****The Everything LaVar Ball Thread****

[doublemesh96]

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How much do you think the socks are?

 

[youngthundercat]

 

Lonzo will be the next C.J. McCollum at best..


 

these dudes game have nothing in common...bad comparison. 

mcw with a shot?

slow day here at the office, everyone gone already

Hell nah

 

[the qbz]

For what its worth.... He is an active father in the boys life

This is well calculated

Ball could blow up in the league considering most top talent is going to downtrend in the next 2 to 5 years

 

[stillin729]

Nicekicks saying only 263 pairs actually sold

 

[ahat]

He's just two spaces after periods away from having more people read his posts. ****, even just one.

 

[wallyhopp]

Nicekicks saying only 263 pairs actually sold

On a good day, lets say they are walking away with $300 profit on each pair. That is still under $100,000, and vastly under any NIKE/UA/ADIDAS deal.

This is crazy. Papa Ball legitimately messing with millions of dollars. Lonzo easily couldve taken the easy money, and just be set for life.. Leave Papa Ball to do his own snake oil crap on his own dime. No nba player is guaranteed years in the league. Just that first 3 year contract.

Papa has everyone believing the whole family will leave a legacy in the NBA.. It's nice to be a dreamer. But take that money, and shut your mouth for once

 

[bigj505]

BBB gotta get an official domain email.

Shouldn't be using a gmail account. Gotta get that professional appeal.

 

[cards93]

These shoes are going to be some obscure collectible item with an obscene price in like 50 plus years. like the ******* action figures always worth the most, its not the batman its the obscure character where only 5 were made

the shoes really arent that bad looking, but the price is ridiculous and who knows what the quality is like. I think they need to drop the 'brand' in the brand name, seems like overkill to me.

 

[ninjahood]

pops really made them turn down a 10 million dollar deal? [emoji]128530[/emoji][emoji]128078[/emoji]

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Nicekicks saying only 263 pairs actually sold

On a good day, lets say they are walking away with $300 profit on each pair. That is still under $100,000, and vastly under any NIKE/UA/ADIDAS deal.

This is crazy. Papa Ball legitimately messing with millions of dollars. Lonzo easily couldve taken the easy money, and just be set for life.. Leave Papa Ball to do his own snake oil crap on his own dime. No nba player is guaranteed years in the league. Just that first 3 year contract.

Papa has everyone believing the whole family will leave a legacy in the NBA.. It's nice to be a dreamer. But take that money, and shut your mouth for once

He's set for life either way.

And endorsement deals aren't guaranteed either so if Lonzo busts he ain't getting all of whatever deal he signs.

 

[stillin729]

if Lonzo signed a $10 million dollar contract with Adidas, he is getting it all unless he is out of the NBA

that is more money than he would make off BBB if he busts

 

[ninjahood]

Lonzo Ball, who is expected to be a top-three pick in the N.B.A. draft, went up for a shot when U.C.L.A. played Cincinnati in March in the N.C.A.A. tournament.
JAMIE SQUIRE/GETTY IMAGES
By MARC TRACY
May 5, 2017
At the Flight Club sneaker store just south of Union Square on Thursday night, eager customers perused the gleaming shelves, hunting for classic kicks. The big names — the players whose signature shoes are most highly sought — are the ones you would expect: Kevin Durant, LeBron James and, even after all these years, Michael Jordan.

At the time, the larger world was trying to wrap its head around the ZO2, Lonzo Ball’s first signature shoe, which he had hours earlier announced in a video released to Slam magazine.

Ball, the former U.C.L.A. point guard who is expected to be a top-three pick in June’s N.B.A. draft, had declined contracts with the big sneaker companies: Nike, Under Armour and Adidas. Instead, he placed his chips on Big Baller Brand, the company founded by his father, LaVar Ball, for the frank purpose of maintaining control over the merchandise revenue generated by his three sons, Lonzo, 19; LiAngelo, 18, a U.C.L.A. commit; and LaMelo, 15, who scored 92 points in a high school game last season.

LaVar Ball’s opening bid to shoe companies some weeks ago was a marketing deal with all three sons worth $1 billion. The companies reportedly declined. Last month, a Nike executive called LaVar Ball “the worst thing to happen to basketball in the last 100 years.” Translation: Nike doesn’t like when someone rejects the business model that has enabled the company to dominate the multibillion-dollar sneaker and apparel industry.

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Then, on Thursday, came Big Baller Brand’s ZO2, the least expensive version of which costs $495. Yes, four hundred ninety-five dollars. For comparison’s sake, the most recent signature shoe of James, basketball’s biggest star and best player, began retailing last year at $175; it carries the Nike swoosh.

While the shoe and the Ball family buzzed all over social media on Thursday, the sneaker intelligentsia were lined up in Flight Club’s consignment area. These are the people who camp out on street corners to get first crack at new releases and then sell them to Flight Club for a cut of the subsequent resale. The leading edge of sneaker cool, they help decide which shoes will be on the shelves of Flight Club and stores like it 10 and 25 years from now. And they had reached a verdict on the ZO2: No thanks.


The ZO2: Prime by Lonzo Ball made its debut on the Big Baller Brand website on Thursday.
BIG BALLER BRAND
“I wouldn’t buy those,” said T.Q. Jones, who wore Nike Prestos as he waited in the consignment line.

Haitham Khan — who was rocking a Comme des Garçons hoodie, a Supreme bag and blush-colored Common Projects sneakers — made a bold statement: “I can answer your question: No one’s going to buy them.”

This conclusion matched those of industry experts, who nonetheless marveled — through laughter — at what Bob Dorfman, a sports marketing expert at Baker Street Advertising, labeled “the brazenness, the audacity, the ego” of LaVar Ball, the father.

Matt Powell, a sports industry analyst at NPD Group, estimated Big Baller Brand would sell 10,000 pairs, which he described as a “rounding error” given the 400 million pairs of shoes Nike made last year.

“If you did it in snakeskin and pixie dust, it might cost $500,” Powell added.

Sneaker culture is shaped by substance as much as flash. Flight Club, for instance, prominently features sneakers linked to long-retired stars like Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing and Jordan not merely because those shoes are aesthetically pleasing, but because they are connected to incredible basketball talents.

As Jones said of Lonzo Ball: “I don’t know if he’s going to be a star.”

Then, too, there are utilitarian concerns. At least in theory, basketball sneakers are for playing basketball in, and Big Baller Brand was not believed to possess the same kind of technology that makes the established companies’ shoes user-friendly.

“I want to know how they perform,” said Karl Leung, who wore Adidas sneakers as he waited in the consignment line. Adidas is known for its Boost foam, he noted, while Nike has its Zoom cushioning.

“I’m wondering what’s in the shoe that makes it a basketball performance shoe,” Leung added.

Someone who pre-orders ZO2s today would be guaranteed shipping, according to Big Baller Brand, by Nov. 24 — a hint, Powell suggested, at the six-month lead time typically required to make and transport new shoes.

“It’s really hard to make a shoe,” said Powell, adding, “There’s a reason why you don’t see hundreds of new shoe companies.”

Many saw the shoe release as just the latest antic from LaVar Ball, who in the past few months has said that in his prime he could have beaten Jordan one-on-one (Ball briefly started at Washington State before transferring to a Division II team); that he married his wife, Tina, partly to have great basketball-playing sons; and that Lonzo Ball is better now than Stephen Curry is.

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Encountering widespread ridicule on Thursday over the sneaker’s price tag, LaVar Ball tweeted that if “you can’t afford” them, “you’re NOT a BIG BALLER!”

In an era in which marketing is conducted over social media and the loudest voice often carries the day regardless of what is being shouted, there is a certain logic to Ball’s strategy of being consistently outrageous. (Big Baller Brand did not reply to a request to comment.)


Lonzo Ball, right, shook hands with his father, LaVar, after U.C.L.A. beat Washington State in April.
MARK J. TERRILL/ASSOCIATED PRESS
But the reality is that in electing not to sign an endorsement deal after insisting, ESPN reported, that any of the three biggest shoe companies license Big Baller Brand, the Balls left money on the table.

“I’m sure the brands all said, ‘Yeah, we’re interested, we’d like to pay him a couple million bucks,’” said Powell, pointing to the standard going rate for high draft pick rookies.

“The revenue opportunity they’ve had is now over,” Powell added.

Stephon Marbury, the former N.B.A. star who plays in China and is believed to be one of a few basketball players to have his own sneaker brand independent of a major shoe company — Starbury — praised LaVar Ball on Wednesday, telling The Undefeated website: “He should want to own his own brand. That is the smartest way of doing it.”

In the ZO2 release video, which is set to a Drake track and features Lonzo Ball training in his shoes near his hometown, Chino, Calif., the namesake himself spoke in those terms, too, advocating “a movement allowing us to be entrepreneurs, not just endorsers.”

From Curry’s receiving Under Armour stock as part of his deal to James’s cashing in on his shares of Beats when the headphones company was acquired by Apple, it is part of the zeitgeist for the most talented and savvy basketball players to seek and acquire equity.

The analogy falls short, though, because Ball is not yet Marbury, much less Curry.

It also does not help that Starbury shoes are deliberately inexpensive — some new ones start at $14.98 — while the ZO2s are, well, not.

“This shoe,” Dorfman said, “may be bought by collectors just to say that they had it.”

Or not. The Flight Club consignors dismissed even a proposal to shell out for ZO2s now on the off chance that everyone will be wanting them in a decade or so.

“I’d rather buy lottery tickets,” Leung said

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/sports/basketball/lonzo-lavar-ball-shoes-zo2.html

 

[ninjahood]

if Lonzo signed a $10 million dollar contract with Adidas, he is getting it all unless he is out of the NBA

that is more money than he would make off BBB if he busts

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

 

[EddieDoyers]

if Lonzo signed a $10 million dollar contract with Adidas, he is getting it all unless he is out of the NBA

that is more money than he would make off BBB if he busts

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

Wow he gave up $10 mil...ballsy

 

[stillin729]

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

I think they do as long as you are still in the league, that is why they do these 5 year deals at $2 million per year like Brandon Ingram got

 

[SneakerProSr.]

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

I think they do as long as you are still in the league, that is why they do these 5 year deals at $2 million per year like Brandon Ingram got

Manny Paciquo and Tiger Woods lost deals while they were were still playing.

10 million dollars is a lot of money but if the kid is good they will clear that either way in 4 years.

 

[bigj505]

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

I think they do as long as you are still in the league, that is why they do these 5 year deals at $2 million per year like Brandon Ingram got

Manny Paciquo and Tiger Woods lost deals whole they were were still playing.

They broke terms of the contracts

 

[stillin729]

Manny Paciquo and Tiger Woods lost deals whole they were were still playing.

because they violated terms of their contracts not because they were busts

you can't determine language for being a bust, you can only structure it for accolades like Ben Simmons whose deal can be worth close to $40 million

 

[SneakerProSr.]

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

I think they do as long as you are still in the league, that is why they do these 5 year deals at $2 million per year like Brandon Ingram got

Manny Paciquo and Tiger Woods lost deals whole they were were still playing.

They broke terms of the contracts

What specific language in their contracts did either of them break?

Especially Tiger

 

[wallyhopp]

So you're guaranteed 3 years with a team option , right? So essentially $6 mil guaranteed for that shoe deal. Even if ones hurt, they are under contract.

On a good day, if they are walking out making some $300 profit on each pair, in theory, they would only need to sell 20k of these shoes over a three year span. They would be on a profit trajectory some 10x that of Nike. Does the world have 20,000 suckers? I think so.

It's gutsy and I would take the guaranteed sum no matter what. The profits also likely wouldn't include paying your father, so 20k would likely stretch out much further. I've lost track over the years on size runs for certain shoes. Nike is definitely making 50k at a time easily. I don't see BBB being s feasible operation, ever.

 

[stillin729]

conduct detrimental to the company is what happened to Tiger, it's not rocket science

you don't sign big deals and be able to act a fool or shine negative on the brand

 

[130122]

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

I think they do as long as you are still in the league, that is why they do these 5 year deals at $2 million per year like Brandon Ingram got

Manny Paciquo and Tiger Woods lost deals whole they were were still playing.

They broke terms of the contracts

What specific language in their contracts did either of them break?

Especially Tiger

tiger broke his contract with the prostitute scandal, pacman broke his when he had his homophobic tirade

 

[bigj505]

i think they give you your endorsement money regardless...ol'boy goofed.

I think they do as long as you are still in the league, that is why they do these 5 year deals at $2 million per year like Brandon Ingram got

Manny Paciquo and Tiger Woods lost deals whole they were were still playing.

They broke terms of the contracts

What specific language in their contracts did either of them break?

Especially Tiger

Google will help your exact answer.
Tiger Woods - the cheating scandal
Pacman - said homophobic slurs

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Shining a "negative light" on the brand is a vague *** term especially in a legal sense.

That's why I'm saying those contracts aren't guaranteed if one side can just unilaterally walk away.

 

[stillin729]

Shining a "negative light" on the brand is a vague *** term especially in a legal sense.

That's why I'm saying those contracts aren't guaranteed if one side can just unilaterally walk away.

but "negative light" wasn't the legal term in my wording

if Lonzo signed with Adidas he is getting that money, bottom line