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The man played like two games and hasn't played in over a week...you just now seeing highlights?
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Why are we even comparing across positions in the first placeIn this thread Valentie, who just got drafted not even a month ago AND Norman Powell better than oakafor
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Projection models apparently
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I would try to package Rubio and Dieng for a high level player.
Paul Milsap would be perfect.
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You can compare value across positions, that is supposed to benefit Jah because 5 is a naturally more valuable position except when you can't play defense.
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nah
Dray didn't play alot early but per minute stats were awesome.
19 PER as a freshman.
25.6 PER as a sophmore
vs Denzel.
14 PER as freshman
15 PER as sophmore.
Also Draymond had a off the charts steal rate for a big in college, a huge predictor of NBA success.
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Easy to have a higher PER when you don't shoot outside the paint and are primarily playing forward/center like Dray did his first two years.
It's heavily skewed towards fg% and rebounds, same reason why Enes Kanter had pretty much the same PER as Anthony Davis last year.
Denzel was more impressive as a senior coming into the draft than Draymond, higher PER, TS%, WS per 40 and BPM.
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The 5 spot is NOT more valuable in 2016
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1. Unfortunately freshman statistical production is by far the most predictive of NBA sucess. Senoir year has very little predictive value.
2. a forward center, getting 3 assists per 40 pace adjusted with 2 steals is awesome not matter what metric you want to use.
Look I have zero clue if Denzel will be good, maybe, maybe not. I would guess yes, he looked food at the FIBA Pan Am games playing against men, like a better Danny Green type.
All I'm saying is that he's not the same level of prospect as Draymond.
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I'm not saying his assist or steal rate wasn't good but citing his PER and not seeing how it definitely isn't the best measurement for comparison because of how it is calculated is funny.
We'll see, I've already said my peice on Denzel and I'm ready to watch it play out.
There are a lot of other players to discuss.
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But we are talking about Jahlil here.
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Exactly, he's not a two way center so he isn't that valuable.
Show me a good team that is relying on a post up scorer who doesn't protect the rim as their best player.
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Also, I see more Young Livingston in D. Murray than Jamal due to lack of shooting. Jamal has never been NOT been a streak shooter but Murray isn't there but shooting wise.
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I think the comparison is
A. Bucket getter in the post
B. A probable, role player at best.
Yea Jahlil doesn't play D, but we don't even know of Denzel will be in the league in 6 years.
I don't think they are on the same level.
But we will see
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I'd agree with this. I think Okafor is a similar player to Kanter. Neither will ever be a star due to lack of defense, but they are NBA starting caliber centers that can get you buckets pretty much at will. There will always be room in the league for them and both will have long careers.
With Valentine, his lack of athleticism as a wing player is what will keep him from being a star and will have him as more of a role player. His craftiness and high bball IQ will keep him in the league for a while though. There are a lot of guys in the league that have been able to keep themselves in NBA rotations simply because they don't do dumb stuff when they are out there...
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Evan Turner with a jumper sounds useful.
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I think you always have to use the caveat that Draymond was not much of a prospect/player until he dropped about 20lbs to get in the condition he is now. He'd be at the end of a bench if he had the same body he had at MSU.
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Except it would make no sense for ATL when they have both the PG and C positions filled (Schroeder and Howard)
Dieng/Rubio would be excellent backups but there's literally no reason ATL would trade their best player for players that would be backups on their team
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Crawford shot 33/101 from 3 his frosh year
Murray shot 34/118 from 3 his frosh year
Also had identical FG% and 2PA%
Not that far off shooting wise
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