyone?

I see he averaged 40 a game

 

[ricardo malta]

Would love to see Shaka at Wake and try to clean up in the NC/SC/VA area. He could put together some very athletic squads and continue his havoc D with all the leftover NC kids who don't go to Duke, UNC, or State.

Right now the midwest is offering the most talent from a geographical standpoint tho so he'll do well out there.

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Duke/UNC/State/Bennett/Buzz, love to see him with leftover's from that

Why would you want to be a 6th banana as a coach in a conference...Everyone always mentions Mark Few not taking a bigger job but he's been making millions of dollars to win his conference, go to the tournament and have zero job pressure in the pacific northwest where he is from. Why would you leave that?

Shaka is from Wisconsin, went to a small liberal arts college in the Midwest. He is going to be very comfortable there and working at a great program.

 

[ricardo malta]

Duke/UNC/State/Bennett/Buzz, love to see him with leftover's from that

Why would you want to be a 6th banana as a coach in a conference...Everyone always mentions Mark Few not taking a bigger job but he's been making millions of dollars to win his conference, go to the tournament and have zero job pressure in the pacific northwest where he is from. Why would you leave that?

Shaka is from Wisconsin, went to a small liberal arts college in the Midwest. He is going to be very comfortable there and working at a great program.

Guarantee you in state kids are more likely to stay and play for Shaka at Wake then they are for Buzz at V-Tech.

And I'm not so sure you can put the appeal to play for Bennett above Shake either. All 3 are player coaches tho and would be fun to play for either of them.

 

[wildkycat]

didn't Bennett interview for the IU job?

 

[isu 42]

Eron Harris transferring, huge blow to what would be a really good WVU team next year. Everyone should be in on him.

Hollowell leaving IU.

WVU's guards had me scared for next year.  What was behind him leaving?

 

[seymore cake]

Eron Harris transferring, huge blow to what would be a really good WVU team next year. Everyone should be in on him.


Hollowell leaving IU.

WVU's guards had me scared for next year.  What was behind him leaving?

They were TOUGH! :x

 

[Chopper]

Contemplating heading up to NYC for these games next weekend. 

If we can get past Virginia, I like State's chances against ISU/UConn.

 

[bigsmilesmgr]

Would really love to see Shaka take over at Wake.

They should have never fired Dino Gaudio in 2009. Took like ten steps backwards with that one 

 

[アミーゴ]

:x  Chris Mack emerging as a candidate for that job. He can recruit, but he'd get torched in that league as a coach. He sucks.


And Ant Lee released a list of OSU, IU, UL, Iowa State and ND. Weird that GTown didn't make it. 

Told u last night my dude. All my sources didn't say a word about him to Gtown.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Etherington leaving IU too?

That program is hurting.

 

[wildkycat]

here ya go, OKB:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/3/24/5541716/nba-stars-march-madness-jabari-parker-andrew-wiggins

Future NBA stars don't need their college coaches

Another year, another NCAA Tournament where top stars' teams bow out early and their self-serving head coaches try to convince them to delay their professional careers to work for free.

Why would Andrew Wiggins choose to pass up millions of dollars and freedom to work on his game full-time to watch Bill Self screw up another big game with poor schemes?

Why would Tyler Ennis and Jerami Grant choose to listen to a lying, self-serving coach with the most losses to double-digit seeds in NCAA history instead of mock drafts putting them in the first round?

Why would Jabari Parker sign up for another year of being scapegoated by a star system built on guilt, fear and ********?

THE STARS SURE AS HELL DON'T NEED COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

The past four days proved college basketball doesn't need stars to be entertaining. And the stars sure as hell don't need college basketball.

What makes March Madness special isn't necessarily the presence of guys like Wiggins or Parker. Anyone remember Kevin Durant's tournament run? But you do remember the one Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush and Sasha Kaun had. The tournament is about upsets, catching lightning in a bottle and the magic of constant do-or-die situations. How many people dying with every possession as Mercer beat Duke on Friday knew anything about Mercer? We've been following Duke's Parker for years -- NBA fans, college fans and the like -- yet it's Mercer that captivated everyone on Friday, not the phenom wing player.

That speaks to the tournament's power: it doesn't need stars because it can make stars of anyone. It's a brilliant competition. Of the top 14 in DraftExpress' current mock, only three of them -- Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon and Willie Cauley-Stein -- are still in the tournament. And that won't matter one whit to the NCAA, because everyone (myself and loads of NBA partisans included) will be watching Cinderella do her thing.

The NCAA doesn't need the stars, and the stars don't need the NCAA. The tournament can help prospects: Derrick Rose, Mike Conley, Chalmers and Kemba Walker are some of the recent players helped by productive Marches. Carmelo Anthony's title run in 2003 certainly fueled his status as a top-3 pick.

But more often than not, the best NBA players have shrug-worthy or literally nonexistent tournament experiences. The preps-to-pros stars like LeBron, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett and Kobe avoided it altogether. They managed to mature into great NBA players just fine. Durant's college postseason was forgettable. Kyrie Irving came off the bench in one of his three tourney games.

Look at last season's All-NBA team. These are the league's top 15 players. Five (LeBron, Dwight, Kobe, Marc Gasol and Tony Parker) never played a single minute of college basketball. One (Paul George) played college ball, but never made the tournament. Three (James Harden, Kevin Durant and four-year David Lee) played at least one college season without making the Sweet 16. Three (Tim Duncan, Chris Paul and Blake Griffin) played multiple seasons, but didn't advance to the Final Four. One (Dwyane Wade) made a single Final Four; another (Russell Westbrook) made two Final Fours. (He played eight minutes in UCLA's 2007 Final Four loss to Florida. Josh Shipp led the Bruins in scoring. Yeah.) Only one player from last season's All-NBA team, Melo, won an NCAA Tournament.

So, out of the top 15 players in the NBA last season, we have a grand total of one NCAA title, four Final Fours and eight Sweet 16s. Tell me again why we're supposed to be down on Wiggins and Parker? Tell me again how this failure means Tyler Ennis needs to come back for another try?

Tell us again, college sycophants, what the problem is here.

Jerami Grant might leave for the NBA, where he would paid to play basketball. (What a concept!) Older dudes with jobs -- with paychecks -- think this is outrageous. You think Jim Boeheim cares about how the NBA product fares with raw players entering the league? You think Jim Boeheim cares about Grant's second contract? I am skeptical. You know what Jim Boeheim cares about? He spent all of that energy recruiting Ennis and Grant and Donte Greene and Michael Carter-Williams and Fab Melo and Jonny Flynn and Dion Waiters and Kris Joseph ... and they haven't given him what Carmelo Anthony gave him.

And now if Ennis and Grant leave like all of those young, talented and unpaid Orangemen before them left, Boeheim has to do some more 'cruitin and log those miles just to build another set of players he can coach just well enough to get beat out of the tournament. Now he has to teach more 18-year-olds a defensive system that will help them win regular season games and actually hinder their pro prospects, since no one in the NBA knows how to assess the defensive potential of kids stuck in a 2-3 zone full-time.

The worst part is how unbelievably single-minded Boeheim is about this stuff. Winning college basketball games is all that matters. When Boeheim says:

"You gotta have a skillset. They don't work with you up there. You're either ready to play up there or you're not. You go up there and you can't shoot, you're not playing. You up there and you're not strong enough, you're not playing. People forget how good the players are in the NBA.

"Kemba Walker, he's about what, the 20th best point guard in the NBA? If he'd have played here for us yesterday, he'd have had 40 points. That's what he would've had and everybody would've said, ‘Jeez, he's pretty good.'"
... he's ignoring that if Kemba Walker played for Syracuse this weekend, he'd be getting paid nothing, whereas Kemba Walker The 20th Best Point Guard In The NBA is making $2.5 million this season. Ennis and Grant can listen to Boeheim and come back to play for room and board and make Boeheim's job easier, or they can get paid to do their own jobs. Tough choice, right?

Of course, a lot of draft prospects fizzle out in the NBA. As Boeheim says, the league is really competitive. The best college player in 2011 has done well for himself in the pros, and he's right around the 20th best player at his position. So if you are in a spot where you can guarantee yourself at least two years of NBA salary, shouldn't you take it? If Ennis is slotted at No. 15 in the mocks when decision time arrives, knowing how deep and talented the NBA is, wouldn't it be smart to position himself to take that $4 million guaranteed and believe in his own ability to work hard, develop and get those third and fourth years guaranteed, to get that second contract?

Many players benefit from college experience. Damian Lillard never made an NCAA tournament, but his small conference seasoning helped him come into the league a fuller player. But Lillard never really had an opportunity to guarantee himself millions by entering the NBA early. College worked for him. It allowed him to develop and display his game to the point where an NBA team felt comfortable using a high pick on him. College worked for Jimmer Fredette, too. (Did it work for the team that drafted him No. 10 overall? Nope.) It worked for Doug McDermott, who will be a high pick despite Creighton's Sunday loss. It's worked for scores of current NBA players.

But it didn't really do anything for Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker, who would have gone Nos. 1 and 2 last year if the age minimum didn't exist. It didn't do anything for Marcus Smart, who passed up being the likely No. 2 pick a year ago, only to get suspended for pushing a heckler and got booted out of tournament early. It doesn't look like an extra year with Ol' Roy Williams did much for Harrison Barnes, who amazingly looks less polished than Andre Drummond right now. Kyrie sure doesn't seem to have needed much Coach K.

So what we're left with is a landscape in which John Calipari, the guy who has embraced and exploited the one-and-done culture, is the last man standing. Coach K's program? Done. Bill Self's program? Done. Roy's team? Done. Cal survived them all this season, a year in which his critics basked in Kentucky's misfortune and had the audacity to suggest his one-and-done, pump-and-dump system had failed. Ha.

Those other coaches -- the Boeheims of college ball -- believed their own ********, that the stars needed them. Wrong. The stars needed a year to camp out before entering the draft, and the Boeheims and Krzyzewskis and Selfs and Roys all beg for the privilege of being the host. Only Calipari acknowledges the power of the relationship lies with the players. That he moves on to next weekend while the others stay home is some sort of righteous cosmic justice.

When Kentucky's done, Cal will tell Julius Randle and Willie Cauley-Stein to go get that paper. And that's why Cal will grab the next Randle, the next Anthony Davis, the next John Wall, the next Derrick Rose. If Self, K and Boeheim want to be honest with their own stars and tell them they are ready to go get paid, maybe Calipari wouldn't have such a strong hold on the preps-to-pros pipeline.

But that would require the big-name college coaches to put their own fates to the side for a minute. Fat chance of that happening.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Preaching to the choir.

That's why I respect Cal, he isn't full of **** like 90% of college coaches.

 

[al3xis]

Lee did visit Geoegetown this weekend which made it odd they didn't make his list.

 

[アミーゴ]

Lee did visit Geoegetown this weekend which made it odd they didn't make his list.

I heard this past week he wouldn't have them on there. More surprised by the visit.