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Duncan FTW!
#1 Of The Post Jordan Era: Shaq or Duncun
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lionel messi
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Why does every basketball post now have to somehow involve either Kobe or the Golden State Warriors?
The OP asked Duncan or Shaq? Obviously you have to mention Kobe when talking about Shaq's rings but it isn't Duncan vs. Kobe vs. Shaq.
I think Duncan is the most successful player in the post-Michael Jordan era. He's won 4 titles as the superstar of the team. He has had a greatsupporting cast with guys such as Manu, Parker and David Robinson (although he was declining) but Duncan has always been the undisputed best player on histeam. He's still in his early-30s and has a chance to win 2-3 more titles.
Shaq has been amazing as well but the 3-rings he won with the Lakers are split 50/50 with Kobe. The title with Miami was mostly D-Wade.
The OP asked Duncan or Shaq? Obviously you have to mention Kobe when talking about Shaq's rings but it isn't Duncan vs. Kobe vs. Shaq.
I think Duncan is the most successful player in the post-Michael Jordan era. He's won 4 titles as the superstar of the team. He has had a greatsupporting cast with guys such as Manu, Parker and David Robinson (although he was declining) but Duncan has always been the undisputed best player on histeam. He's still in his early-30s and has a chance to win 2-3 more titles.
Shaq has been amazing as well but the 3-rings he won with the Lakers are split 50/50 with Kobe. The title with Miami was mostly D-Wade.
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O' Rly didn't he go 9-20 in game 5?
When he as the MAN he did. So after he left the Lakers the rule no longer applied. And I do believe we are no longer in the Post Jordan Era.
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My vote is for Duncan.
But for the thread starter, I dont see how you can possibly make this post and not include Kobe. I hate the Lakers so there is no bias here. But you based thisquestion on four different criteria, and every single one of them Kobe more than qualifies at.
Dominance? Check.
Consistency? Check.
Rings? Check
Ability? Check
I am sorry, as much as I like this question, if is completely foolish to not include the Mamba.
But for the thread starter, I dont see how you can possibly make this post and not include Kobe. I hate the Lakers so there is no bias here. But you based thisquestion on four different criteria, and every single one of them Kobe more than qualifies at.
Dominance? Check.
Consistency? Check.
Rings? Check
Ability? Check
I am sorry, as much as I like this question, if is completely foolish to not include the Mamba.
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2000 Shaq (MVP year/first year of the Lakers three peat) quite possibly was the best individual year in terms of sheer dominance that I've ever seen. Evenbetter than Jordan's 89 year. If Shaq played at that level during that year in particular for a couple more years, this would not even be close. He stillwas a dominant player in the last two chips of the Lakers three peat, but ofcourse beyond that he began to slouch during the regular season unlike before andsit out for some pretty petty injuries/Held off off-season surgery etc. That's why he doesn't have as many MVP's as he should.
Duncan has always been more stable defensivly though. That really is the only edge that he had on Prime Shaq, however.
In the end, number of rings will dictate who takes the number 1 spot. Today, Shaq is well past his prime and simply not an effective force anymore. Duncan isstill in the back-end of his prime, and is currently in prime(no pun) posistion to clip Shaq in the rings department. So we'll see. Right now, it'sstill Shaq.
Duncan has always been more stable defensivly though. That really is the only edge that he had on Prime Shaq, however.
In the end, number of rings will dictate who takes the number 1 spot. Today, Shaq is well past his prime and simply not an effective force anymore. Duncan isstill in the back-end of his prime, and is currently in prime(no pun) posistion to clip Shaq in the rings department. So we'll see. Right now, it'sstill Shaq.
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You clearly didn't read my WHOLE first post
Not only does Kobe have the LEAST amount of rings of the 3; he ALSO played a semi-supporting role for ALL 3 of his rings. His 3 rings CAN NOT count as muchas Shaq's 3 rings that he had in LA.
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Duncan, no contest. He's got many years left, isn't as injury prone as Shaq, and his team has not missed the playoffs since he was drafted. He's aproven winner.
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Another question; LOGICALLY how can ANYONE put Kobe above TD or Shaq? I mean WHAT evidence would one have to support that claim? NOTHING. So LEAVING Kobeout of the equation really isn't and shouldn't be an issue considering NOTHING he has doen is more than what EITHER one of those dudes have done
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Shaq has went to 6 finals and won 4 rings. He played against very good centers in their PRIME during his career. He's played MJ's bulls during theirtitle runs. I still see shaq as the better player. The only real competition Duncan has played against is Shaq and the aging superstars of the 90s.
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Shaq. At his best, no one was better.
xtapolapacetl
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Kobe
That's right... Create more hate for Kobe with ridiculous statements such as this and then b!tch when you see someone hating on Kobe next time.
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Shaq in his prime
uncan, but Duncan has the ability to extend his career slightly longer IMO
uncan, but Duncan has the ability to extend his career slightly longer IMO
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RealGM had an article related to this recently..
http://realgm.com/src_feature_article/167/20080425/history_of_duncan_vs_shaq/
http://realgm.com/src_feature_article/167/20080425/history_of_duncan_vs_shaq/
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duncan easily
basketball iq + consistency > dominance
basketball iq + consistency > dominance
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Bruh, you should change the thread title to something like: Best Big Man In The Post Jordan Era.... Or Best Player In The Post Jordan Era
Otherwise, this is considered a player a vs player b thread since you only gave two choices.
Otherwise, this is considered a player a vs player b thread since you only gave two choices.
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Shaq
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Well excuse ME for having a perfectly reasonable opinion that differs from the norm...
.... And how do you have to be biased to think it's Kobe? Irealize that this forum is polluted equally with Kobe hate and love, but I've done neither. He just happens to be the guy that I think has been the bestplayer since Him and I've presented my case, right or wrong. This thread is like asking, "What's the best album since Illmatic, Reasonable Doubtor Ready to Die?", only to get mad when I say The Blueprint. I'm outta here..
EDIT: and one more thing.... WHY do ppl act like Kobe was Shaq's sidekick? They were the NBA equivilent to Outkast -- a PURE duo. They fed off ofeachother equally, just as both have suffered equally in the absense of a similar player. Like I said, look at the numbers. Kobe put up the same numbers ALLSEASON that D-wade put up in hi Finals MVP series. How can you HONESTLY call the YOUNG Kobe a tag-along Champ when he was doing the same stuff, at the same ageas D-Wade?
EDIT: and one more thing.... WHY do ppl act like Kobe was Shaq's sidekick? They were the NBA equivilent to Outkast -- a PURE duo. They fed off ofeachother equally, just as both have suffered equally in the absense of a similar player. Like I said, look at the numbers. Kobe put up the same numbers ALLSEASON that D-wade put up in hi Finals MVP series. How can you HONESTLY call the YOUNG Kobe a tag-along Champ when he was doing the same stuff, at the same ageas D-Wade?
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Duncun?
Anyways, I would have to go with Tim Duncan. And anyone who thinks Kobe was as important as Shaq during the Lakers' championship years needs to compare theteam's record without Shaq to the record without Kobe.
Anyways, I would have to go with Tim Duncan. And anyone who thinks Kobe was as important as Shaq during the Lakers' championship years needs to compare theteam's record without Shaq to the record without Kobe.
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Dude, just include Kobe in the discussion. Kobe fans saw the word "Jordan" in the title and...
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Not sidekicks but he wasn't the #1 option. There is NO arguing that
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Snaq, easily.
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it's not like td is a great ft shooter. there are many big men who can't shoot ft but still called one of the best aka wilt.
as of right now, shaq ranks higher in terms of all-time.
but after mj era, which is 1999, duncan put up better number since then.
shaq entered the league before 1999, and if his numbers before 1999 don't count, then TD > SHAQ.
as of right now, shaq ranks higher in terms of all-time.
but after mj era, which is 1999, duncan put up better number since then.
shaq entered the league before 1999, and if his numbers before 1999 don't count, then TD > SHAQ.
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Originally Posted by DearWinter219
Kobe:
3 rings, MVP, numerous first team nods, first steam defender, single best player in the league all around, COMPARABLE to MJ, 81 points, 40-point game streak, most 3s in a game, and still < 30 years old
along for the ride?
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 0.417 0.375 0.819 0.7 1.2 1.9 1.3 0.7 0.3 1.58 1.40 7.6 97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 0.428 0.341 0.794 1.0 2.1 3.1 2.5 0.9 0.5 1.99 2.30 15.4 98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 0.465 0.267 0.839 1.1 4.2 5.3 3.8 1.4 1.0 3.14 3.10 19.9 99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 0.468 0.319 0.821 1.6 4.7 6.3 4.9 1.6 0.9 2.76 3.30 22.5 00-01 LAL 68 68 40.9 0.464 0.305 0.853 1.5 4.3 5.9 5.0 1.7 0.6 3.24 3.30 28.5 01-02 LAL 80 80 38.3 0.469 0.250 0.829 1.4 4.1 5.5 5.5 1.5 0.4 2.79 2.90 25.2 02-03 LAL 82 82 41.5 0.451 0.383 0.843 1.3 5.6 6.9 5.9 2.2 0.8 3.51 2.70 30.0 03-04 LAL 65 64 37.6 0.438 0.327 0.852 1.6 3.9 5.5 5.1 1.7 0.4 2.63 2.70 24.0 04-05 LAL 66 66 40.7 0.433 0.339 0.816 1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 1.3 0.8 4.09 2.60 27.6 05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 0.450 0.347 0.850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.90 35.4
Those are "riding" numbers? I guess... Peep the playoff statline on D-Wade for the 05-06 season
Wade does 28-6-6 an gets finals MVP but Kobe does 29-6-5 (in '01) and gets to "ride with Shaq" to the ring... OK
05-06 MIA 23 23 41.7 0.497 0.378 0.808 1.2 4.7 5.9 5.7 2.2 1.1 3.91 3.10 28.4
We know youre a Kobe/Lakers fan but Kobe didn't carry anything when shaq put up these numbers
| Year | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3P% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 99-00 | LAL | 79 | 79 | 40.0 | 0.574 | 0.000 | 0.524 | 4.3 | 9.4 | 13.6 | 3.8 | 0.5 | 3.0 | 2.82 | 3.20 | 29.7 |
| 00-01 | LAL | 74 | 74 | 39.5 | 0.572 | 0.000 | 0.513 | 3.9 | 8.8 | 12.7 | 3.7 | 0.6 | 2.8 | 2.95 | 3.50 | 28.7 |
| 01-02 | LAL | 67 | 66 | 36.1 | 0.579 | 0.000 | 0.555 | 3.5 | 7.2 | 10.7 | 3.0 | 0.6 | 2.0 | 2.55 | 3.00 | 27.2 |
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Shaq's impact went WAYYYYY beyond any numbers.
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gotta go with Timmy
