*'11-'12 LAKERS Thread; 41-25* 1st Rd: DEN (go to 1st Rd. Thread)

[rocathajordans23]

Originally Posted by AllRedJs

possible to get d12 and cp3????

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d8gpmza

 in a perfect world!!

 

[SORIANOTRON]

Originally Posted by mrdieselfuel09

Get outta here with the Barrea talk, dudes a bum.Barrea isn't going to do anything for this team. Anyone that wants him only fell in love because of how he destroyed the Lakers defense last year in the playoffs. Brooks>>Barrea.

WORD.
And it wasn't just JJ, every teams PG destroyed our D, its no secret fish was the weakest link last year....teams exploited the hell outta that

+ JJ is a LIABILITY on defense, its so easy for other pg's to score at will on his lil **+

 

[gaseousfashion]

Wish we could get CP3 and D12 w/o giving up Gasol.

We can dream.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Barea isn't all that great. We have a tendency to make mediocre back up point guards look like all-star caliber players. He killed us last year because we couldn't handle quick players. Earl Boykins looked like a hall of famer when we played the Bucks last year. Hell, isn't that the same reason we picked up Steve Blake because he posted a triple double against us? Same reason. Barea is fool's gold. Call me crazy, but I'd be content with Baron on our team. But that should be our last resort. Aaron Brooks would be awesome. 

 

[PatRiley]

Ricky Rubio would be perfect for the lakers IMO, but its a longshot

 

[frenchblue23]

Originally Posted by gaseousfashion

Wish we could get CP3 and D12 w/o giving up Gasol.

We can dream.

Lakers can't afford all the players they have now, let alone Paul and Dwight.
Only way I see Dwight leaving is via free agency.  Orlando is gonna want too much in return, but we'll see. 

 

[mr j 858]

Just a couple things about the NBA's new CBA. Yes it got stricter and has heavier fines for big market teams like the Lakers that exceed the salary cap every year. But a soft cap is still in place and you can still work out sign & trade deals to get superstars like Dwight Howard or Chris Paul. $$$ is not an issue and won't be for the next 25 years for the Lakers with their new Regional TV Network deal with Time Warner Cable which is worth $5 Billion and averages out to $150 to $200 million per season.
Read this article below:

Lakers still have 5 billion reasons to believe





Congratulations, NBA owners. $3 billion!

You can rightly celebrate, because $3 billion is one heck of a haul to jerk from the players' side to yours, as is projected over the course of the new 10-year collective bargaining agreement.

But, um, how much are the Lakers – all by themselves – getting from Time Warner Cable for its new regional sports networks?

$5 billion.

I'd add a "Cha-ching!" sound effect, but no one is fitting $5 billion in any cash register.

That $5 billion is over 25 years – or it'll be merely $4 billion over 20 years if the future option isn't exercised. It has been widely and wrongly reported as less.

Let's pause and appreciate how much money one club, starting next season, will get per year all to itself just from local TV: $200 million ... when Forbes values the entire Milwaukee Bucks franchise at $258 million.

It leads to a very good question: whether the NBA's new supposedly prohibitive luxury-tax penalties to start in 2013 are really going to stop the Lakers from continuing to throw money at their problems – because they've solved a lot of them very well that way without having this new billionaire boys' club.

Well, there is a little thing called revenue sharing that has largely been forgotten while the players and owners have been arm-wrestling. The terms haven't been hammered out by the owners yet, but it is understood the large-market handouts are increasing ... exponentially.

And those new penalties are plenty severe – particularly the extra dollar charged if a club is a taxpayer four out of five years. The Lakers' 2010-11 $20 million tax bill would swell to $45 million under the new rules. Add the extra dollar as a regular taxpayer, and to field the sort of team the Lakers just did, you're looking at writing a $65 million check – for a lot of nothing in return when you get swept in the second round.

If you can win a championship and maintain the cachet that the Lakers' brand holds, though, maybe it can be worth it. That's a call the Lakers will have to make – or more accurately, hope they get to make – in the future.

Jim Buss said with a laugh while sitting next to his dad back in November 2009 that Jerry "yells at me every day, basically, for the payroll." So far, Jim has shown no reluctance to roll high as he takes the franchise forward.

But if things get worse before better, the Lakers could find themselves in rebuilding mode come 2013 and not even have to answer their door when that big, bad taxman starts to make his rounds.

If the Lakers don't win a championship this season, the first numbers that will be looked at aren't going to be the financial ones. They'll be the player ages. And basic logic tells you that Andrew Bynum is coveted by Jim Buss and is not old, and Kobe Bryant is getting old but has a no-trade clause and unique hometown value – so Pau Gasol, what is there to say?

Gasol, who by season's end will have played 14 seasons of professional basketball (not even counting all those Spanish national-team summers), does have a 15 percent trade kicker in his contract. Whether he could help bring Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwight Howard in trade is another conversation for another day.

Bear in mind, though, what fascination Jim Buss had once upon a time with re-energizing the Lakers by landing LeBron James, Yao Ming or Amar'e Stoudemire to pair with Bryant. So yes, the Lakers will be having those superstar-enticing summits someday.

For now, the hope is that Gasol has returned the Kwame Brown costume he wore during the last playoffs, Bynum has arrived as Howard's only peer in the pivot and Bryant has indeed built himself a bionic right knee. Those possibilities are why it makes sense for the Lakers not to burn their amnesty provision on Metta World Peace for at least a year and probably two – seeing if Mike Brown can recalibrate him the way he did in his first year as the Indiana Pacers' defensive coordinator in 2003-04, when Ron Artest was the NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

How helpful would it be to have someone like that crazy but crazy-good Artest guy in the final two rounds of this season again Kevin Durant and LeBron James?

And if it all goes that well, maybe we're having entirely different conversations when it's time to talk tax come 2013.

Maybe we're talking about contract extensions for Bryant and Gasol, but at lower salaries to keep a championship-quality team together with the All-Star Bynum. That was, remember, what the Lakers wanted to explore with Shaquille O'Neal, but he wanted no part of bringing down his league-high salary – triggering his 2004 trade to Miami.

Maybe we're talking about how it's absolutely worth it to the Buss family to burn that Time Warner money on unprecedented luxury taxes and keep surfing a killer wave. The Lakers certainly have not looked at the coming penalty system, cowered like Laker Girls with the ball bouncing their way and ruled out anteing up.

There are simply a myriad of trifles on which this all could turn in the coming year or two.

What we do know is that Jerry Buss stuck with his fellow owners during the lockout negotiations, and he'll soon be settling up with them separately on this revenue sharing. When he's done doing what has to be done so he has a league to play in, he can stop and take a good look around.

What he'll see is that he still has a soft-cap system and now has an epic regional sports deal. That is a combination which at least allows for the possibility the old Wyoming cowboy in him goes on continuing swinging those frayed-jeans cuffs and kicking fellow owners' butts.

It certainly won't be as easy as before, but be sure to tune in to the all-new Lakers HD network – and the sister station that will be the nation's first Spanish-language regional sports channel – to see how it all shakes out!

Link:

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/lakers-329235-billion-new.html

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by Night Marcher01

Hai Guise!

Sup brah! Laker season is upon us. 

 

[mrdieselfuel09]

Fantasy League?

 

[mrdieselfuel09]

[h3][/h3]

[h3]Jim Buss Finally Open To Dealing Bynum[/h3]
Dec 01, 2011 12:35 AM EST

Jim Buss has finally has dropped his opposition to trading Andrew Bynum "for the right deal", according to a source.

That right deal would almost certainly mean Dwight Howard, who is believed to be highly interested in joining the Lakers.

Some in the agent community have speculated that Bynum may not be the player Orlando would want and that a three-way trade involving Andrew Bogut could be consummated.

This can't be life.

 

[nermindee]

amnesty clause! if they use it, who should it be? from what Ive been reading and
hearing, its between meta and walton...

 

[moneymike9]

Save it this year, then use it in the succeeding years for Metta.

If they really want to use it this season, cut Blake...Metta can be useful still, and just hope & pray Luke retires

 

[misterp0315]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

Originally Posted by KOD843

I see J.J. Barea is a free agent. He'd be a small upgrade over Blake, that's for sure![h6][/h6]

A small upgrade? I think it would be a HUGE upgrade. But I can't stand Blake, and I love Barea.

Blake was awful last year.

I'd much rather have Barea. He's a change of pace player. Blake is just...there.

 

[tupac003]

Originally Posted by mrdieselfuel09

[h3][/h3]

[h3]Jim Buss Finally Open To Dealing Bynum[/h3]
Dec 01, 2011 12:35 AM EST

Jim Buss has finally has dropped his opposition to trading Andrew Bynum "for the right deal", according to a source.

That right deal would almost certainly mean Dwight Howard, who is believed to be highly interested in joining the Lakers.

Some in the agent community have speculated that Bynum may not be the player Orlando would want and that a three-way trade involving Andrew Bogut could be consummated.

This can't be life.



Almost cried when I saw this...

I have always believed in Drew but if you can put Pau and Howard together with Kobe, you have to make that happen. Odom Bynum and ANYBODY else on the roster can go...

 

[VinMillerHearn58]

Originally Posted by mrdieselfuel09

[h3][/h3]

[h3]Jim Buss Finally Open To Dealing Bynum[/h3]
Dec 01, 2011 12:35 AM EST

Jim Buss has finally has dropped his opposition to trading Andrew Bynum "for the right deal", according to a source.

That right deal would almost certainly mean Dwight Howard, who is believed to be highly interested in joining the Lakers.

Some in the agent community have speculated that Bynum may not be the player Orlando would want and that a three-way trade involving Andrew Bogut could be consummated.

This can't be life.



Lets see if Jim Buss goes through with it though.

 

[CP1708]

I've been on that Bynum/Odom for D12 trade for 2 years, if it were to actually go down, the NBA would lockout again, and we would be voted off the island. 

 

The hate/panic/anger thrown our way would be at such an all time level, it would be fantastic. 

Zo would commit suicide

Doo would commit suicide 

Small market teams would blame us for everything 

Orlando would never speak to us again after Shaq, 09, and then Dwight 

And more free agents would come to play with Dwight after Kobe and Pau retire. 

The world would be perfect. 

 

[VinMillerHearn58]

Word is that we also reached out to Jamal Crawford. 

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by lakersreppa008

Originally Posted by mrdieselfuel09

[h3][/h3]

[h3]Jim Buss Finally Open To Dealing Bynum[/h3]
Dec 01, 2011 12:35 AM EST

Jim Buss has finally has dropped his opposition to trading Andrew Bynum "for the right deal", according to a source.

That right deal would almost certainly mean Dwight Howard, who is believed to be highly interested in joining the Lakers.

Some in the agent community have speculated that Bynum may not be the player Orlando would want and that a three-way trade involving Andrew Bogut could be consummated.

This can't be life.

Lets see if Jim Buss goes through with it though.

 that trade still wont help our main problems. a defensive point guard and shooters

 

[mr j 858]

D12 yes is a real possibilty he gets traded to us by the deadline.

CP3 is a real long shot and I think CP3 has already made up his mind and will go the Melo route to become a Knick.

Derron Williams would be nice but I just don't see it happening.

 

[VinMillerHearn58]

I've heard that the Lakers are interested in Shane Battier and Caron. How do you guys feel about those two?

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Battier would be a nice role player. Damn if they can keep Pau & get Howard? That would be nice... Mulletman (Jimbo Buss) might have some sense after all...

 

[loslakers24]

Originally Posted by lakersreppa008

I've heard that the Lakers are interested in Shane Battier and Caron. How do you guys feel about those two?

Both injury prone. Lakers need to get younger also.

 

[licensed to ball]

MrDiesel im down for a Laker-thread fantasy league. You should start one up.

 

[blacklion23]

No to Battier and Caron. As someone stated, the Lakers need to get younger. If we could get D. Howard that would be nice, but I'd rather get a PG like CP or Deron. I'd take Barea, better than what we currently have. I also agree the team needs some shooters. How you guys feel about Tayshaun?

 

[licensed to ball]

No Tayshaun either please. If we don't want Caron or Shane because of age and mobility, then we definitely don't want a declining Tayshaun either.
I want young, quick, mobile players added to this team.

Although i wouldnt mind signing Tay at a very cheap price, he'd be solid off the bench for us on defense.