The College Basketball Post

[wildkycat]

do the right thing, Luke.

from everything I've seen and read, really like that dude. now i'ma have to hate him.

 

[User 15002]

If Wiggins had gone to FSU his season wouldn't be over yet.

 

[outkast9984]

Read hood is 99% gone...Nothing on bari yet

 

[tvobach]

 

Solid read.

But I have a very hard time believing that K, Boeheim, and Self try to get their kids to come back for their own benefit.

I know for a fact that Self pushed McLemore out the door last season when Ben wanted to come back....

 

[outkast9984]

Kennard to duke...all I know dude gets buckets

 

[wildkycat]

he sucks. overrated.

 

[jsindaa]

Dope read. I will continue to say though that you can't use the Lebrons, Kobes, Durants, etc. of the world as a measuring stick. Yes they are successful and college does nothing for them but they're also the best players in the world and some of the best EVER. You HAVE to use the average nba player, and to say those players won't benefit from a year or so more isn't really true. As far as them being denied a chance to make money, that isn't the concern of the nba. It's a business. I will say that the nba really needs to use the d league more effectively. The system needs a fix, I really think all this opposition is solely because we were used to the way it used to be. If you think about it long term there are some great benefits.

 

[outkast9984]

he sucks. overrated.

Didnt you want him several posts ago lol

 

[addict4sneakers]

Preaching to the choir.

That's why I respect Cal, he isn't full of **** like 90% of college coaches.

I heard a story when Cal made Derrick rose leave Memphis. He tore up his scholarship in front of his face.

 

[tvobach]

Preaching to the choir.

That's why I respect Cal, he isn't full of **** like 90% of college coaches.

Cal is full of it.

Listen to SEC Coach's Conf Calls and you'll hear why.

Also...last week he said "I don't watch college basketball during the season, I worry about my team..." two questions later..."Did you guys see that game last night...?" 

 

 

[wildkycat]

if you hang on every word that every coach says, well yeah, they're all full of it. Cal loves hyperbole, but in general, he "gets it."

and yes, I was joking about Kennard dude... though he isn't a real need for 2015, doesn't hurt too much. but dude is a UK fan.

 

[アミーゴ]

Cal was awesome after the game last night.

THIS WAS AN ELITE 8 GAME, WE SHOULD BE GOING TO THE FINAL 4.

 

[seymore cake]

he sucks. overrated.

Didnt you want him several posts ago lol

He probably is though. :\

 

[mr marcus]

Kentucky/Wichita was def my fav game from this weekend ......energy was live 

 

[wildkycat]

Cal was awesome after the game last night.

THIS WAS AN ELITE 8 GAME, WE SHOULD BE GOING TO THE FINAL 4.

exactly my point. there are people that take that type of **** literally.

 

[アミーゴ]

exactly my point. there are people that take that type of **** literally.

I love that type of stuff. He's comedy to me.

Would love to play for him.

 

[wildkycat]

he sucks. overrated.

Didnt you want him several posts ago lol

He probably is though. :\

Jon Hood 2.0

 

[rook]

here ya go, OKB:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/3/24/5541716/nba-stars-march-madness-jabari-parker-andrew-wiggins

Future NBA stars don't need their college coaches

Another year, another NCAA Tournament where top stars' teams bow out early and their self-serving head coaches try to convince them to delay their professional careers to work for free.

Why would Andrew Wiggins choose to pass up millions of dollars and freedom to work on his game full-time to watch Bill Self screw up another big game with poor schemes?

Why would Tyler Ennis and Jerami Grant choose to listen to a lying, self-serving coach with the most losses to double-digit seeds in NCAA history instead of mock drafts putting them in the first round?

Why would Jabari Parker sign up for another year of being scapegoated by a star system built on guilt, fear and ********?

THE STARS SURE AS HELL DON'T NEED COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

The past four days proved college basketball doesn't need stars to be entertaining. And the stars sure as hell don't need college basketball.

What makes March Madness special isn't necessarily the presence of guys like Wiggins or Parker. Anyone remember Kevin Durant's tournament run? But you do remember the one Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush and Sasha Kaun had. The tournament is about upsets, catching lightning in a bottle and the magic of constant do-or-die situations. How many people dying with every possession as Mercer beat Duke on Friday knew anything about Mercer? We've been following Duke's Parker for years -- NBA fans, college fans and the like -- yet it's Mercer that captivated everyone on Friday, not the phenom wing player.

That speaks to the tournament's power: it doesn't need stars because it can make stars of anyone. It's a brilliant competition. Of the top 14 in DraftExpress' current mock, only three of them -- Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon and Willie Cauley-Stein -- are still in the tournament. And that won't matter one whit to the NCAA, because everyone (myself and loads of NBA partisans included) will be watching Cinderella do her thing.

The NCAA doesn't need the stars, and the stars don't need the NCAA. The tournament can help prospects: Derrick Rose, Mike Conley, Chalmers and Kemba Walker are some of the recent players helped by productive Marches. Carmelo Anthony's title run in 2003 certainly fueled his status as a top-3 pick.

But more often than not, the best NBA players have shrug-worthy or literally nonexistent tournament experiences. The preps-to-pros stars like LeBron, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett and Kobe avoided it altogether. They managed to mature into great NBA players just fine. Durant's college postseason was forgettable. Kyrie Irving came off the bench in one of his three tourney games.

Look at last season's All-NBA team. These are the league's top 15 players. Five (LeBron, Dwight, Kobe, Marc Gasol and Tony Parker) never played a single minute of college basketball. One (Paul George) played college ball, but never made the tournament. Three (James Harden, Kevin Durant and four-year David Lee) played at least one college season without making the Sweet 16. Three (Tim Duncan, Chris Paul and Blake Griffin) played multiple seasons, but didn't advance to the Final Four. One (Dwyane Wade) made a single Final Four; another (Russell Westbrook) made two Final Fours. (He played eight minutes in UCLA's 2007 Final Four loss to Florida. Josh Shipp led the Bruins in scoring. Yeah.) Only one player from last season's All-NBA team, Melo, won an NCAA Tournament.

So, out of the top 15 players in the NBA last season, we have a grand total of one NCAA title, four Final Fours and eight Sweet 16s. Tell me again why we're supposed to be down on Wiggins and Parker? Tell me again how this failure means Tyler Ennis needs to come back for another try?

Tell us again, college sycophants, what the problem is here.

Jerami Grant might leave for the NBA, where he would paid to play basketball. (What a concept!) Older dudes with jobs -- with paychecks -- think this is outrageous. You think Jim Boeheim cares about how the NBA product fares with raw players entering the league? You think Jim Boeheim cares about Grant's second contract? I am skeptical. You know what Jim Boeheim cares about? He spent all of that energy recruiting Ennis and Grant and Donte Greene and Michael Carter-Williams and Fab Melo and Jonny Flynn and Dion Waiters and Kris Joseph ... and they haven't given him what Carmelo Anthony gave him.

And now if Ennis and Grant leave like all of those young, talented and unpaid Orangemen before them left, Boeheim has to do some more 'cruitin and log those miles just to build another set of players he can coach just well enough to get beat out of the tournament. Now he has to teach more 18-year-olds a defensive system that will help them win regular season games and actually hinder their pro prospects, since no one in the NBA knows how to assess the defensive potential of kids stuck in a 2-3 zone full-time.

The worst part is how unbelievably single-minded Boeheim is about this stuff. Winning college basketball games is all that matters. When Boeheim says:

"You gotta have a skillset. They don't work with you up there. You're either ready to play up there or you're not. You go up there and you can't shoot, you're not playing. You up there and you're not strong enough, you're not playing. People forget how good the players are in the NBA.

"Kemba Walker, he's about what, the 20th best point guard in the NBA? If he'd have played here for us yesterday, he'd have had 40 points. That's what he would've had and everybody would've said, ‘Jeez, he's pretty good.'"
... he's ignoring that if Kemba Walker played for Syracuse this weekend, he'd be getting paid nothing, whereas Kemba Walker The 20th Best Point Guard In The NBA is making $2.5 million this season. Ennis and Grant can listen to Boeheim and come back to play for room and board and make Boeheim's job easier, or they can get paid to do their own jobs. Tough choice, right?

Of course, a lot of draft prospects fizzle out in the NBA. As Boeheim says, the league is really competitive. The best college player in 2011 has done well for himself in the pros, and he's right around the 20th best player at his position. So if you are in a spot where you can guarantee yourself at least two years of NBA salary, shouldn't you take it? If Ennis is slotted at No. 15 in the mocks when decision time arrives, knowing how deep and talented the NBA is, wouldn't it be smart to position himself to take that $4 million guaranteed and believe in his own ability to work hard, develop and get those third and fourth years guaranteed, to get that second contract?

Many players benefit from college experience. Damian Lillard never made an NCAA tournament, but his small conference seasoning helped him come into the league a fuller player. But Lillard never really had an opportunity to guarantee himself millions by entering the NBA early. College worked for him. It allowed him to develop and display his game to the point where an NBA team felt comfortable using a high pick on him. College worked for Jimmer Fredette, too. (Did it work for the team that drafted him No. 10 overall? Nope.) It worked for Doug McDermott, who will be a high pick despite Creighton's Sunday loss. It's worked for scores of current NBA players.

But it didn't really do anything for Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker, who would have gone Nos. 1 and 2 last year if the age minimum didn't exist. It didn't do anything for Marcus Smart, who passed up being the likely No. 2 pick a year ago, only to get suspended for pushing a heckler and got booted out of tournament early. It doesn't look like an extra year with Ol' Roy Williams did much for Harrison Barnes, who amazingly looks less polished than Andre Drummond right now. Kyrie sure doesn't seem to have needed much Coach K.

So what we're left with is a landscape in which John Calipari, the guy who has embraced and exploited the one-and-done culture, is the last man standing. Coach K's program? Done. Bill Self's program? Done. Roy's team? Done. Cal survived them all this season, a year in which his critics basked in Kentucky's misfortune and had the audacity to suggest his one-and-done, pump-and-dump system had failed. Ha.

Those other coaches -- the Boeheims of college ball -- believed their own ********, that the stars needed them. Wrong. The stars needed a year to camp out before entering the draft, and the Boeheims and Krzyzewskis and Selfs and Roys all beg for the privilege of being the host. Only Calipari acknowledges the power of the relationship lies with the players. That he moves on to next weekend while the others stay home is some sort of righteous cosmic justice.

When Kentucky's done, Cal will tell Julius Randle and Willie Cauley-Stein to go get that paper. And that's why Cal will grab the next Randle, the next Anthony Davis, the next John Wall, the next Derrick Rose. If Self, K and Boeheim want to be honest with their own stars and tell them they are ready to go get paid, maybe Calipari wouldn't have such a strong hold on the preps-to-pros pipeline.

But that would require the big-name college coaches to put their own fates to the side for a minute. Fat chance of that happening.

Great read.

 

[bigmike23]

 

Preaching to the choir.

That's why I respect Cal, he isn't full of **** like 90% of college coaches.

I heard a story when Cal made Derrick rose leave Memphis. He tore up his scholarship in front of his face.

ya because the NCAA would have caught both of them if rose stayed

 

[osh kosh bosh]

When Cal is full of **** its for entertainment purposes.

 

[pauliepeppas]

Solid read.

But I have a very hard time believing that K, Boeheim, and Self try to get their kids to come back for their own benefit.

I know for a fact that Self pushed McLemore out the door last season when Ben wanted to come back....

Yup, literally every player in recent memory from Cuse who was a first round guy left early with Boeheims blessing except for Greene. And he admitted he shouldve listened to Jimmy. Coach K Self etc are a lot more honest and respected by kids then this author will ever know. These kids talk to each other, if theres scummy and dishonest stuff going on you think these coaches would keep getting top recruits on a yearly basis ? I like Calipari but this article praiing him as some sort of hero above the other coaches is comical.

 

[tvobach]

Yup, literally every player in recent memory from Cuse who was a first round guy left early with Boeheims blessing except for Greene. And he admitted he shouldve listened to Jimmy. Coach K Self etc are a lot more honest and respected by kids then this author will ever know. These kids talk to each other, if theres scummy and dishonest stuff going on you think these coaches would keep getting top recruits on a yearly basis ? I like Calipari but this article praiing him as some sort of hero above the other coaches is comical.

Agree 100%.

I'd be willing to bet Self pushes Embiid out the door unless he REALLY wants to stay...(which I've heard from some people he does)

 

[wildkycat]

UK vs. UCLA next year in Chicago as part of a doubleheader. not sure of the other game.

 

[victor page]

I like Johnny O Bryant's game

 

[outkast9984]

Jon Hood 2.0

God I hope not lol...I expected Kentucky to get him...was weird timing to commit...figured that Kentucky win was going to get him