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the 2nd hokage didn't use any of his space time jutsus that were on par with minato/obito's though. hashi didn't use his poison gas forest or any of thatother stuff.Yes, Kishi can, its his manga. However, at this moment he hasn't. Like you said, we can't dispute it. Which is what this guy is trying to do, but it's just not working.This is where you're right and wrong at the same time. We as readers cannot dispute it, but Kishi can to his heart's content, since he's writing it.
This^^. I would've liked it if there were no continuity errors (i.e. Hiruzen staying the strongest hokage), but there's not much we can do about it.
I don't understand how we all saw the 2 guys we're talking about fight and we clearly saw the direction it was heading in. It was a handicap match from the jump too! Yet he doesn't see it the same way lmao.
i'm sure that hiruzen would have jsut used wind/fire/ whatever to counter them because he was nice, but the point is your whole argument is based on a nickname and a fight where we clearly saw hiruzen was out of his prime and the edo clones werent using 1/5th of their abilities.
we can only go by what kishi wants us to believe and by hyping up madara as the beast that he is currently, then we have no choice but to accept the real hashirama was at least double the beast. and madara himself said that hashi was unmatched.
yes hiruzen was called the strongest, but i think we're to believe that was all speculation and it's now being shown false.
i mean for a while, to go back to the dbz analogy, didn't everyone say that frieza was the baddest? authors retcon power levels in comics all the time to suit their purposes. you WERE right about hiruzen. it's clear now though that kishi wants that not to be the case anymore.