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plan A - try to land lebron, melo, bosh
plan B - look at 2nd tier FA's and possible restricted FA's ( parsons, IT, monroe, hayward)
hayward signed an offer sheet so, hes a no go
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plan B - look at 2nd tier FA's and possible restricted FA's ( parsons, IT, monroe, hayward)
hayward signed an offer sheet so, hes a no go
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mosk33toe I'm not saying the Lakers ever stockpiled picks, or expect them to now. I don't expect them to, either.
Just saying why it's a good strategy, why it worked for the Celtics before, and why it puts them in a better position than us now.
That is your opinion and that is probably the opinion of many other people in this thread. However, I disagree.
Is it a good strategy? It is a strategy, one that sacrifices seasons in order to slowly build up your assets hoping they either develop into amazing players or you can pawn them off to a disgruntled star wanting to leave.
If these assets are so valuable, why haven't the Wolves traded Love for them? Why does it seem that all these big name players end up leaving in free agency rather than in trades?
I just think it is a strategy that requires a ton of patience and I think it is a risky strategy as well. Say we suck this year and up with a good pick next year and we have a team of Randle, New Pick, Kobe for cheap assuming he doesn't retire, and then a bunch of question marks. Will Westbrook and Durant really want to come to that? Will Lebron really want to jump whatever team he is on to start this project. It is way more enticing to stars knowing they have at least a decent group of players they will play with.
Either way, I respect your opinion and most of people on this board, unlike some people I don't see it as black and white, but I like to operate in the realm of reality, and I just don't see any way possible that the Lakers will be on board with tanking several years in order to trade their assets, it is way to risky for them.
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Because Flip wants to compete right away, not rebuild from (near) scratch. Hence why he is so adament about wanting Thompson to go with Lee.
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Because he's about to get 15 mil. But he would be a young asset, so we should look at him.
And it's funny almost anybody that we acquire is going to be overpaid, Jeff Green, Al Jefferson were still on pretty reasonable cap friendly deals (rookie deals) they were only able to make those trades cause they had a bunch of bad expiring deals to match salary (Wally, Theo Ratliff, etc.)
Parsons, Monroe, Lance and whoever else we try and get are going to be here at above their market value that may not match their production.
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What team that has a certified star doesn't want to compete right away.
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Also I wouldn't say the Celtics are rebuilding quickly. They haven't been legit contenders since 11/12, they still aren't and apparently they are throwing this year away so they are 2 years away at best
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Wait, what?
The question you posed is "why haven't the T'Wolves traded Love for them (assets)?" Well because Flip is delaying the inevitable. He wants to hit the ground running with the incumbent cast and whatever he hauls from Love. Not draft picks and youngsters.
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My point is that I would think more times than not teams would trade their stars for not just future talent but for other players that can perform right away
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Basketball reasons doesn't thinks so.
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Basketball reasons, can't defend anything with that
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Yo P, hope this isn't too much work but off the top of your head what the did the Pelicans get for the CP3 trade? Like as in what did the draft picks they receive become (or get traded for)?
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Austin Rivers.
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I just don't see why it's bad to get melo let's compete for these next 2 years for kobe if not sign a big FA when Kobes contract is up
Step by step off of what you just said. Not EVERYBODY, the established stars are. THEY are taking the cuts. Kyrie, Hayward, Bledsoe types, this is their first extension. They made no money off their rookie deals, so their next deal, they are getting what they can. Bron, Bosh, Wade, Dirk, Duncan, Parker, Manu, and hell, even Kobe if you want to use him technically, took less. (tho Kobe's really shouldn't count cuz his **** is ridiculous)
Anthony Davis won't take a paycut with his next contract, cuz he finally gets paid for real for the first time. His next contract, if the CBA isn't fixed, that might be where he takes some off the top to win.
Why do we have ONE year? Why didn't we START, last year? You know, like some of us were ******* saying to begin with?????????????
But beyond that, why do we have ONE year only? Is the NBA finished after 2015?
IF, we get lucky, and Mitch folds up his tent after Melo passes on us, and we land our pick back, we have Randle and that kid, then wait out Kobe's stupid contract. 2 young core guys, who make no money, and we have all the cap space in the world to now add. We could sign 3 max guys, I don't even care who, and now you have a nice 5 man group, and you fill out the bench from there. When it comes time for extensions with the 2 young guys, we can do that, because they are ours, and we're rich, as you guys love pointing out.
Now, for the millionth time, I am not lauding Orlando or Philly. Not for our situation. Do I like their set up as of today? Yes, of course. But I don't expect them to be real players cuz they will do something stupid eventually. New Orleans, lands Davis, throws money and Lotto picks for JRue and Tyreke.
Magic give Channing 32 mil, not crushing, but not wise either. But we're not lauding them for winning titles, we're lauding them for stacking assets, don't mean they will benefit from them.
Boston is not the same. They tore their team down THIS YEAR. The same horrible year we had, they had too. Last year they had Pierce Doc, and KG, this past year they didn't. ONE year, same as us. We came out with Randle, they came out with Smart, a young new coach, a Clippers pick, multiple Nets picks, a Cavs pick, and they still have a 28 year old Rondo, 23 year old Bradley, Sullinger, and James Young.
One year, the Celtics have all that.
We have Randle. And Kobe. And Clarkson.
Oh, and we have cap space. So does Boston......and they will have it for a loooooong while, because they will be paying rookie contracts to most of their team, they will always have cap space, until they either land Love, or start extending some of their picks in a few years.
Thing is, we are in year 1, they are in year 1, who the **** you think is doin better?
Not one time have ANY of us said we need to tank for 15 years, or 10 years, or even 5 years, one year. Just one. Don't max out a 30 year old Melo, and try to keep our pick. That's all. One year. (and I just thought of something else, I will make a new post for that, I will need some eyes for)
Compete for what? Who can knock us out in the first round the quickest? What would Melo and Kobe be competing for? With no defense and Byron Scott likely our coach, what are we competing for?
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Eww.
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P, Senor, E, Mamba......
Obviously the odds are long, but we need to flip Nash at the trade deadline.
We need a team that will want to clear cap for the 2015 offseason. We need a player with only one extra year, to come off when Kobe does. In the 9-10 million range. And that player comes with a pick.
What teams/players puts that in play with those factors?
Just glancing, Denver, maybe Wilson Chandler?
Memphis, Courtney Lee?
The Bucks, OJ Mayo?
Obviously the odds are long, but we need to flip Nash at the trade deadline.
We need a team that will want to clear cap for the 2015 offseason. We need a player with only one extra year, to come off when Kobe does. In the 9-10 million range. And that player comes with a pick.
What teams/players puts that in play with those factors?
Just glancing, Denver, maybe Wilson Chandler?
Memphis, Courtney Lee?
The Bucks, OJ Mayo?
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The Celtics are absolutely running a clinic on how to rebuild quick.
Traded their coach
Their aging stars
Buying up assets
And still have Rondo to flip for even more assets.
We have jack ******* ****.
And Celtic fans are happy as **** right now. While we beg Carmelo to take all our money.
The celtics have to run a clinic aint nobody ever want to sign with them. Nobody. Ever.
It hasn't even been asked yet, but we should get it done now.
When we beg Dwight, and he says no.
And now we beg Melo, and if he says no.......
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We gonna stay arrogant with our heads in the clouds, not tryin to gain assets that have no say when and where they are drafted? That our next play? Overpay even lesser talents than Melo?
Already a bid downgrade of player from Dwight, to Melo, who do we beg next? Paul Pierce? D-Wade?
Ironically (double checking) (Is this legit???????) Is.........Dwight really a free agent again the year Durant is? The year, after Kobe's deal is done? He got a 3 year deal, with a 4th year player option? 
So, we could get Randle, 2015 Top 5 pick, wait out Kobe, then offer top dollar to Durant and Dwight to come to LA and play with them (and together)? Holy **** that's too damn perfect.
Clearly impossible since we'll be paying Carmelo max money at the time along with Iasiah Thomas and whoever else accepts Mitch's free money.
When we beg Dwight, and he says no.
And now we beg Melo, and if he says no.......
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We gonna stay arrogant with our heads in the clouds, not tryin to gain assets that have no say when and where they are drafted? That our next play? Overpay even lesser talents than Melo?
Already a bid downgrade of player from Dwight, to Melo, who do we beg next? Paul Pierce? D-Wade?
Ironically (double checking) (Is this legit???????) Is.........Dwight really a free agent again the year Durant is?
The year, after Kobe's deal is done? He got a 3 year deal, with a 4th year player option? So, we could get Randle, 2015 Top 5 pick, wait out Kobe, then offer top dollar to Durant and Dwight to come to LA and play with them (and together)? Holy **** that's too damn perfect. Clearly impossible since we'll be paying Carmelo max money at the time along with Iasiah Thomas and whoever else accepts Mitch's free money.
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at the thought of Dwight coming back to the Lakers. The conflict in the crowd would be hilarious. Yall would want him to go 0/20 and still win a championship 
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Looks like Melo heading back to NY. LA has simply become a bargaining chip for superstars to get better deals elsewhere 
Now we are going to panic and overpay for mediocre free agents, I know it's coming.
Now we are going to panic and overpay for mediocre free agents, I know it's coming.
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Within Anthony's circle, belief's been this, sources tell Y: Get NY's $129M now, figure out destination later. You can always get a trade.
Within Anthony's circle, belief's been this, sources tell Y: Get NY's $129M now, figure out destination later. You can always get a trade.
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Dwight and KD. And I thought we were reaching, so you're ok with giving a 31 yr old Dwight 24+ mil? Just to be clear.
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