What the Miami Heat need to do to turn it Around!!!!!!!

[miamipinoyboy]

What the Miami Heat Need to do to turn it Around!!!!!!!


The Miami Heat need to make a blockbuster trade now to have any chance to make a run at the championship next year or face another disappointing season. PatRiley has always been known for making big trades that changes the look of the franchise, while with the Miami Heat. Big trades that have brought players likeAlonzo Mourning, Eddie Jones, Shaquille O'Neal, Jason Williams, Antoine Walker, & Ricky Davis and have got us an NBA Championship. Riley has a coupleof expiring contracts and needs to move them to get players back so that we can have some fire power next season. The Miami Heat's expiring contractsconsist of J. Williams - $8,937,500, R. Davis - $6,817,500, A. Mourning - $2,762,500, and 5 small contracts. The Heat need to look for trade partners thatwant to part ways and give up their franchise players in order to create some cap space to be a big spender in free agency this summer (200.

Players that are eligible for free agency in 2008.
Baron Davis (player option)
Corey Maggette (player option)
Elton Brand (player option)
Shawn Marion (player option)
Ron Artest (player option)
Antawn Jamison
Gilbert Arenas (player option)

I propose this trade scenario:
A blockbuster trade between the Miami Heat and Sacramento Kings
There are two trade scenarios between these two teams:
The 1st is more sensible and more likely to happen
The 2nd is capable of being pulled off, but may not go through

1st----
Miami: Going
PG Jason Williams
SG Ricky Davis
PG Smush Parker

Sacramento Kings: Going
PG Mike Bibby
SF Ron Artest

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...1823~933~25~61&teams=23~23~23~14~14&te=&cash=

2nd----
Miami: Going
PG Jason Williams
SG Ricky Davis
PG Smush Parker
C Mark Blount

Sacramento Kings: Going
PG Mike Bibby
SF Ron Artest
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...1823~933&teams=14~14~14~23~23~23~23&te=&cash=

Why this trade benefits both teams:
The Miami Heat finally gets 2 players that have something to contribute to the team. A PG that has the capability to run the team, but most importantly a PGthat has a jump shot and has range to hit the open 3 constantly. Also the Heat would get a SF, a position that has been lacking since the departure of A.Walker and J. Posey, but even with them the SF position was inconsistent. With R. Artest at SF, it gives everything we would ask for from the SF position, aplayer that plays great defense, can score and has a range of offensive skills.
The Sacramento Kings get rid of 2 players that are not in the picture of their future franchise. The Kings might see R.Artest as a mistake and fix this mistakeby getting rid of him. The Kings also get rid of M. Bibby's huge contract. The Kings will free up cap space, which will allow them to rebuild thefranchise, they way they see fit. With the unloading of these 2 or 3 players the Kings will be left with a bunch of young talent, except for B. Miller. Withthis cap space the Kings now have the ability to sign a free agent that they want to lead their franchise. Maybe S. Marion, a player that will have the abilityto show that he is a top player in the NBA and can lead a team, or G. Arenas, a player that has great scoring ability and a clutch performer, or E. Brand a bigforce in the paint that gives them a post presence, which is important formula for an NBA championship.

If this trade goes down:

New Miami Heat Roster
Starting:
PG Mike Bibby

SG Dwayne Wade

SF Ron Artest

PF Udonis Haslem

C Shaquille O'Neal

2nd String:
PG Chris Quinn

SG Daequan Cook

SF Dorell Wright

PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim

C Earl Barron

3rd String:
Joel Anthony
Alexander Johnson
Luke Jackson

A PLUS---if the Miami Heat continues on the losing streak that they are on....
Miami will be rewarded with a high lottery pick and a shot at the #1 in the draft with dynamite players that consist of.....

 

[sohi 23]

I tell you what, if that trade happens I'll pull a JapanAir21

 

[nycknicks105]

They need to rebuild from the bottom up again. They are too damn old.

 

[japanair21]

, good luck trading Smush+anyone for Bibby/Artest

 

[bullsrepeat3peat]

A blockbuster trade between the Miami Heat and Sacramento Kings
There are two trade scenarios between these two teams:
The 1st is more sensible and more likely to happen

The 2nd is capable of being pulled off, but may not go through

1st----
Miami: Going
PG Jason Williams
SG Ricky Davis
PG Smush Parker

Sacramento Kings: Going
PG Mike Bibby
SF Ron Artest

 

[sohi 23]

In reality the Kings could get so much more for Bibby or Artest.
Maybe a young point gaurd by the name of Javaris Crittenton and the expiring contract of Kwame Brown
for Ron Artest

 

[mjdalegend]

ah, Miami turn-around proposal ver 2.0.

 

[owl troutwig]

They need to get rid of that dead weight called Shaquille O'Neal. Just taking up space.

 

[not a sneak]

The trades aren't completely bogus. It give the Kings a lot of cap room.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

^which is what we're looking for...

 

[miamipinoyboy]

Originally Posted by nycknicks105

They need to rebuild from the bottom up again. They are too damn old.

How do you rebuild when the Heat have an aging Shaq under contract for a couple more seasons taking $20 million of cap space......

You want the Heat to go through a rebuilding stage, not possible (read line above) and if it were possible you want D Wade to waste good years playing forno shot at the title....

By the way, your NY Knicks are the worse franchise in the history of sports.

 

[sohi 23]

Smush has a player's option that you know he his taking so...

 

[japanair21]

When Shaq's done, the Heat have to hang onto Haslem and Wade, everyone else on the roster is expendable.

 

[bullsrepeat3peat]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Wade leave once his contract is up...

 

[quest uno]

i can always count on NT for laughs

 

[miamipinoyboy]

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

Smush has a player's option that you know he his taking so...

Beno Udrih, there backup PG has stepped in the starting role and preformed well, but with M. Bibby gone and J. Will of the roster next year if the tradegoes down. The Kings will be lacking depth at the PG position and Smush can be a solid backup PG. I also believe that Beno Udrih's contract might be up atthe end of this season.

 

[miamipinoyboy]

Originally Posted by Not a sneak

The trades aren't completely bogus. It give the Kings a lot of cap room.

Finally, somebody with some sense. Whats with all the Hate??? Y'all act like this trade doesn't make the Heat way better and probably puts them intothe top 3 in the East if all stay healthy, and the Heat get some new hungry players, after the Heat won the championship it seemed like everyone on the rosterlost their hunger to win and play for something. And as for the Kings, they've been playing without all these 3 players the whole season and are taking awhole lot of the cap space, and the Heat are returning expiring contracts the only thing that the Kings are interested in now and are going into rebuildingmode......

 

[miamipinoyboy]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

, good luck trading Smush+anyone for Bibby/Artest

JapanAir21's Dallas Mavericks know that if this trade goes down and could happen if both teams wake up and make ithappen, the Heat will be a force again in the East and if Dallas some how miraculously makes it to the Finals the Heat might be there and you, the Mavericks donot want to see D Wade and the Heat in any championship game.

 

[japanair21]

Yeah, but Charlotte has cap space too. So what. In order to keep all the players they have left happy, it's going to take money. And key free agentsdon't normally go to under-level cities unless there's a star player there they want to play with. The plain and simple fact is that nothing big'sgoing to happen when Shaq's still in Miami. Just because a contract is expiring doesn't mean you give up quality players. How often do two qualitystarting players get traded for expiring contracts? Maybe in a multi-team deal, but I doubt they'd get Artest and Bibby. Shaq's huge contract iswhat's holding them back, they can only make minor moves. And by breaking up the great chemistry they had with GP, Posey, Kapono, and co., not much isgoing to change. I'm not bitter about the Mavericks losing to the Heat, but these guys just aren't that good this year. They aren't winning. TheKings aren't pushing the panic button just yet, if they were, they'd have traded Bibby and Artest already, they had all of last year to do that. IFANYONE, they'd get rid of Bibby/Brad Miller/Moore, and any bad contracts. None of those players would sign with the Kings, Baron is on a playoff team,Brand and Maggette are key to a very strong Clippers team, Marion would be a fool to leave the Suns, Jamison if anywhere will go to a contender, and Gilbertwon't leave Caron, and if he does, it will be to a contender. Smush's contract is two years, and Mark Blount's is multiple as well.

JapanAir21's Dallas Mavericks know that if this trade goes down and could happen if both teams wake up and make it happen, the Heat will be a force again in the East and if Dallas some how miraculously makes it to the Finals the Heat might be there and you, the Mavericks do not want to see D Wade and the Heat in any championship game.


Homie, that trade wouldn't happen. OH YEAH? Well Mavericks would trade Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse for Kobe Bryant andthen they'd trade Jason Terry and all the rest of their scrubs for Dwight Howard and then you wouldn't wanna see them in a championship game!

. EVENIF that trade happened, they'd have a hell of a time trying to go through Detroit and Boston. And just for the record, I'd take a chemistry drivenMavericks squad versus your fantasy Heat squad, because they just aren't that good anymore.

 

[sohi 23]

Co-sign with JapanAir. Face it Heat fans, as long as Shaq and his monster contract is there,
you guys will never be good

 

[miamipinoyboy]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Yeah, but Charlotte has cap space too. So what. In order to keep all the players they have left happy, it's going to take money. And key free agents don't normally go to under-level cities unless there's a star player there they want to play with. The plain and simple fact is that nothing big's going to happen when Shaq's still in Miami. Just because a contract is expiring doesn't mean you give up quality players. How often do two quality starting players get traded for expiring contracts? Maybe in a multi-team deal, but I doubt they'd get Artest and Bibby. Shaq's huge contract is what's holding them back, they can only make minor moves. And by breaking up the great chemistry they had with GP, Posey, Kapono, and co., not much is going to change. I'm not bitter about the Mavericks losing to the Heat, but these guys just aren't that good this year. They aren't winning. The Kings aren't pushing the panic button just yet, if they were, they'd have traded Bibby and Artest already, they had all of last year to do that. IF ANYONE, they'd get rid of Bibby/Brad Miller/Moore, and any bad contracts. None of those players would sign with the Kings, Baron is on a playoff team, Brand and Maggette are key to a very strong Clippers team, Marion would be a fool to leave the Suns, Jamison if anywhere will go to a contender, and Gilbert won't leave Caron, and if he does, it will be to a contender. Smush's contract is two years, and Mark Blount's is multiple as well.

JapanAir21's Dallas Mavericks know that if this trade goes down and could happen if both teams wake up and make it happen, the Heat will be a force again in the East and if Dallas some how miraculously makes it to the Finals the Heat might be there and you, the Mavericks do not want to see D Wade and the Heat in any championship game.

Homie, that trade wouldn't happen. OH YEAH? Well Mavericks would trade Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse for Kobe Bryant and then they'd trade Jason Terry and all the rest of their scrubs for Dwight Howard and then you wouldn't wanna see them in a championship game!

. EVEN IF that trade happened, they'd have a hell of a time trying to go through Detroit and Boston. And just for the record, I'd take a chemistry driven Mavericks squad versus your fantasy Heat squad, because they just aren't that good anymore.



First, I just want to state that your Mavericks were apart of the biggest upset of all sports, last year in the first round.

Well Mavericks would trade Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse for Kobe Bryant and then they'd trade Jason Terry and all the rest of their scrubs for Dwight Howard



And those trades you made for your team were plain dumb they carry no weight what so ever. Your making dumb trades, oh lets trade scrubs for thebest player in the NBA and lets aslo trade some more scrubs for the best player of the future.
Your being ******ed.

Ron Artest and Mike Bibby have been in trade rumors for the past two years, so why not save some time and get rid of both of them in one deal.

You act like Artest and Bibby are the best players in the world. The reason the trades haven't been going down???--- well lets see the Kings wont tradethem to the West, so that leaves half of the trade partners gone. And who in the East could use these 2---none except for the Cavs and thats just Bibby. TheCavs don't want to give up or have anything good to give up. So the Kings are smarter than just to give away these 2 players for nothing or worst bigcontracts in return. The trade I proposed actually makes sense and most of all it works out salary cap wise and the interest of both teams.
Why are you talking about Kapono???
This guy did not have any part on the championship team. Dude was stuck on the bench for the entire playoffs. He contributed as much as I did.

You stated:

How often do two quality starting players get traded for expiring contracts?


Um I do believe that Orlando Magic traded Steve Francis to New York Knicks for what??EXPIRING CONTRACT like Penny Hardway and Trevor Ariza. Wowwho would trade an All-star PG for a bum and a bust. Lets see what the experts from espn say:
For the Magic, the trade will provide salary cap relief in 2007 (once Grant Hill's $16.9 million comes off the cap) when they can drop further beneath the capthan any of the league's 30 teams. That will be particularly attractive that summer when a bumper crop of free agents -- including Paul Pierce, ChaunceyBillups, Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter and MikeBibby -- will be on the market, giving Orlando several options in figuring out exactly how to rebuild around 20-year-old power forward Dwight Howard.
So now we're in the future and what do you know the Magic have signed one of the players above - named Rashard Lewis.

As you can see it is not rare for a player to be traded for an expiring contract.
The trade rumors have been Bibby for J Will
Other trade rumors have Artest for Davis and a pick
Why not out put these two rumors together, that's what I did, be smart don't be ******, you gonna take advice from somebody, who cheers forDallas

 

[japanair21]

First, I just want to state that your Mavericks were apart of the biggest upset of all sports, last year in the first round.


Yeah, but one thing, we're not complete trash right now. The Mavericks are still a top-caliber team. If your comparing the Heat to the Mavericks right now,you need to take a look at the rosters, and how well each team is doing. Yeah, we're not at the top of the West right now, but hey, at least were not doingas bad as the Knicks, like, oh, some team. Blame it whatever you want, Wade's not the same, Shaq's not healthy, whatever, but the Heat just aren'tthat good.

And those trades you made for your team were plain dumb they carry no weight what so ever. Your making dumb trades, oh lets trade scrubs for the best player in the NBA and lets aslo trade some more scrubs for the best player of the future.

Your being ******ed.

Ron Artest and Mike Bibby have been in trade rumors for the past two years, so why not save some time and get rid of both of them in one deal.


So has Kobe Bryant. He was in trade talks for the mavericks, rumors are rumors, big deal. The entire point of me making those farfetched deals were to pointhow out farfetched yours are.

Why are you talking about Kapono???
This guy did not have any part on the championship team. Dude was stuck on the bench for the entire playoffs. He contributed as much as I did.


Kapono is a key piece missing on the Heat, just because you aren't a star player doesn't mean that you are worthless to a team. Think of why the Spursare so successful, they can win without Parker or Duncan. Their depth is fantastic, as well as their chemistry, both what the Heat had.

m I do believe that Orlando Magic traded Steve Francis to New York Knicks for what??EXPIRING CONTRACT like Penny Hardway and Trevor Ariza. Wow who would trade an All-star PG for a bum and a bust. Lets see what the experts from espn say:


Who are you saying are two quality players? Ariza and Penny? Hell no. Penny hasn't been good for 10 years, and Ariza was a non-factor for Orlando. AndSteve Francis? Please. He hasn't been good since his first run with the Rockets. What I meant was trading two quality players on the same team to anotherteam, and Ariza and Penny hardly stack up against Bibby and Artest.

Yeah, you're right about the Magic situation, but you sorta forgot a few things, Rashards contract is ridiculously huge, and there's somewhere therenamed Dwight Howard, you might have heard of him, yeah he's pretty good, he's going to dominate the NBA @ the Center position for years to come. TheMagic were a playoff team last year. Now compare that to the Kings, they aren't a playoff team, they haven't been for a few seasons, the best playerthey have is Kevin Martin, who is a great scorer, but how often does rebuilding around a single solo-scorer go for a player who is one-dimensional. Sacramentowould have been a place people want to go to about 6 years ago, but in the day and age, I can't see how that's a capable suitor. It's like wantingto sign with Atlanta, you can sign a few big names, but if your going to rebuild around somebody, it doesn't give you much wiggle room to make a good team.

The trade rumors have been Bibby for J Will
Other trade rumors have Artest for Davis and a pick
Why not out put these two rumors together, that's what I did, be smart don't be ******, you gonna take advice from somebody, who cheers for Dallas


Rumors? so your basing your argument on rumors, in the NBA of all places, where rumors happen every 1/.01

Please, if your going to try and have a debate man, don't be biased. I know the Mavericks probably aren't the best team in the League, but if yourcomparing the Heat to the Mavericks, it's a lost cause. The Mavericks are no where near-rebuilding phase, and you're entire argument is based off anon-plausible trade which won't happen.

 

[miamipinoyboy]

Yeah, but one thing, we're not complete trash right now. The Mavericks are still a top-caliber team. If your comparing the Heat to the Mavericks right now, you need to take a look at the rosters, and how well each team is doing. Yeah, we're not at the top of the West right now, but hey, at least were not doing as bad as the Knicks, like, oh, some team. Blame it whatever you want, Wade's not the same, Shaq's not healthy, whatever, but the Heat just aren't that good.

1st - Okay I never said that the Heat are better than the Mavs right now. Im just letting you know that your team is one of the highest paid and mosttalented in the entire league and yall got woop 4 games in a row by a stud named D Wade in the Finals, then the following year, when yall needed to redeemyourselves, you go and get you butts handed to you by an 8th seed.

By the way, no one pick the Heat to win their division this year and were predicted to get the 8th seed in the playoffs this year, so the Heat struggling isnot anything new and is expected.

Wade's not the same

D Wade not the same????

Dude is averaging 24+ pts per game 5th in the league. And is 6th among leaders in points+assists+rebounds in the entire league.

So has Kobe Bryant. He was in trade talks for the mavericks, rumors are rumors, big deal. The entire point of me making those farfetched deals were to point how out farfetched yours are.

2nd - The Kobe trade rumors were just like KGs. Both players were on the trading table, but were asking for lots of young talent in return like Gordon andDeng/ Jefferson, Telfair,Gerald Green, and Gomes. The Kings are looking to get rid of this big contracts that are not going to be in the franchise future. Tothink that Bibby and Artest are in the same category as Kobe you really are on some stuff.

Kapono is a key piece missing on the Heat, just because you aren't a star player doesn't mean that you are worthless to a team. Think of why the Spurs are so successful, they can win without Parker or Duncan. Their depth is fantastic, as well as their chemistry, both what the Heat had.

3rd - Your still on this Kapono guy. Your talking about role players. OKAY. Those were Mourning, Payton, & Posey. The Heat won the Championship the2005-2006 season. Right??

So lets take a look at Kapono's playoff stats that year, the Championship year:
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Wow he got in 1 game out of the entire playoff games that year. And played a total of 2 mins. Thats some good depth. Wow thank God we had Kapono, the Heatmight not have won the championship!!!

Who are you saying are two quality players? Ariza and Penny? Hell no. Penny hasn't been good for 10 years, and Ariza was a non-factor for Orlando. And Steve Francis? Please. He hasn't been good since his first run with the Rockets. What I meant was trading two quality players on the same team to another team, and Ariza and Penny hardly stack up against Bibby and Artest.
I called Penny a bum and Ariza a bust. How did you assume that I meant they were two quality players???? You said that good players don't gettraded for expiring contracts, I basically brought up facts that this does happen. A good player - Steve Francis and a expiring contract - Penny Hardway nowthat was one good player for one expiring contract, the Heat are offering two expired contracts for two good players with big contracts. 1+1=2, 2+2=4

Please, if your going to try and have a debate man, don't be biased. I know the Mavericks probably aren't the best team in the League, but if your comparing the Heat to the Mavericks, it's a lost cause. The Mavericks are no where near-rebuilding phase, and you're entire argument is based off a non-plausible trade which won't happen.
For the second time, Ive never compared the Mavs with the Heat this year. I said that the Heat need to make this trade in order to have a run atsomething other than the 1st pick in the draft.
You must be confused, when I said that this trade would give us a roster that would be able to contend for an NBA championship
This would make you mad because you, the Mavs are trying to win the championship, Right? and you dont want there being any chance that you could see D Wade,because thats like see Jordan in the Finals in the 90s

 

[fede dpt]

Face it man, the Heat suck. Without a Shaq type player this team goes nowhere, I dont care how good Wizzle is. Reason being, even if you do make those tradesDetroit, Boston, Orlando and a Colangelo run Raptors squad would still be better.

 

[japanair21]

1st - Okay I never said that the Heat are better than the Mavs right now. Im just letting you know that your team is one of the highest paid and most talented in the entire league and yall got woop 4 games in a row by a stud named D Wade in the Finals, then the following year, when yall needed to redeem yourselves, you go and get you butts handed to you by an 8th seed.

By the way, no one pick the Heat to win their division this year and were graciously given the 8th seed in the playoffs this year, so the Heat struggling is not anything new.


Then there's no need for you to take shots at the Mavericks, I didn't bring them into this.

D Wade not the same????

Dude is averaging 24+ pts per game 5th in the league. And is 6th among leaders in points+assists+rebounds in the entire league.


He can't win games anymore for the Heat.

2nd - The Kobe trade rumors were just like KGs. Both players were on the trading table, but were asking for lots of young talent in return like Gordon and Deng/ Jefferson, Telfair,Gerald Green, and Gomes. The Kings are looking to get rid of this big contracts that are not going to be in the franchise future. To think that Bibby and Artest are in the same category as Kobe you really are on some stuff.


My point is that rumors are just that, rumors, all a bunch of talk.

3rd - Your still on this Kapono guy. Your talking about role players. OKAY. Those were Mourning, Payton, & Posey. The Heat won the Championship the 2005-2006 season. Right??


Kapono averaged a good 10 points per game last year, stop going on-and-on about the Finals, point is, the Heat were still a decent team last year, theyweren't bottom-feeders like they are this year. Why? It's not just Shaq, Wade, and whoever else you want to but the blame on this year, it's theroster changes.

I called Penny a bum and Ariza a bust. How did you assume that I meant they were two quality players???? You said that good players don't get traded for expiring contracts, I basically brought up facts that this does happen. A good player - Steve Francis and a expiring contract - Penny Hardway now that was one good player for one expiring contract, the Heat are offering two expired contracts for two good players with big contracts. 1+1=2, 2+2=4


You tried to contradict my point by giving that example of a trade... here's the original quote:

How often do two quality starting players get traded for expiring contracts?

Um I do believe that Orlando Magic traded Steve Francis to New York Knicks for what??EXPIRING CONTRACT like Penny Hardway and Trevor Ariza. Wow who would trade an All-star PG for a bum and a bust. Lets see what the experts from espn say:


Expiring contracts for one team is different for expiring contracts for another year, oh and, Steve Francis wasn't good, he scored yeah, but he hadhorrible shooting %, and the Magic weren't good. If you got a player like Steve Francis, he's the only option you have.

For the second time, Ive never compared the Mavs with the Heat this year. I said that the Heat need to make this trade in order to have a run at something other than the 1st pick in the draft.
You must be confused, when I said that this trade would give us a roster that would be able to contend for an NBA championship
This would make you mad because you, the Mavs are trying to win the championship, Right? and you dont want there being any chance that you could see D Wade, because thats like see Jordan in the Finals in the 90s


As I was saying, I'm not making my debate as a Mavericks fan, I'm making it as a fan of Basketball, that trade is not plausible. Artest is fine wherehe is, and if he wants to make money he can get an extension from the Kings, one for much more than the Heat can offer him under their budget. If anyone, Bibbywill get traded, but even that's not enough for the Heat to be contenders again. I'll be damned if both Artest and Bibby are traded. As I said before,that team your proposing wouldn't beat the Pistons/Celtics.