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[senorroboto2k5]

I liked the way they used him. They gave him his own segment of the movie after being one of he villains in the climactic fight of the last one. In terms of the movies, it would've felt like they were dragging out his character if they had him stick around any more.

 

[tay1]

I like how they used Crossbones, and Baltroc in the previous film. Great way to use low level villains. Nobody cares about Baltroc or Crossbones, but they were used well.

 

[Betonblck]

I saw this yesterday. I liked it.

It was pretty good how they found ways to keep the fighting scenes from feeling repetitive, for example like Antman getting small, then big.

 

[jays25]

Well again Crossbones isn't some big compelling villain with a bunch of classic stories to his name.

Yeah they had potential to do something with him in the MCU but they swerved on that and made it simple and straightforward; he was a SHIELD agent, secretly HYDRA, had a bit of a grudge against Cap, got beat up by him, then Cap dropped a building on his face, survived and became a terrorist with now some real hatred against Cap, so much so the next time he sees him he's ready to ditch his deal of selling a bioweapon just so he could blow himself up with a bomb he apparently keeps on him any time he goes out just in the hopes he took Cap with him.

The end.

If anything it's a great contrast to Zemo who also hates Cap (and the rest of the Avengers). Rumlow took his shot the next time he saw Cap just by having a bomb on him while Zemo planned for over a year. Imagine if Steve dies Half of Zemo's plans goes up in smoke and he has to adapt to screw with Tony.

I wonder now if Zemo was the buyer that made Crossbones go steal the bioweapon in the first place?


Overall, comic fans who are aware of Cap's stories and aren't the biggest fans of all of it have to commend the MCU guys for pivoting off that so so origin and then basically taking the best Cap stories they can that meshed with Feige's vision and endgame to make some great Marvel movies.

There was no room for Cap movies where he gets hooked on drugs, becomes WolfCap, Nomad (although a sequel of him travelling America, seeing how the country has changed since the 40s, losing faith in his country and giving up the Cap name could've been a dope and deep sequel), feels tortured over the loss of Bucky and makes Rick Jones his new Bucky, fights the Serpent Society, etc. They had some guidelines and no room for the regular ****. So they're pushed to do better and play with the genre's available (mostly channeling Brubaker's great run) and they end up unexpectedly good.

Well said.

 

[Mambalorian]

well technically, cap threw the gas truck 

Nah. Antman did

 

[36Hypno]

Antman told Cap to throw it at that disk that would enlarge it.

 

[memphissfinest]

The constant BvS vs CW is as annoying as the Team Cap/IM flamewar

YEP. BEYOND PLAYED OUT AT THIS POINT.

 

[nick.]

The man who put Marvel in the black:

Nate Moore makes The Falcon, makes Black Panther, and he’s making the future of film

 

[Mark Antony]

The film is being co-written by Coogler and Joe Robert Cole, a black writer who wrote a few episodes for FX’s recent and popular The People v. O.J. Simpson (and who came out of that Marvel writers’ program years ago).

Bruh

 

[rfx45]

IRON MAN 3 DIRECTOR SHANE BLACK SAYS 'REAL' MANDARIN WAS MARVEL'S APOLOGY TO FANS AND A LEAD FEMALE VILLAIN REMOVED


Marvel's short film "All Hail the King" was a response to Iron Man 3, according to director Shane Black.

"Marvel saw so many negative things they made a whole other movie just to apologize called [sic] Hail to the King," Black told Uproxx's Mike Ryan when the topic of negative online comments regarding Iron Man 3 came up. "In which they said, 'No, no, the Mandarin is still alive. That wasn't him. There's a real Mandarin." The only reason it was made, he added, was to apologize to angry fans.

Marvel didn't expect backlash to Iron Man 3's treatment of the character—in fact, the studio thought fans would "eat it up."

"It never occurred to us the Mandarin is as iconic to people as, say, the Joker in Batman," Black said. "[Fans] just wanted to see the magic rings shoot lasers."

Black also revealed there was an "early draft" of the film where the villain was a woman. The director was explicitly told by Marvel executives the villain could not be a woman "because, after consulting, [they] decided that toy won't sell as well it it's a female."

The director said that both Iron Man 3's Stéphanie Szostak and Rebecca Hall had their roles reduced from an early draft of the script. Because of "Marvel corporate"—and not Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, Black stressed—the writers had to change the entire script. In the draft, the female character was essentially Guy Pearce's Killian character, and the major difference was the gender.

 

[everysingletime]

Yea, I saw that last night. Can't believe they changed the villain to a guy just to make more toys smh.

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

what happens when execs think they know better than everyone.

 

[Mark Antony]

IRON MAN 3 DIRECTOR SHANE BLACK SAYS 'REAL' MANDARIN WAS MARVEL'S APOLOGY TO FANS AND A LEAD FEMALE VILLAIN REMOVED


Marvel's short film "All Hail the King" was a response to Iron Man 3, according to director Shane Black.

"Marvel saw so many negative things they made a whole other movie just to apologize called [sic] Hail to the King," Black told Uproxx's Mike Ryan when the topic of negative online comments regarding Iron Man 3 came up. "In which they said, 'No, no, the Mandarin is still alive. That wasn't him. There's a real Mandarin." The only reason it was made, he added, was to apologize to angry fans.

Marvel didn't expect backlash to Iron Man 3's treatment of the character—in fact, the studio thought fans would "eat it up."

"It never occurred to us the Mandarin is as iconic to people as, say, the Joker in Batman," Black said. "[Fans] just wanted to see the magic rings shoot lasers."

Black also revealed there was an "early draft" of the film where the villain was a woman. The director was explicitly told by Marvel executives the villain could not be a woman "because, after consulting, [they] decided that toy won't sell as well it it's a female."

The director said that both Iron Man 3's Stéphanie Szostak and Rebecca Hall had their roles reduced from an early draft of the script. Because of "Marvel corporate"—and not Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, Black stressed—the writers had to change the entire script. In the draft, the female character was essentially Guy Pearce's Killian character, and the major difference was the gender.

I still think he doesn't get it.

And who the hell bought Killian toys?

 

[slighted]

What's the appeal of the Mandarin? I also read that in China, they labeled Mandarin --> "Man Darren" so they wouldn't offend the Chinese audience.

 

[tr1ll]

I never saw that Hail the King film.

Was Ben Kingsley actually the Mandarin, just playing dumb so Killian took all the heat?

Thats what they should've done.

 

[rfx45]

Some guy was pretty much interviewing Trevor (Kingsley) and in the end it was revealed that the interviewer worked for the "real" Mandarin and kills him.

 

[rfx45]

 

[lamekilla]

Lizzy Olsen tickled my childhood

 

[jays25]

IRON MAN 3 DIRECTOR SHANE BLACK SAYS 'REAL' MANDARIN WAS MARVEL'S APOLOGY TO FANS AND A LEAD FEMALE VILLAIN REMOVED


Marvel's short film "All Hail the King" was a response to Iron Man 3, according to director Shane Black.

"Marvel saw so many negative things they made a whole other movie just to apologize called [sic] Hail to the King," Black told Uproxx's Mike Ryan when the topic of negative online comments regarding Iron Man 3 came up. "In which they said, 'No, no, the Mandarin is still alive. That wasn't him. There's a real Mandarin." The only reason it was made, he added, was to apologize to angry fans.

Marvel didn't expect backlash to Iron Man 3's treatment of the character—in fact, the studio thought fans would "eat it up."

"It never occurred to us the Mandarin is as iconic to people as, say, the Joker in Batman," Black said. "[Fans] just wanted to see the magic rings shoot lasers."

Black also revealed there was an "early draft" of the film where the villain was a woman. The director was explicitly told by Marvel executives the villain could not be a woman "because, after consulting, [they] decided that toy won't sell as well it it's a female."

The director said that both Iron Man 3's Stéphanie Szostak and Rebecca Hall had their roles reduced from an early draft of the script. Because of "Marvel corporate"—and not Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, Black stressed—the writers had to change the entire script. In the draft, the female character was essentially Guy Pearce's Killian character, and the major difference was the gender.

Basically, it never occured to you that when bringing a hero's greatest nemesis to the big screen that people would want to see him in his classic form? No, no Killian was a much better option.

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

It's a salty response. You entice fans with a trailer with the Mandarin in it. Fans dish out money to see the movie and you honey **** us with the ol switcharoo.

 

[sea manup]

Would wife/8

 

[phillie]

In the MCU, how old was Howard Stark supposed to be in 1991?  In Captain America: Th First Avenger and Agent Carter, I would assume he was maybe early 30's but that would have been in the early 40's.  So when he died at the hands of Bucky, was he supposed to be in his 80's even though he looks around 60?

 

[rfx45]

Howard was born in 1917


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[jays25]

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The question is does this look like a man who is in his mid-70s. Consider how long Patrick Stewart's looked exactly the same

 

[Master Zik]

IRON MAN 3 DIRECTOR SHANE BLACK SAYS 'REAL' MANDARIN WAS MARVEL'S APOLOGY TO FANS AND A LEAD FEMALE VILLAIN REMOVED


Marvel's short film "All Hail the King" was a response to Iron Man 3, according to director Shane Black.

"Marvel saw so many negative things they made a whole other movie just to apologize called [sic] Hail to the King," Black told Uproxx's Mike Ryan when the topic of negative online comments regarding Iron Man 3 came up. "In which they said, 'No, no, the Mandarin is still alive. That wasn't him. There's a real Mandarin." The only reason it was made, he added, was to apologize to angry fans.

Marvel didn't expect backlash to Iron Man 3's treatment of the character—in fact, the studio thought fans would "eat it up."

"It never occurred to us the Mandarin is as iconic to people as, say, the Joker in Batman," Black said. "[Fans] just wanted to see the magic rings shoot lasers."

Black also revealed there was an "early draft" of the film where the villain was a woman. The director was explicitly told by Marvel executives the villain could not be a woman "because, after consulting, [they] decided that toy won't sell as well it it's a female."

The director said that both Iron Man 3's Stéphanie Szostak and Rebecca Hall had their roles reduced from an early draft of the script. Because of "Marvel corporate"—and not Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, Black stressed—the writers had to change the entire script. In the draft, the female character was essentially Guy Pearce's Killian character, and the major difference was the gender.

This is getting picked up on the news now. Just saw it covered on the noon news.

I'm not surprised Marvel made the change and why. They about that paper and in the end they turned the damsel in distress trope on its head.

I wonder if Hall was gonna be the villain. I wonder if it was gonna be Madame Masque or if they were gonna make the Mandarin female or introduce his daughter and give her the title.

There's DEFINITELY going to be a Black Widow movie now. Might even have Madame Masque and Yelena Belova (the other Black Widow) in it as villains.

They gonna go harder with Captain Marvel too. Might add a female villain in there somehow or straight replace who they had. I was pretty sure her first villain would be a Kree dude, Magnitron.