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Your mvp was the one that wanted to leave your favorite team to come play with luol dengOriginally Posted by knightngale
is loul deng still untouchable?
The Official 2008 Chicago Bulls Off Season Thread: BG Signs 1 Year Deal; No one cares; BASEBALL FTW
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My impressions thus far...ehhhh
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Norm Van Lier just made an excellent point on Comcast
He said Ben Wallace was the biggest disappointment as a leader for the young guys.
I couldn't agree more
He said Ben Wallace was the biggest disappointment as a leader for the young guys.
I couldn't agree more
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i saw our new head coach on tv when i was watching some old reruns last night
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Buddy FTW. He was the star of the show followed by Nicole Eggert.
BTW, as much as I like Kobe and wanted him on our team, I am glad he played like garbage last night so the comaprison to Michael will stop for a while.
BTW, as much as I like Kobe and wanted him on our team, I am glad he played like garbage last night so the comaprison to Michael will stop for a while.
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I don't know why people are hating Scott Baio pulls some dimes in his day
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I have a feeling Beasley's gonna be a stud.
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anyone know anything about the contract situations with deng and gordon?
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I was never a fan of this argument, when will his shoes being off even matter. That being said Rose IMO will still be the better fit for the Bulls
Shoes don't add 3 inches unless he's balling in platform shoes
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Shoes don't add 3 inches unless he's balling in platform shoes
Agreed that he's not 6'10...but the shoes usually add an inch or inch and a half...so he's about 6'8 or 6'9 and thats still a good sizefor a PF
I just never understood why critics would say things like "Well he's only 6'1 with shoes on" and I just always think that they never playwithout shoes on, so why bring it up
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Agreed that he's not 6'10...but the shoes usually add an inch or inch and a half...so he's about 6'8 or 6'9 and thats still a good size for a PF
I just never understood why critics would say things like "Well he's only 6'1 with shoes on" and I just always think that they never play without shoes on, so why bring it up
cause if a dude was 6'1" with shoes off; he'd be 6'3" with them on
but I totally get what you're saying
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NNNNNNNNope.
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They're both Restricted FAs
Deng will probably re-sign
I think Gordon has mention he'd be willing to sign a one year deal and become a unrestricted FA next off season which could be a real risky move
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It may mean everything or nothing at all, but with one week left until the NBA draft, the only team Derrick Rose has worked out for is the Bulls.
Rose finished his two-day visit today with his hometown Bulls, who own the No. 1 pick in the June 26 draft.
Reggie Rose, Derrick's older brother and adviser, confirmed that no visit with the Miami Heat, the team with the second overall pick, has been scheduled.
"But we'll go to Miami if we have to," Reggie Rose said.
Derrick, who led Simeon to two state championships, made it clear that the only team for him was the Bulls, no matter the presumptive pressures that could comewith playing in Chicago.
"I would love to play here, it's a dream come true to get to bring the Bulls back to where they're supposed to be," Rose said. "Ihaven't thought about the [negatives]. I've just thought about the positives; like how it feels to be in the Bulls uniform, and my family would get tosee me. I'm just taking it step by step."
As for playing for the Bulls or the Heat, Rose was more certain today that home was where his heart is than he was at the league's predraft camp in Orlandolast month. At that time, Rose said playing for Miami and team president Pat Riley would be a positive.
"I would love to play under him," Rose said in Orlando. "He let Dwyane Wade play and my game is similar to his, up-tempo. I would love to gothere. I would love to be one of the people that would help them rebuild for the future. But I would love to play for the Bulls, too. It's their pick. Ican't make their pick. It wouldn't hurt if they passed me up. As long as I'm
playing professional basketball, I'm happy."
Rose said today he would "probably" go down to Miami and workout.
"But if not, too bad," he said.
Rose directed Memphis to the NCAA championship game as a freshman and averaged 14.9 points and 4.7 assists. He credits coach John Calipari for helping himmature as a player and person.
"When I first came in the summer, I wasn't sure I would be able to run the offense because it was so many things I had to learn," Rose said."But he put me in this offense and told me to cool down and play my game. He groomed me into a young man and told me to attack the rim more."
Calipari and Simeon coach Robert Smith also emphasized defense, which is always Word One around the Bulls.
"That's the No. 1 thing he wants his players to learn," Rose said of Calipari. "If you take one possession off, he'll terrorize you forthat whole possession until you get on the bench and then he gets in your face. On defense, he used to hate when I let people score.
"Coach Cal and Robert Smith talked about running their offense through their defense. That's what I've been all my years of basketball - defensemakes offense."
Rose has been a winner and leader at both the high school and college level.
But former Bulls guard B.J. Armstrong, now one of Rose's agents, wants his client to become less reserved.
"He wants me to be a leader and be more vocal on the court," Rose said. "He tells me to talk more and make people work harder. My leadershipskills - they're getting better. Hopefully at the next level, they'll go even higher."
Rose admitted to being "nonchalant" about the idea of being - along with Kansas State forward Michael Beasley, who also visited the Bulls this week -among the top two prospects.
"But now I'm just frantic," he said. "I just can't wait until they call my name. I don't care which team. But I [hope] the Bullscall my name."
Rose finished his two-day visit today with his hometown Bulls, who own the No. 1 pick in the June 26 draft.
Reggie Rose, Derrick's older brother and adviser, confirmed that no visit with the Miami Heat, the team with the second overall pick, has been scheduled.
"But we'll go to Miami if we have to," Reggie Rose said.
Derrick, who led Simeon to two state championships, made it clear that the only team for him was the Bulls, no matter the presumptive pressures that could comewith playing in Chicago.
"I would love to play here, it's a dream come true to get to bring the Bulls back to where they're supposed to be," Rose said. "Ihaven't thought about the [negatives]. I've just thought about the positives; like how it feels to be in the Bulls uniform, and my family would get tosee me. I'm just taking it step by step."
As for playing for the Bulls or the Heat, Rose was more certain today that home was where his heart is than he was at the league's predraft camp in Orlandolast month. At that time, Rose said playing for Miami and team president Pat Riley would be a positive.
"I would love to play under him," Rose said in Orlando. "He let Dwyane Wade play and my game is similar to his, up-tempo. I would love to gothere. I would love to be one of the people that would help them rebuild for the future. But I would love to play for the Bulls, too. It's their pick. Ican't make their pick. It wouldn't hurt if they passed me up. As long as I'm
playing professional basketball, I'm happy."
Rose said today he would "probably" go down to Miami and workout.
"But if not, too bad," he said.
Rose directed Memphis to the NCAA championship game as a freshman and averaged 14.9 points and 4.7 assists. He credits coach John Calipari for helping himmature as a player and person.
"When I first came in the summer, I wasn't sure I would be able to run the offense because it was so many things I had to learn," Rose said."But he put me in this offense and told me to cool down and play my game. He groomed me into a young man and told me to attack the rim more."
Calipari and Simeon coach Robert Smith also emphasized defense, which is always Word One around the Bulls.
"That's the No. 1 thing he wants his players to learn," Rose said of Calipari. "If you take one possession off, he'll terrorize you forthat whole possession until you get on the bench and then he gets in your face. On defense, he used to hate when I let people score.
"Coach Cal and Robert Smith talked about running their offense through their defense. That's what I've been all my years of basketball - defensemakes offense."
Rose has been a winner and leader at both the high school and college level.
But former Bulls guard B.J. Armstrong, now one of Rose's agents, wants his client to become less reserved.
"He wants me to be a leader and be more vocal on the court," Rose said. "He tells me to talk more and make people work harder. My leadershipskills - they're getting better. Hopefully at the next level, they'll go even higher."
Rose admitted to being "nonchalant" about the idea of being - along with Kansas State forward Michael Beasley, who also visited the Bulls this week -among the top two prospects.
"But now I'm just frantic," he said. "I just can't wait until they call my name. I don't care which team. But I [hope] the Bullscall my name."
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draft next week, pack ur bags kirk
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every time i think im sold on beasley i change my mind and want em to take rose...then i lean back toward beasley....today im leanin toward rose because ithink his defense at the point will be great...plus i like his attitude...seems like his work ethic after the millions of dollars will be higher than beasleys
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One guy has all kinds of video coverage of him. The other guy has very little.
Let the guy with all the hype fall. Take the guy that doesn't need the coverage. Derrick Rose is our guy. He's the more polished man. His circle isclose. His talents are obvious. We need a leader, not the Joker.
Let the guy with all the hype fall. Take the guy that doesn't need the coverage. Derrick Rose is our guy. He's the more polished man. His circle isclose. His talents are obvious. We need a leader, not the Joker.
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Trading Tracy McGrady
Earlier this week rumors surfaced about the Rockets possibly trading Tracy McGrady. While this is likely to be mere speculation fueled by the boredom that sometimes sets in between the end of the Finals and the upcoming NBA Draft, it's not completely out of the question.
Keep in mind that McGrady has never been the top dog on a championship contender. His talents and mentality are best suited to be Robin, not Batman. In that way, he and Pau Gasol have a lot in common. Make Pau the superstar and the Grizzlies were a lottery team. Put him next to Kobe Bryant and all of a sudden he's in the NBA Finals.
That was supposed to be the scenario in Orlando, where the Magic were oh so close to signing Tim Duncan to go along with McGrady and Grant Hill. Of course, David Robinson flew in to prevent Duncan signing and Hill began suffering through a long stretch of injuries. McGrady was left as the lone star, and was so unsuccessful that he was traded to the Lone Star State. So any team that would trade for McGrady would need to have an established star already in place.
With that in mind, HOOPSWORLD's Travis Heath explores some of the possibilities:
The smart money says that McGrady ends up back in Houston. Yes, he's definitely underachieved during most of his career in the playoffs. However, he was pretty darned good this past postseason against the Jazz. And if Yao Ming and McGrady could ever both stay healthy for an entire season, the Rockets' window of opportunity to make some noise as currently constructed (or with just a few small tweaks) definitely hasn't closed.
Will McGrady ever evolve into the type of player who can be a true playoff closer? That's really the question no one has a definitive answer for, but past experience tells us no.
If Houston's answer to that question is indeed no, then they have to look into the possibility of moving him. That, of course, is easier said than done given the two years and over $44-million left on McGrady's current contract.
All that said, there are likely a few teams who would have some interest in McGrady.
Detroit Pistons - Word is that Joe Dumars is reportedly entertaining the notion of adding McGrady at the expense of Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace. If the Pistons then opted to keep Chauncey Billups and Tayshaun Prince, that would provide the Pistons with a pretty nasty lineup. In addition, the Rockets would be able to add two very good players around Yao Ming who don't always have to have the ball in their hands as McGrady does to be effective. Keep your eyes on this one as it has the makings of something that could provide quite a bit of intrigue for both sides.
New York Knicks - Playing Mike D'Antoni's offense would maximize McGrady's strengths while helping to mask some of his weaknesses. However, unless the Rockets want a piece of one of the Knicks' ridiculous contracts like Zach Randolph or Stephon Marbury, a deal couldn't get done. The Knicks could try and sweeten the pot by offering the #6 pick this season and additional picks in the future, but even then it's hard to imagine the Rockets biting.
Chicago Bulls - The Bulls have a lot of solid players, but the player they've lacked since Jordan's departure is that one dominant superstar. McGrady has shown flashes of reaching that level but certainly hasn't proven he can do it when all the chips are pushed to the middle of the table in the postseason. That said, Chicago GM John Paxson is said to be tired of drafting young players in hopes they develop into something big in the future. This makes one wonder whether a package built around Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich and one of Chicago's young bigs like Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah would get the Rockets' attention. Personally, that seems like a lot to give up for McGrady, but Houston isn't going to move him for peanuts.
New Jersey Nets - Rod Thorn and Kiki Vandeweghe have let it be known that they would like to acquire a difference-maker this offseason, and it's likely they think of McGrady as that kind of player. The Nets have already talked to a number of teams about Richard Jefferson. While Jefferson doesn't possess the same kind of dynamic offensive game McGrady does, he's a much more solid defender. However, the Nets would then likely have to find a taker for Vince Carter, too. While McGrady and Carter are cousins, they're also two players whose games are too similar to coexist, as the Raptors found out north of the border nearly a decade ago. ---Travis Heath
Travis is certainly correct in asserting that a trade for McGrady is unlikely. The Rockets' preference is to keep Yao and Tracy and add a third scoring option - someone like Corey Maggette or Ron Artest. Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace might be enough to pry him away, and Rockets fans would love to see Richard Jefferson finally make his Houston debut. One of the worst trades in team history was the one that sent Jefferson to New Jersey in a package for the draft rights to Eddie Griffin. Even so, the best option would be to work out some other deal so Jefferson could complement the Yao/McGrady tandem.
Will Tracy McGrady find himself traded once again? It's unlikely. But in the new and improved Western Conference teams can't afford to stand still, and the Rockets have already let it be known that they're open for business. If the right deal came along McGrady could probably be pried out of Houston.
[h1]Rose 'chases greatness' with a passion for winning[/h1]
By Andy Katz
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Updated: June 20, 2008
DEERFIELD, Ill. -- Derrick Rose has cried after losing an AAU game. Not just once, but multiple times.
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Derrick Rose's winning mentality and work ethic make him a special prospect in the NBA draft.
An AAU game? Are you serious? There's usually another game in a few hours, and no one pays much attention to an AAU team's win-loss record.
But once John Calipari saw Rose tear up after an AAU loss, the Memphis coach knew right then that Rose was a player he wanted.
"What turned it for me was when I saw him cry after an AAU loss and the other dudes were racing to get to McDonald's," Calipari said. "This kid was crushed by losing."
Rose wasn't being immature. He cared. Maybe too much, but Calipari would take that passion in a second.
"I just hate losing, and I know on the next level I'll have to get used to it [and] hopefully I won't tear up more at the next level," Rose said after his workout for his hometown Chicago Bulls Thursday morning. "I'm really competitive. If people say I can't shoot, then in a drill I'll try to outshoot them. I just hate losing. No matter what it is, I'll do it to win. Winning is the goal for me."
Rose's brother, Reggie, said Calipari has already warned the point guard that he may lose more games in the first few weeks of the NBA season than he did in his four years in high school and his two-loss season at Memphis.
"It's all true," Reggie Rose said of Derrick's crying. "He hates to lose. Cal was clear that he can't lock himself in his room when they lose."
Calipari doesn't mince words about how much of a difference Rose's winning mentality changed the culture of the Tigers' program. Memphis went to two straight Elite Eights prior to Rose's arrival. Memphis went to the national title game with him, and the Tigers were potentially 17 feet -- a missed two-footer against Tennessee and a missed 15-foot free throw against Kansas in the title game -- from a perfect 40-0 season.
"What I like most about Derrick Rose is that when the lights are on, he takes his game to a different level," said UCLA coach Ben Howland. "The significance of the game raises his game to a higher level. He's a big-game, big-time, lights-on guy. That's when he shines best. Those guys are few and far between. Every big game he played, our game, Texas, he was phenomenal."
It's easy to look at Rose as the next Chris Paul or Deron Williams, two point guards who changed their franchises in New Orleans and Utah, respectively. But Calipari compared Rose to Sam Cassell, saying that Rose is the type of winner Cassell has become at the age of 38, still contributing to a championship with Boston years after winning two titles in Houston.
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Rose raised his game to another level in the NCAA tournament, averaging 20.8 points, 6.0 assists and 6.5 rebounds.
That winning mentality makes Rose a special prospect, Calipari said.
"Barring injury, he's your point guard the next 15 years," Calipari said. "If you can get one like him, you do it."
Calipari said Rose came to an established team, but after a month or two, he didn't just run the Tigers, he dragged them along.
"He's a guy who chases greatness," Calipari said. "You have to have the habits and the work ethic to truly chase it. He does."
Rose proved his maturity and leadership abilities after Memphis' regular-season loss to Tennessee, the team's only regular-season loss of the season. The freshman was one of only a few Tigers who talked to the media after the game. While veterans Chris Douglas-Roberts and Joey Dorsey hid their faces in the locker room, Rose faced the defeat head-on. From that point on, Rose decided to dominate his position.
And his game wasn't the same after that.
Rose had his scoring moments, like putting up 23 points in 25 minutes in a win at Southern Miss. But he also played the true point with 11 assists and just two turnovers in a win over UAB.
He also averaged 20.8 points, 6.0 assists and 6.5 rebounds in six NCAA tournament games. He dominated head-to-head matchups against top point guards like Texas' .J. Augustin and UCLA's Darren Collison.
"It was win, win, win, win, and when the [NCAA] tournament came, Derrick was going to be the best player at his position," Reggie Rose said. "It just so happens that the other young players lost earlier in the tournament [like Michael Beasley of Kansas State, Eric Gordon of Indiana, Jerryd Bayless of Arizona, O.J. Mayo of USC] and that's why the spotlight was on him."
The wow factor for Rose was endless.
"I just knew that I had to put the team on my shoulders," Rose said. "I had to run the team."
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Rose admits he wants to play for the Bulls, but will he get his wish?
The one blemish that Rose can't forget came against Kansas in the title game. He missed a free throw with 10 seconds left in regulation. If he made the free throw, Memphis would have had a four-point lead. Instead, with a three-point lead, Kansas' Mario Chalmers hit a game-tying 3-pointer with 2.1 seconds left.
Following the title game, Rose was crying, hugging Reggie and spiritual advisor Jesse Jackson outside the Memphis locker room.
"He's his own worst critic and he internalizes his game, and if he makes a mistake, it takes a while for him to get over it," Calipari said.
Despite the one miss, Rose and Reggie say he must be blessed.
The Bulls were slated to get the ninth pick in the NBA draft and had a 1.7 percent chance of landing at No. 1. Rose said he was signing with his agents, Arn Tellem and B.J. Armstrong in Los Angeles on May 20, the day of the draft lottery. He said Tellem asked him who he wanted to play for.
"Of course I said the Bulls, and everyone was laughing because they said it's not going to happen," Rose said. "Then it was just crazy. It was like one in a thousand, and they got the pick. God must have had something to do with it."
The Bulls have a tough choice to make between Rose and Beasley. But the one thing they won't have to worry about if they choose Rose is his commitment to the game.
"He's not doing this so he can be on MTV to show his crib," Calipari said. "That's not this kid. He doesn't need someone to say, 'Hey, look what's in my refrigerator.' He's driven like Tiger Woods. He's got it. He's unique like that."
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