A healthy discussion about Pornography and Masculinity. vol. "GUYLAND" by M. Kimmel

[unkletomcruze]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze



In other words, most men watch porn because they implicitly connect and find arousing, the image of a man being masculine--being "powerful" and/or "in-charge". If you are willing to accept or even entertain this assumption/conclusion, then the next step is to admit the presence of a certain level of homosexual gratification (being thrilled at watching a man be powerful...to the point where you live vicariously through said man). Let's make no mistake about it, porn is largely a "guy" thing and it overtly and covertly normalizes some level of violence and/or antagonism against women.

Uh... i'll admit that I see a penis as more or less as just something thats there and is needed to have sex with the chick cause i'm mature enough to know what happens. BUT...don't get this twisted... I HAVE NOT been turned on by that %+%@.
I'm not gay. like AT ALL. Furthermore porn has ALWAYS been about the girls to me. Even before I had really started chasing chicks like that and I used to watch a few flicks I never had even considered anything homosexual. I don't think I could think about anything gay unless someone told me to visualize it. 

I see where you're coming from but I think its kinda false. Dudes being "masculine" haven't really influenced my additional viewing of porn. I think thats a pretty wild assumption. Plus even with the anonymity of the internet, you'd think I'd have something to hide with a position like this but not at all. 

Porn really does not conjure homosexual thoughts in my mind. Its always about the chick for me. If thats how it connected to you, by all means go ahead and see it that way, just know that I disagree with you. 

BTW, i should note that I fully support any gay agenda. I think they are just as much of citizens as we all are...however, I just couldn't ever bring myself to consider doing a gay act. 

It's a confusing point that I am trying to sort out.

It's not that you're gay, it more or less has to do with the idea that porn is a purely masculine venue. It's made for men, and consumed by men because porn reaffirms ones masculinity.

A Guyland, and all across patriarchal society, a part of ones masculinity is tied to how many women "you can put down," and/or how many inferior males you can subjugate. The latter point brings to mind the whole "alpha" male "beta" male dynamic. But that is a conversation for another day. The former point emphasizes the idea that one way an individual's masculinity is assessed and measured is via how many women he can dominate. And in GUYLAND, the domination of women is the ideal. It's what you're supposed to do.

But GUYLAND and reality are not remotely close entities. In reality, consensual sex is a mutual act. You have to take into consideration the emotional state and feelings of the woman in involved. And even when you do that, there is still the possibility that YOU DON'T RECIEVE sex. This is a blow to ones masculinity, this is a severe blow in a man raised in culture that has led men to believe that they are entitled to sex.

This is where porn comes in. In porn, there is no denial or refusal. The woman is there to please YOU and only YOU. She is not there to challenge or strike down at your masculinity, She is there to comply. Instant gratification. She is there to re-affirm your masculinity, your power, your domination.

And she does that. But the thing is, IT IS NOT ABOUT HER and NEVER WAS ABOUT HER. It was all bout you ad a man and the catering to your masculinity. In this sense, the sexual act is deviod of feminine presence. As I am sure you've heard before, porn objectifies women, she is not there as a person. It's strictly You living vicariously through that male performer. That's where the homosexual element comes in. The sexual arousal is partly due to seeing a man "give that ___ what's coming to her". It's about watching a man, YOU, live up to masculinity of GUYLAND.

Like I said, my conclusions are harldly set in stone. It's just stuff that I am musing over. Still, much of GUYLAND is homosocial and women are only let into the clubhouse to throw away suspicion of homosexual tensions.

I understand its your "theory" but its wrong IMO. You're not hanging with the right girls if you think porn is only made for dudes. I know plenty of chicks that watch porn. 
I'm honestly seeing a lot more liberation, even in porn, of women. Women taking charge and are nastier and more into it than the dudes sometimes. 

I think you're referring to a sub genre of porn like S&M or something out of the ordinary... your run of the mill smash session is pretty equal among the sexes IMO. 

"I know of plenty of chick that watch porn"...classic argument, but it doesn't even remotely change the facts that porn is primarily made  for men, and primarily and largely consumed by men.

Make no mistake about it, for every female that watches consumes porn, there are 5+ more guys consuming it more.

Liberation? What's your definition of liberation? Surely you don't mean the exploitation of women. Just because a woman signs on the dotted line doesn't mean she made a "liberated" decision. Go ahead and look up the percentage of these liberated women who were at some point in their past victims of sexual assault and abuse by family members/close friends...etc.

By your logic, a prostitute is also a liberated woman correct? Because it's her choice to do what she does correct? This disregard for how these people got to this point, and the face value at which we as men willi-nilly accept this idea of "choice" is an artifact of living in a patriarchal society. It's like white privilege, except it gender privilege for males. We assume that most if not all these women make these choices because they desire these lifestyles. What we don't realize is that these assumptions are purely stereotypical of our desires as males. No woman in her right mind grows up wanting to be called a "w*ore" or a "b" or "sl*t". The fact that some of y'all believe other wise is proof that there is something dangerously wrong with our society and how we view women in it.

All porn is based on domination and submission, some through violent means, others not to apparent violent means. The violence is not just limited to "sub-genres".


...

 

[unkletomcruze]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze



In other words, most men watch porn because they implicitly connect and find arousing, the image of a man being masculine--being "powerful" and/or "in-charge". If you are willing to accept or even entertain this assumption/conclusion, then the next step is to admit the presence of a certain level of homosexual gratification (being thrilled at watching a man be powerful...to the point where you live vicariously through said man). Let's make no mistake about it, porn is largely a "guy" thing and it overtly and covertly normalizes some level of violence and/or antagonism against women.

Uh... i'll admit that I see a penis as more or less as just something thats there and is needed to have sex with the chick cause i'm mature enough to know what happens. BUT...don't get this twisted... I HAVE NOT been turned on by that %+%@.
I'm not gay. like AT ALL. Furthermore porn has ALWAYS been about the girls to me. Even before I had really started chasing chicks like that and I used to watch a few flicks I never had even considered anything homosexual. I don't think I could think about anything gay unless someone told me to visualize it. 

I see where you're coming from but I think its kinda false. Dudes being "masculine" haven't really influenced my additional viewing of porn. I think thats a pretty wild assumption. Plus even with the anonymity of the internet, you'd think I'd have something to hide with a position like this but not at all. 

Porn really does not conjure homosexual thoughts in my mind. Its always about the chick for me. If thats how it connected to you, by all means go ahead and see it that way, just know that I disagree with you. 

BTW, i should note that I fully support any gay agenda. I think they are just as much of citizens as we all are...however, I just couldn't ever bring myself to consider doing a gay act. 

It's a confusing point that I am trying to sort out.

It's not that you're gay, it more or less has to do with the idea that porn is a purely masculine venue. It's made for men, and consumed by men because porn reaffirms ones masculinity.

A Guyland, and all across patriarchal society, a part of ones masculinity is tied to how many women "you can put down," and/or how many inferior males you can subjugate. The latter point brings to mind the whole "alpha" male "beta" male dynamic. But that is a conversation for another day. The former point emphasizes the idea that one way an individual's masculinity is assessed and measured is via how many women he can dominate. And in GUYLAND, the domination of women is the ideal. It's what you're supposed to do.

But GUYLAND and reality are not remotely close entities. In reality, consensual sex is a mutual act. You have to take into consideration the emotional state and feelings of the woman in involved. And even when you do that, there is still the possibility that YOU DON'T RECIEVE sex. This is a blow to ones masculinity, this is a severe blow in a man raised in culture that has led men to believe that they are entitled to sex.

This is where porn comes in. In porn, there is no denial or refusal. The woman is there to please YOU and only YOU. She is not there to challenge or strike down at your masculinity, She is there to comply. Instant gratification. She is there to re-affirm your masculinity, your power, your domination.

And she does that. But the thing is, IT IS NOT ABOUT HER and NEVER WAS ABOUT HER. It was all bout you ad a man and the catering to your masculinity. In this sense, the sexual act is deviod of feminine presence. As I am sure you've heard before, porn objectifies women, she is not there as a person. It's strictly You living vicariously through that male performer. That's where the homosexual element comes in. The sexual arousal is partly due to seeing a man "give that ___ what's coming to her". It's about watching a man, YOU, live up to masculinity of GUYLAND.

Like I said, my conclusions are harldly set in stone. It's just stuff that I am musing over. Still, much of GUYLAND is homosocial and women are only let into the clubhouse to throw away suspicion of homosexual tensions.

I understand its your "theory" but its wrong IMO. You're not hanging with the right girls if you think porn is only made for dudes. I know plenty of chicks that watch porn. 
I'm honestly seeing a lot more liberation, even in porn, of women. Women taking charge and are nastier and more into it than the dudes sometimes. 

I think you're referring to a sub genre of porn like S&M or something out of the ordinary... your run of the mill smash session is pretty equal among the sexes IMO. 

"I know of plenty of chick that watch porn"...classic argument, but it doesn't even remotely change the facts that porn is primarily made  for men, and primarily and largely consumed by men.

Make no mistake about it, for every female that watches consumes porn, there are 5+ more guys consuming it more.

Liberation? What's your definition of liberation? Surely you don't mean the exploitation of women. Just because a woman signs on the dotted line doesn't mean she made a "liberated" decision. Go ahead and look up the percentage of these liberated women who were at some point in their past victims of sexual assault and abuse by family members/close friends...etc.

By your logic, a prostitute is also a liberated woman correct? Because it's her choice to do what she does correct? This disregard for how these people got to this point, and the face value at which we as men willi-nilly accept this idea of "choice" is an artifact of living in a patriarchal society. It's like white privilege, except it gender privilege for males. We assume that most if not all these women make these choices because they desire these lifestyles. What we don't realize is that these assumptions are purely stereotypical of our desires as males. No woman in her right mind grows up wanting to be called a "w*ore" or a "b" or "sl*t". The fact that some of y'all believe other wise is proof that there is something dangerously wrong with our society and how we view women in it.

All porn is based on domination and submission, some through violent means, others not to apparent violent means. The violence is not just limited to "sub-genres".


...

 

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

I don't know where all the mentioning of other types of porn came from but from that aspect I'd watch for the amazement and then never watch again. There's porn where a girl is just farting on cakes or getting golden showers. I don't see how fisting or bukkae scenes are violent. However, they do objectify women and that could lead to dudes who frequently view them treating women like shhh.

The only porn I'd think that tries to encourage or normalize violence is the one's where the chick is getting choked out at climax in them, snuff films, the ones where the guy beats up the girl before smashing, and the racist ones. Plus I guess bestiality.

But deranged porn where the ppl are pretending to be related or actual incest porn, or the one's where dudes are letting off in the chick's pupil doesn't come off as violent to me. Just mad nasty.

You don't see how "FISTING" is violent?

Seriously?

See this is exactly what is meant by porn normalizing violence against women. It's become so common place and accepted that people don't see how wrong it could be. I mean think about it, what is remotely normal about thrusting ones fist into a woman? You don't find that to be violent?

If you think that's ok, then I'm sure you see no problem with brooms or baseball bats then, correct? These instruments have actually been used in cases of sexual assault. But I guess it's a fist so it's cool...right?

... 

Wait we know what fisting is right? When the guy goes from 1 finger to all 5 to making a fist in to a female's vagina or butt? That's what I've come to know it as. Some females like big thing in their vagina vigorously going in and out. Some women thoroughly enjoy it. It's not done just by men to a woman either.

I mean what about women getting huge dildos put inside them? Is that violent too? I've seen some bigger than my fist.

Fisting is not a guy punching a chick in her uterus/fallopian tubes.

Right now you're not arguing whether it's a matter of violence. You just have a line you won't cross, find it not normal and label it violent. You're just arguing whether it's normal and acceptable not violent and if you don't find it normal or acceptable that's you. If thrusting your fist in a woman is violent then all sex must be violent cuz I'm not cautiously inserting my penis in to a woman and gingerly backing in and out. You thrust your penis in a woman. You talk about "a ____ getting what's coming to her" but some men actually aim to give the female pleasure and unless you got a better way you wanna share how is not going faster and harder not a good thing (if you're doing it right?)  Is fingering violent? If not at how many fingers is violent? 3? 4?

As far as brooms and baseballs bats I can pm you some amateur porn of a chick doing that to herself. I've seen girls put a plethora of things in their vagina for pleasure. I say whatever floats your boat in that regard as long as you don't kill anybody or hurt yourself, if she wanna show other dudes online, I'm not gonna be calling her a masochist.

You either are very prudish when it comes to your willingness in your sexual experimentation or you're thinking about a specific type of porn at all times to outlaw fisting in your mind; the type of porn with the gory storyline and their already acting real violent to female.

If a married couple enjoys fisting are you gonna say the husband is violent? You catch them in the act you calling the cops? I think you need to make the distinction with your own opinions on what's violent and what isn't and look at this objectively so you don't confuse the matter for what you think is normal or not.

 

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

I don't know where all the mentioning of other types of porn came from but from that aspect I'd watch for the amazement and then never watch again. There's porn where a girl is just farting on cakes or getting golden showers. I don't see how fisting or bukkae scenes are violent. However, they do objectify women and that could lead to dudes who frequently view them treating women like shhh.

The only porn I'd think that tries to encourage or normalize violence is the one's where the chick is getting choked out at climax in them, snuff films, the ones where the guy beats up the girl before smashing, and the racist ones. Plus I guess bestiality.

But deranged porn where the ppl are pretending to be related or actual incest porn, or the one's where dudes are letting off in the chick's pupil doesn't come off as violent to me. Just mad nasty.

You don't see how "FISTING" is violent?

Seriously?

See this is exactly what is meant by porn normalizing violence against women. It's become so common place and accepted that people don't see how wrong it could be. I mean think about it, what is remotely normal about thrusting ones fist into a woman? You don't find that to be violent?

If you think that's ok, then I'm sure you see no problem with brooms or baseball bats then, correct? These instruments have actually been used in cases of sexual assault. But I guess it's a fist so it's cool...right?

... 

Wait we know what fisting is right? When the guy goes from 1 finger to all 5 to making a fist in to a female's vagina or butt? That's what I've come to know it as. Some females like big thing in their vagina vigorously going in and out. Some women thoroughly enjoy it. It's not done just by men to a woman either.

I mean what about women getting huge dildos put inside them? Is that violent too? I've seen some bigger than my fist.

Fisting is not a guy punching a chick in her uterus/fallopian tubes.

Right now you're not arguing whether it's a matter of violence. You just have a line you won't cross, find it not normal and label it violent. You're just arguing whether it's normal and acceptable not violent and if you don't find it normal or acceptable that's you. If thrusting your fist in a woman is violent then all sex must be violent cuz I'm not cautiously inserting my penis in to a woman and gingerly backing in and out. You thrust your penis in a woman. You talk about "a ____ getting what's coming to her" but some men actually aim to give the female pleasure and unless you got a better way you wanna share how is not going faster and harder not a good thing (if you're doing it right?)  Is fingering violent? If not at how many fingers is violent? 3? 4?

As far as brooms and baseballs bats I can pm you some amateur porn of a chick doing that to herself. I've seen girls put a plethora of things in their vagina for pleasure. I say whatever floats your boat in that regard as long as you don't kill anybody or hurt yourself, if she wanna show other dudes online, I'm not gonna be calling her a masochist.

You either are very prudish when it comes to your willingness in your sexual experimentation or you're thinking about a specific type of porn at all times to outlaw fisting in your mind; the type of porn with the gory storyline and their already acting real violent to female.

If a married couple enjoys fisting are you gonna say the husband is violent? You catch them in the act you calling the cops? I think you need to make the distinction with your own opinions on what's violent and what isn't and look at this objectively so you don't confuse the matter for what you think is normal or not.

 

[whyhellothere]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

300 Gigs?


Thats more than music I have and thats 31k songs

at about 165+ gigs. 



Thats a LOT of porn dude... introduce him to STREAMING and BOOKMARKS.

Screw that streaming bs, sites go down & vids get deleted. Im push 106Gb on the internal *shrug*& lulz @ fisting being violent if shes asking/begging for it.Only things i would consider "violent" are those g.gagger scenes, especially the one where dude locked chick up with his legs while she was blessing him & nearly choked her to death.

 

[whyhellothere]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

300 Gigs?


Thats more than music I have and thats 31k songs

at about 165+ gigs. 



Thats a LOT of porn dude... introduce him to STREAMING and BOOKMARKS.

Screw that streaming bs, sites go down & vids get deleted. Im push 106Gb on the internal *shrug*& lulz @ fisting being violent if shes asking/begging for it.Only things i would consider "violent" are those g.gagger scenes, especially the one where dude locked chick up with his legs while she was blessing him & nearly choked her to death.

 

[zerogravity23]

what has been seen...

 

[zerogravity23]

what has been seen...

 

[ago225]

what the deuce is fisting?

 

[ago225]

what the deuce is fisting?

 

[hankmoody]

...

 

[hankmoody]

...

 

[sensitiveloser]

why stream in terrible quality when you can download HQ

yes its that serious

and dude you have some very odd views on porn

 

[sensitiveloser]

why stream in terrible quality when you can download HQ

yes its that serious

and dude you have some very odd views on porn

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze



In other words, most men watch porn because they implicitly connect and find arousing, the image of a man being masculine--being "powerful" and/or "in-charge". If you are willing to accept or even entertain this assumption/conclusion, then the next step is to admit the presence of a certain level of homosexual gratification (being thrilled at watching a man be powerful...to the point where you live vicariously through said man). Let's make no mistake about it, porn is largely a "guy" thing and it overtly and covertly normalizes some level of violence and/or antagonism against women.

Uh... i'll admit that I see a penis as more or less as just something thats there and is needed to have sex with the chick cause i'm mature enough to know what happens. BUT...don't get this twisted... I HAVE NOT been turned on by that %+%@.
I'm not gay. like AT ALL. Furthermore porn has ALWAYS been about the girls to me. Even before I had really started chasing chicks like that and I used to watch a few flicks I never had even considered anything homosexual. I don't think I could think about anything gay unless someone told me to visualize it. 

I see where you're coming from but I think its kinda false. Dudes being "masculine" haven't really influenced my additional viewing of porn. I think thats a pretty wild assumption. Plus even with the anonymity of the internet, you'd think I'd have something to hide with a position like this but not at all. 

Porn really does not conjure homosexual thoughts in my mind. Its always about the chick for me. If thats how it connected to you, by all means go ahead and see it that way, just know that I disagree with you. 

BTW, i should note that I fully support any gay agenda. I think they are just as much of citizens as we all are...however, I just couldn't ever bring myself to consider doing a gay act. 

It's a confusing point that I am trying to sort out.

It's not that you're gay, it more or less has to do with the idea that porn is a purely masculine venue. It's made for men, and consumed by men because porn reaffirms ones masculinity.

A Guyland, and all across patriarchal society, a part of ones masculinity is tied to how many women "you can put down," and/or how many inferior males you can subjugate. The latter point brings to mind the whole "alpha" male "beta" male dynamic. But that is a conversation for another day. The former point emphasizes the idea that one way an individual's masculinity is assessed and measured is via how many women he can dominate. And in GUYLAND, the domination of women is the ideal. It's what you're supposed to do.

But GUYLAND and reality are not remotely close entities. In reality, consensual sex is a mutual act. You have to take into consideration the emotional state and feelings of the woman in involved. And even when you do that, there is still the possibility that YOU DON'T RECIEVE sex. This is a blow to ones masculinity, this is a severe blow in a man raised in culture that has led men to believe that they are entitled to sex.

This is where porn comes in. In porn, there is no denial or refusal. The woman is there to please YOU and only YOU. She is not there to challenge or strike down at your masculinity, She is there to comply. Instant gratification. She is there to re-affirm your masculinity, your power, your domination.

And she does that. But the thing is, IT IS NOT ABOUT HER and NEVER WAS ABOUT HER. It was all bout you ad a man and the catering to your masculinity. In this sense, the sexual act is deviod of feminine presence. As I am sure you've heard before, porn objectifies women, she is not there as a person. It's strictly You living vicariously through that male performer. That's where the homosexual element comes in. The sexual arousal is partly due to seeing a man "give that ___ what's coming to her". It's about watching a man, YOU, live up to masculinity of GUYLAND.

Like I said, my conclusions are harldly set in stone. It's just stuff that I am musing over. Still, much of GUYLAND is homosocial and women are only let into the clubhouse to throw away suspicion of homosexual tensions.

I understand its your "theory" but its wrong IMO. You're not hanging with the right girls if you think porn is only made for dudes. I know plenty of chicks that watch porn. 
I'm honestly seeing a lot more liberation, even in porn, of women. Women taking charge and are nastier and more into it than the dudes sometimes. 

I think you're referring to a sub genre of porn like S&M or something out of the ordinary... your run of the mill smash session is pretty equal among the sexes IMO. 

"I know of plenty of chick that watch porn"...classic argument, but it doesn't even remotely change the facts that porn is primarily made  for men, and primarily and largely consumed by men.

Make no mistake about it, for every female that watches consumes porn, there are 5+ more guys consuming it more.

Liberation? What's your definition of liberation? Surely you don't mean the exploitation of women. Just because a woman signs on the dotted line doesn't mean she made a "liberated" decision. Go ahead and look up the percentage of these liberated women who were at some point in their past victims of sexual assault and abuse by family members/close friends...etc.

By your logic, a prostitute is also a liberated woman correct? Because it's her choice to do what she does correct? This disregard for how these people got to this point, and the face value at which we as men willi-nilly accept this idea of "choice" is an artifact of living in a patriarchal society. It's like white privilege, except it gender privilege for males. We assume that most if not all these women make these choices because they desire these lifestyles. What we don't realize is that these assumptions are purely stereotypical of our desires as males. No woman in her right mind grows up wanting to be called a "w*ore" or a "b" or "sl*t". The fact that some of y'all believe other wise is proof that there is something dangerously wrong with our society and how we view women in it.

All porn is based on domination and submission, some through violent means, others not to apparent violent means. The violence is not just limited to "sub-genres".

While I think there are some ABUSES in porn, I don't think that we can purely look at it as channeled male aggression in all instances.
It takes two to tango. Always has. Always will. The women subject themselves to whatever they'll allow themselves to be subjected to. This is different from rappers calling women names beacuse the women they refer to may not actually be present. If a woman chooses to accept that, no amount of sociology class will change that. 

You tell me a woman that DOESNT like having sex for money and i'll call you a liar. No woman has that as her last choice. None. They just see it as an option so they choose it. 

A lot of professional porn stars have contracts that allow certain types of things to go down. So tell those chicks to smarten up if you don't like what you see. Its not for everyone. 

I understand women can be assaulted and molested earlier on in life and I think thats incredibly sad...however, how much responsibility do you want to take for how she chooses to live her life after that? These women are grown dude. I'd never date a stripper...but I respect her. She does what she does under the legal extent of our law. 

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze



In other words, most men watch porn because they implicitly connect and find arousing, the image of a man being masculine--being "powerful" and/or "in-charge". If you are willing to accept or even entertain this assumption/conclusion, then the next step is to admit the presence of a certain level of homosexual gratification (being thrilled at watching a man be powerful...to the point where you live vicariously through said man). Let's make no mistake about it, porn is largely a "guy" thing and it overtly and covertly normalizes some level of violence and/or antagonism against women.

Uh... i'll admit that I see a penis as more or less as just something thats there and is needed to have sex with the chick cause i'm mature enough to know what happens. BUT...don't get this twisted... I HAVE NOT been turned on by that %+%@.
I'm not gay. like AT ALL. Furthermore porn has ALWAYS been about the girls to me. Even before I had really started chasing chicks like that and I used to watch a few flicks I never had even considered anything homosexual. I don't think I could think about anything gay unless someone told me to visualize it. 

I see where you're coming from but I think its kinda false. Dudes being "masculine" haven't really influenced my additional viewing of porn. I think thats a pretty wild assumption. Plus even with the anonymity of the internet, you'd think I'd have something to hide with a position like this but not at all. 

Porn really does not conjure homosexual thoughts in my mind. Its always about the chick for me. If thats how it connected to you, by all means go ahead and see it that way, just know that I disagree with you. 

BTW, i should note that I fully support any gay agenda. I think they are just as much of citizens as we all are...however, I just couldn't ever bring myself to consider doing a gay act. 

It's a confusing point that I am trying to sort out.

It's not that you're gay, it more or less has to do with the idea that porn is a purely masculine venue. It's made for men, and consumed by men because porn reaffirms ones masculinity.

A Guyland, and all across patriarchal society, a part of ones masculinity is tied to how many women "you can put down," and/or how many inferior males you can subjugate. The latter point brings to mind the whole "alpha" male "beta" male dynamic. But that is a conversation for another day. The former point emphasizes the idea that one way an individual's masculinity is assessed and measured is via how many women he can dominate. And in GUYLAND, the domination of women is the ideal. It's what you're supposed to do.

But GUYLAND and reality are not remotely close entities. In reality, consensual sex is a mutual act. You have to take into consideration the emotional state and feelings of the woman in involved. And even when you do that, there is still the possibility that YOU DON'T RECIEVE sex. This is a blow to ones masculinity, this is a severe blow in a man raised in culture that has led men to believe that they are entitled to sex.

This is where porn comes in. In porn, there is no denial or refusal. The woman is there to please YOU and only YOU. She is not there to challenge or strike down at your masculinity, She is there to comply. Instant gratification. She is there to re-affirm your masculinity, your power, your domination.

And she does that. But the thing is, IT IS NOT ABOUT HER and NEVER WAS ABOUT HER. It was all bout you ad a man and the catering to your masculinity. In this sense, the sexual act is deviod of feminine presence. As I am sure you've heard before, porn objectifies women, she is not there as a person. It's strictly You living vicariously through that male performer. That's where the homosexual element comes in. The sexual arousal is partly due to seeing a man "give that ___ what's coming to her". It's about watching a man, YOU, live up to masculinity of GUYLAND.

Like I said, my conclusions are harldly set in stone. It's just stuff that I am musing over. Still, much of GUYLAND is homosocial and women are only let into the clubhouse to throw away suspicion of homosexual tensions.

I understand its your "theory" but its wrong IMO. You're not hanging with the right girls if you think porn is only made for dudes. I know plenty of chicks that watch porn. 
I'm honestly seeing a lot more liberation, even in porn, of women. Women taking charge and are nastier and more into it than the dudes sometimes. 

I think you're referring to a sub genre of porn like S&M or something out of the ordinary... your run of the mill smash session is pretty equal among the sexes IMO. 

"I know of plenty of chick that watch porn"...classic argument, but it doesn't even remotely change the facts that porn is primarily made  for men, and primarily and largely consumed by men.

Make no mistake about it, for every female that watches consumes porn, there are 5+ more guys consuming it more.

Liberation? What's your definition of liberation? Surely you don't mean the exploitation of women. Just because a woman signs on the dotted line doesn't mean she made a "liberated" decision. Go ahead and look up the percentage of these liberated women who were at some point in their past victims of sexual assault and abuse by family members/close friends...etc.

By your logic, a prostitute is also a liberated woman correct? Because it's her choice to do what she does correct? This disregard for how these people got to this point, and the face value at which we as men willi-nilly accept this idea of "choice" is an artifact of living in a patriarchal society. It's like white privilege, except it gender privilege for males. We assume that most if not all these women make these choices because they desire these lifestyles. What we don't realize is that these assumptions are purely stereotypical of our desires as males. No woman in her right mind grows up wanting to be called a "w*ore" or a "b" or "sl*t". The fact that some of y'all believe other wise is proof that there is something dangerously wrong with our society and how we view women in it.

All porn is based on domination and submission, some through violent means, others not to apparent violent means. The violence is not just limited to "sub-genres".

While I think there are some ABUSES in porn, I don't think that we can purely look at it as channeled male aggression in all instances.
It takes two to tango. Always has. Always will. The women subject themselves to whatever they'll allow themselves to be subjected to. This is different from rappers calling women names beacuse the women they refer to may not actually be present. If a woman chooses to accept that, no amount of sociology class will change that. 

You tell me a woman that DOESNT like having sex for money and i'll call you a liar. No woman has that as her last choice. None. They just see it as an option so they choose it. 

A lot of professional porn stars have contracts that allow certain types of things to go down. So tell those chicks to smarten up if you don't like what you see. Its not for everyone. 

I understand women can be assaulted and molested earlier on in life and I think thats incredibly sad...however, how much responsibility do you want to take for how she chooses to live her life after that? These women are grown dude. I'd never date a stripper...but I respect her. She does what she does under the legal extent of our law. 

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by SensitiveLoser

why stream in terrible quality when you can download HQ

yes its that serious

and dude you have some very odd views on porn

Just kill your hard drive (No pun)

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by SensitiveLoser

why stream in terrible quality when you can download HQ

yes its that serious

and dude you have some very odd views on porn

Just kill your hard drive (No pun)

 

[sgtpeppers12]

edit sorry look at the post number as my one one the first page got yuku'd bad

 

[sgtpeppers12]

edit sorry look at the post number as my one one the first page got yuku'd bad

 

[trent ferris]

It's white porn that's all violent and disrespectful, though.

Mr. Marcus be lovin' them %++%.

 

[trent ferris]

It's white porn that's all violent and disrespectful, though.

Mr. Marcus be lovin' them %++%.

 

[blackmagnus514]

^ we know.

 

[blackmagnus514]

^ we know.

 

[AZwildcats]

Originally Posted by hotshots24

Anyone else feel like its getitng "old", most of us have been doing it since middle school....

Over the years it just became uninteresting for me.