ACA: Affordable Care Act (better known as OBAMACARE) - Enrollment Starts October 1st - You In?

I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that when it comes to politics and insurance, Ninjahood has completely no idea what he's talking about, and will resort to making outrageous claims (like the Tea Party spawned due to the Affordable Care Act :lol: ) until: A. He's full of it or B. Jimmies are rustled.

Stick to da hemi LS, b
 
We can all agree that the rollout of ACA/ObamaCare/Socialism has been poor, but I don't see how folk are saying that the law itself is a failure
umm da majority of americans do not want it, you seen da polls?

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[h1]Some Democrats open to changing Obamacare deadlines[/h1]

By Chris Moody, Yahoo News October 23, 2013 2:23 PM

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Secretary of Health and Human services has defied calls to step down.

Affordable Care Act supporters are hoping the embarrassing rollout problems with the law's implementation can be resolved quickly, but if they can't, some Democrats are opening the door to delaying or extending some of the mandates in the 2010 law.

“If the problems are intense as they are this morning, then maybe we would have to consider a short delay in terms of the individual mandate,” New Jersey Democratic Rep. Bill Pascrell, a member of the Health subcommittee of the Ways and Means Committee, said on Wednesday. “I say, 'maybe.' I have a good feeling that we’re going to overcome these things.”

Pascrell made the comments after attending a briefing led by Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services officials Gary Cohen and Julie Bataille on the state of the law’s implementation. Talk of delaying the mandate did not come up during the private meeting, he said.

Democrats are frustrated that HealthCare.gov, the website where Americans in 36 states can access the health insurance exchanges established by the ACA, still does not function properly three weeks after its Oct. 1 launch. Because of glitches on the site, many users are unable to create accounts or sign up for insurance. The current period of enrollment in the federal exchanges lasts until March 31.

But due to the inability to access the plans, Republicans and some Democrats are suggesting that some of the deadlines — including the individual mandate to buy insurance — be extended or delayed.

In the Senate, West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin last month called for a one-year delay of the individual mandate, and New Hampshire Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen on Tuesday sent a letter to the White House asking if those who could not access the exchanges would still be fined. In the letter, Shaheen also requested that the enrollment period be extended.

"Allowing extra time for consumers is critically important so they have the opportunity to become familiar with the website, survey their options and enroll,” Shaheen wrote. "Further, in light of the difficulties individuals may be having with enrolling through healthcare.gov, I ask that you clarify how the individual responsibility penalty will be administered and enforced. If an individual is unable to purchase health insurance due to technical problems with enrollment, they should not be penalized because of lack of coverage."

Pascrell, too, believes the enrollment period might be prolonged.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if that time period was extended to make it longer,” he said. “Many of the people who are going on the website want to be educated.”

Most of the House Democrats who spoke to Yahoo News after the Wednesday meeting with CMS officials declined to speculate on whether they would support enrollment extensions or mandate delays. Instead, they emphasized “progress” being made to fix the site and that Americans seeking insurance could also access the exchanges on the phone or in person in their community.

“We’ll cross that path when we get to it,” New York Democratic Rep. Joseph Crowley told Yahoo News. “I think it’s premature to talk about that.”

Party leaders were more explicit about their opposition to changing the deadlines. Democratic Caucus Chairman Rep. Xavier Becerra of California said delaying the individual mandate would “undermine” the law, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi rejected talk of extending the enrollment period.

“I don’t support that,” Pelosi said after the briefing on Wednesday. “I think we should try to fix what we have, move forward with the deadline we have.”

Meanwhile, House Republican leaders, who continue to call for a delay of the mandates, said this week they were furious that Democrats received a briefing on the law but they did not. Through his spokesman, Republican House Speaker John Boehner called on Health and Human Services to offer the same briefing to his conference, calling it a “snub.”

“Far too much information about Obamacare’s rollout is being concealed from the public. All members —
as well as the American people — deserve answers for this debacle,” Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said on Tuesday.

A Democratic source who requested anonymity told Yahoo News, however, that White House officials offered on Sept. 25 to hold briefings with congressional Republicans — a week before the exchanges launched — but received no response.

Despite the dustup, the HHS contacted Boehner’s office again on Wednesday, according to Buck, and offered to conduct a briefing.

Next week, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is scheduled to testify before the House Committee on Energy and Commerce about the poor early implementation.

http://news.yahoo.com/individual-mandate-obamacare-democrats-173035043.html
 
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I was curious about the cost so I looked it up last night : $160/month for the "bronze" plan which is like......nothing until a $6500 deductible is covered.....that or about a $250 "tax".

I haven't had health insurance in about 7 years besides I think one semester where I got it through school. I have no idea what to think. I've been to the school clinic like 3x in 4 years and that's just because I knew I could swoop in and get a pill instead of eating advil cold&sinus for an extra week......So now next year I gotta come up with $2k...haha
 
I was curious about the cost so I looked it up last night : $160/month for the "bronze" plan which is like......nothing until a $6500 deductible is covered.....that or about a $250 "tax".

I haven't had health insurance in about 7 years besides I think one semester where I got it through school. I have no idea what to think. I've been to the school clinic like 3x in 4 years and that's just because I knew I could swoop in and get a pill instead of eating advil cold&sinus for an extra week......So now next year I gotta come up with $2k...haha

The bronze package is $160/month? I thought it was more.

EDIT: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/50-states-obamacare-113318311.html

Link says NJ it's $300 for me
 
How many families can afford $300/mo when barely getting by. Spoke to someone in HR about this last month.
 
I was curious about the cost so I looked it up last night : $160/month for the "bronze" plan which is like......nothing until a $6500 deductible is covered.....that or about a $250 "tax".

I haven't had health insurance in about 7 years besides I think one semester where I got it through school. I have no idea what to think. I've been to the school clinic like 3x in 4 years and that's just because I knew I could swoop in and get a pill instead of eating advil cold&sinus for an extra week......So now next year I gotta come up with $2k...haha
Don't trust the prices on the Healthcare.gov site. That's one of the big problems they're having to iron out is that the prices have consistently been about half of the actual cost.
 
 
I was curious about the cost so I looked it up last night : $160/month for the "bronze" plan which is like......nothing until a $6500 deductible is covered.....that or about a $250 "tax".

I haven't had health insurance in about 7 years besides I think one semester where I got it through school. I have no idea what to think. I've been to the school clinic like 3x in 4 years and that's just because I knew I could swoop in and get a pill instead of eating advil cold&sinus for an extra week......So now next year I gotta come up with $2k...haha
Don't trust the prices on the Healthcare.gov site. That's one of the big problems they're having to iron out is that the prices have consistently been about half of the actual cost.
man....this whole thing is one giant cluster ****
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[h1]Feds ask Blue Cross Blue Shield not to release exchange numbers[/h1]
FARGO – The Obama administration asked North Dakota’s largest health insurer not to publicize how many people have signed up for health insurance through a new online exchange, a company official says.

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FARGO – The Obama administration asked North Dakota’s largest health insurer not to publicize how many people have signed up for health insurance through a new online exchange, a company official says.

During a Monday forum in Fargo for people interested in signing up for coverage via the exchange, James Nichol of Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota told the crowd his company received the request from the federal government earlier Monday. Nichol is a consumer sales manager for the company.

Still, a spokeswoman from Blue Cross Blue Shield says about 14 North Dakotans have signed up for coverage since the federal exchange went live Oct. 1. That brings total statewide enrollment to 20 – less than one a day.

Spokeswoman Andrea Dinneen said Tuesday that while Blue Cross generally does not release its internal sales numbers, it has in this case because the problematic rollout of the federal health care exchange is a “unique situation.”

Dinneen said she didn’t have any information about the directive that Nichol referenced Monday night.

An official from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, one of the main the federal agencies handling the federal marketplace, would not directly address questions about the request made of Blue Cross Blue Shield, including whether other insurers were also asked to keep quiet about enrollment.

Representatives from the two other North Dakota companies offering coverage on the federal exchange – Medica and Sanford Health – said they had not received similar directions.

Officials in many of the 14 states that set up their own marketplace, which includes Minnesota, have released some preliminary numbers. Minnesota officials said last week that about 3,700 had begun the process of enrolling for health insurance through the marketplace, called MNsure.

But in North Dakota and the 35 other states that let the federal government take the lead on the exchange, releases from individual insurers like Blue Cross Blue Shield are the only avenue to get enrollment figures until federal officials release statistics, likely sometime in mid-November.

The exchanges route health insurance shoppers to providers that offer plans that qualify for the various rules and regulations of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often referred to as Obamacare.

In an interview after the Blue Cross Blue Shield event at the Ramada in Fargo, Nichol said he had no further information about the administration’s instructions Monday.

Medica spokesman Greg Bury said the company had received enrollment files but had not yet verified them and thus did not have an enrollment count.

Sanford had enrolled six customers as of Tuesday, spokesman Darren Huber said.

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We'll just have to revisit this topic in March.  Until then, just know and realize that the GOP is free-falling as fast as possible.  Now's the time for you to jump ship champ and join the winning team.  We would love to have you on board, we can use a hard-worker such as yourself.  Think about it my man :wink:
Ugh I can't believe a young person would even think like this. Join the winning team? We'd love to have you on board?

Do you really think Blue is looking out for you? Both of these parties are hilariously incapable. They pander to big business and lobbyists. Open your eyes and stop being that guy who needs to cling to a team. I bet you also cling to the company that makes your cell phone as well. Wake up homie. This law is horrible and the execution is even worse.
 
We'll just have to revisit this topic in March.  Until then, just know and realize that the GOP is free-falling as fast as possible.  Now's the time for you to jump ship champ and join the winning team.  We would love to have you on board, we can use a hard-worker such as yourself.  Think about it my man :wink:
Ugh I can't believe a young person would even think like this. Join the winning team? We'd love to have you on board?

Do you really think Blue is looking out for you? Both of these parties are hilariously incapable. They pander to big business and lobbyists. Open your eyes and stop being that guy who needs to cling to a team. I bet you also cling to the company that makes your cell phone as well. Wake up homie. This law is horrible and the execution is even worse.

:smh: Dude is just teasing/joking with Ninja, calm the hell down B :lol:
 

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[h1]Obamacare, Failing Ahead of Schedule[/h1][h6]By ROSS DOUTHAT[/h6][h6]Published: October 19, 2013 411 Comments[/h6]
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THIS is not the column about the Obamacare rollout I expected to write.

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If you had told me, months ago, that weeks after the health care law’s coverage expansion went into effect I would be writing about the problems its launch had exposed, I would have assumed I’d be writing about rate shock, rising premiums and the disappearance of many cheap insurance plans — basically, all the problems conservatives have worried will make Obamacare a ruinously expensive failure if they play out as we fear they might.

I may be writing about those issues soon enough. But for now there is a more pressing subject: The online federal health care exchange, the heart of the Obamacare project, is such a rolling catastrophe that it may end up creating a major policy fiasco immediately rather than eventually.

This fiasco has always been a possibility, for reasons inherent in the architecture of the law. When The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn, the most rigorous defender of the entire reform project, wrote up his “five Obamacare anxieties” in May, the first one was structural: The system’s sustainability depends on getting enough healthy people to sign up , he pointed out, and if they don’t then insurers “will have to raise everyone’s premiums,” which “could create what actuaries call a ‘death spiral’: Rising premiums prompt people to drop out, causing premiums to increase even more.”

Cohn thought such a death spiral was unlikely, and frankly so did I. Between the stick of the mandate, the carrot of subsidies and the planned P.R. blitz, it seemed as if enough Americans would sign up to at least postpone the cost problem and get the system off the ground.

But it seemed that way because it was hard to imagine the Obama White House botching the design and execution of its national health care exchange. Building Web sites , mastering the Internet — this is what Team Obama does!

Except this time Team Obama didn’t. Like the Bush administration in Iraq, the White House seems to have invaded the health insurance marketplace with woefully inadequate postinvasion planning, and let the occupation turn into a disaster of hack work and incompetence. Right now, the problems with the exchange Web site appear to be systemic — a mess on the front end, where people are supposed to shop for plans, and also a thicket at the back end, where insurers are supposed to process applications.

The disaster can presumably be fixed. As Cohn pointed out on Friday, many of the state-level exchanges are working better than the federal one, and somewhere there must be a tech-world David Petraeus capable of stabilizing HealthCare.gov. And the White House has some time to work with: weeks before the end-of-year enrollment rush, and months before the mandate’s penalty is supposed to be levied.

But if the fix-it effort moves too slowly, it’s possible to envision a worst-case scenario unfolding. If the Web site doesn’t work soon, even liberals concede that the mandate would have to be delayed, because you can’t very well fine people for failing to buy a product they can’t access. And that combination — a hard-to-navigate online portal and no penalty for staying uninsured — could effectively discourage all but the most desperate customers from shopping, which in turn would create an unsustainably expensive insurance pool, driving prices up and driving people away, and potentially wrecking the entire individual insurance market in short order.

If this happens, there will be a lot of schadenfreude on the right at the spectacle of technocratic failure. But the wreck of the exchanges may actually be worse for conservative policy objectives than a more successful rollout would have been.

That’s because while conservatives think the Obamacare exchanges are overregulated and oversubsidized, they are actually closer to the right-of-center vision for health care reform than the Obamacare Medicaid expansion, which is happening no matter what transpires with Healthcare.gov. So if the exchanges fail and the Medicaid expansion takes effect (and, inevitably, becomes difficult to roll back), we’ll be left with an individual market that’s completely dysfunctional and a more socialized system over all.

In that scenario, the Democratic Party would probably end up pushing, not for the pipe dream of true single payer, but for a further bottom-up/top-down socialization, in which Medicare is offered to 55- to 65-year-olds and Medicaid is eventually expanded even more.

Meanwhile, the task for serious conservative reformers — already not the most politically effective bunch — might actually become harder, because they would have to explain how their plan to build an effective, exchange-based marketplace differed from the Obama White House’s exchange fiasco.

So while Republican politicians may be salivating over a potential Obamacare crisis, the conservative policy thinkers I know are not. They’re hoping, as I’m hoping, that this isn’t as bad as it looks. The chance to say “I told you so” is always nice, but not if the price is a potentially irrecoverable disaster.
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Administration officials approached the contractors last week to see if they could perform the necessary repairs and reboot the system by Nov. 1. However, that goal struck many contractors as unrealistic, at least for major components of the system. Some specialists working on the project said the online system required such extensive repairs that it might not operate smoothly until after the Dec. 15 deadline for people to sign up for coverage starting in January, although that view is not universally shared.

In interviews, experts said the technological problems of the site went far beyond the roadblocks to creating accounts that continue to prevent legions of users from even registering . Indeed, several said, the login problems, though vexing to consumers, may be the easiest to solve. One specialist said that as many as five million lines of software code may need to be rewritten before the Web site runs properly.

“The account creation and registration problems are masking the problems that will happen later,” said one person involved in the repair effort.

The scrambling underscores the pressures on the administration to fix what is widely viewed as the president’s biggest domestic achievement. Millions of Americans have spent countless hours in frustration trying to use the federal Web site, healthcare.gov, and its extensive problems have become a political crisis for the administration, providing new opportunities for Republicans who want to roll back the health care law.

Over the weekend, officials sought to counter pronouncements of failure by announcing that almost half a million people have submitted applications for health insurance through the federal and state marketplaces, about half of them through state exchanges. But officials declined to say how many have actually enrolled in insurance plans, and executives from insurance companies, which receive the enrollment files from the government, say their numbers have been low. The enrollment period ends March 31; those who go without coverage may be subject to fines.

On Monday, Mr. Obama will host a Rose Garden event with people who have successfully enrolled in the health care exchanges. White House aides said he will acknowledge that the technical problems are “inexcusable,” but will note, as one adviser said, that the health care law is “more than a Web site.”

“There’s great demand for the affordable health care coverage made available by the A.C.A.,” Jennifer Palmieri, the White House communications director, said Sunday, referring to the Affordable Care Act. “The challenge for all of us — the state and federal governments and contractors alike — is to make sure the American people can access it simply. We won’t rest until they can.”

Senior officials took to the Sunday talk shows to defend the Affordable Care Act, and Republicans countered them. Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, said on “Fox News Sunday” that the early failures do not bode well for the rest of the health care law, adding: “In the 21st century, setting up a Web site where people can go on and buy something is not that complicated.”

One major problem slowing repairs, people close to the program say, is that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal agency in charge of the exchange, is responsible for making sure that the separately designed databases and pieces of software from 55 contractors work together. It is not common for a federal agency to assume that role, and numerous people involved in the project said the agency did not have the expertise to do the job and did not fully understand what it entailed.

The people close to the project spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the system’s problems.

Administration officials have been debating whether to designate one or more companies as the quarterback for information technology work on the federal exchange, a complex project that has cost more than $400 million.

Communications between the administration and contractors improved over the weekend as the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services began negotiating agreements with contractors on responsibility and deadlines for repairs, people involved in the project say. They hope to have a plan before a Congressional hearing set for Thursday.

“The issue right now is between C.M.S. and the White House,” a specialist said Friday before communications improved. “Everybody sits and waits and the meter runs.”

A part of the system, hidden from users, draws data from several federal and state databases to determine if consumers qualify for coverage and then calculates the subsidies for which they may be eligible. Another part of the system sends enrollment data to insurers. Several people involved in the project say that problems like those of the last three weeks are not uncommon when software from several companies is combined into a large, complex system.

Insurance executives said in interviews that they were frustrated because they did not know the government’s plan or schedule for repairs. Insurers have found that the system provides them with incorrect information about some enrollees, repeatedly enrolls and cancels the enrollments of others, and simply loses the enrollments of still others.

Correcting those errors, specialists said, could require extensive rewriting of software code. Insurers said it could be weeks before their data and the government’s could be reconciled.

Accurate enrollment data is essential. Even if consumers bypass the federal Web site and go directly to insurance companies to sign up for coverage, the Treasury Department will still need enrollment data to pay tens of billions of dollars in subsidies promised to insurers.

Confidential government documents show that some technical fixes have been made to the federal Web site, and specialists say the site is slowly improving.

Nevertheless, disarray has distinguished the project. In the last 10 months alone, government documents show, officials modified hardware and software requirements for the exchange seven times. It went live on Oct. 1 before the government and contractors had fully tested the complete system. Delays by the government in issuing specifications for the system reduced the time available for testing.

CGI Federal, a unit of the CGI Group, based in Montreal, has the biggest contract and is responsible for the architecture of major parts of the system, but not for its integration. Quality Software Services Inc., or Q.S.S.I., a unit of the UnitedHealth Group, developed the identity management system, another major component that allowed consumers to register and establish accounts.

The identity management system from Q.S.S.I., which also taps into government databases to retrieve users’ personal information, was a particular source of trouble when the exchange opened. Change orders show that on Oct. 4 — after millions of people had been trapped in technological loops trying merely to log in — the government asked CGI to help it devise a new identity management system to replace the one provided by Q.S.S.I. But specialists said that approach was abandoned as too risky. Ultimately it was decided to fix the current identity system.

According to one specialist, the Web site contains about 500 million lines of software code. By comparison, a large bank’s computer system is typically about one-fifth that size.
 
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Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance

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President Barack Obama walks out to deliver remarks about the Affordable Care Act in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington on Oct. 1, 2013.

By Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye, NBC News
President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.


Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”
None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.
Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.
Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”
“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.
The White House does not dispute that many in the individual market will lose their current coverage, but argues they will be offered better coverage in its place, and that many will get tax subsidies that would offset any increased costs.
“One of the main goals of the law is to ensure that people have insurance they can rely on – that doesn’t discriminate or charge more based on pre-existing conditions. The consumers who are getting notices are in plans that do not provide all these protections – but in the vast majority of cases, those same insurers will automatically shift their enrollees to a plan that provides new consumer protections and, for nearly half of individual market enrollees, discounts through premium tax credits,” said White House spokesperson Jessica Santillo.
“Nothing in the Affordable Care Act forces people out of their health plans: The law allows plans that covered people at the time the law was enacted to continue to offer that same coverage to the same enrollees – nothing has changed and that coverage can continue into 2014,” she said.
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Obamacare may raise cost of individual insurance policies

The Affordable Care Act will not affect most traditional employer-based plans, but many of those who purchased insurance policies on their own will see higher premiums. This is in part due to the 10 essential health benefits insurance providers are now required to include. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
Individual insurance plans with low premiums often lack basic benefits, such as prescription drug coverage, or carry high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs. The Affordable Care Act requires all companies to offer more benefits, such as mental health care, and also bars companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions.
Today, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the president’s promise that consumers would be able to keep their health care. “What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide,” Carney said. “So it's true that there are existing healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act.”
Other experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters. Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who chairs the health committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, says that estimate is “probably about right.” She added that a few states are asking insurance companies to cancel and replace policies, rather than just amend them, to avoid confusion.
A spokesman for America's Health Plans says there are no precise numbers on how many will receive cancellations letters or get notices that their current policies don’t meet ACA standards. In both cases, consumers will not be able to keep their current coverage.
Those getting the cancellation letters are often shocked and unhappy.
George Schwab, 62, of North Carolina, said he was "perfectly happy" with his plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield, which also insured his wife for a $228 monthly premium. But this past September, he was surprised to receive a letter saying his policy was no longer available. The "comparable" plan the insurance company offered him carried a $1,208 monthly premium and a $5,500 deductible.
And the best option he’s found on the exchange so far offered a 415 percent jump in premium, to $948 a month.
"The deductible is less," he said, "But the plan doesn't meet my needs. Its unaffordable."
"I'm sitting here looking at this, thinking we ought to just pay the fine and just get insurance when we're sick," Schwab added. "Everybody's worried about whether the website works or not, but that's fixable. That's just the tip of the iceberg. This stuff isn't fixable."

Heather Goldwater, 38, of South Carolina, is raising a new baby while running her own PR firm. She said she received a letter last July from Cigna, her insurance company, that said the company would no longer offer her individual plan, and promised to send a letter by October offering a comparable option. So far, she hasn't received anything.

"I'm completely overwhelmed with a six-month-old and a business,” said Goldwater. “The last thing I can do is spend hours poring over a website that isn't working, trying to wrap my head around this entire health care overhaul."
Goldwater said she supports the new law and is grateful for provisions helping folks like her with pre-existing conditions, but she worries she won’t be able to afford the new insurance, which is expected to cost more because it has more benefits. "I'm jealous of people who have really good health insurance," she said. "It's people like me who are stuck in the middle who are going to get screwed."

Richard Helgren, a Lansing, Mich., retiree, said he was “irate” when he received a letter informing him that his wife Amy's $559 a month health plan was being changed because of the law. The plan the insurer offered raised his deductible from $0 to $2,500, and the company gave him 17 days to decide.
The higher costs spooked him and his wife, who have painstakingly planned for their retirement years. "Every dollar we didn't plan for erodes our standard of living," Helgren said.
Ulltimately, though Helgren opted not to shop through the ACA exchanges, he was able to apply for a good plan with a slightly lower premium through an insurance agent.
He said he never believed President Obama’s promise that people would be able to keep their current plans.
"I heard him only about a thousand times," he said. "I didn't believe him when he said it though because there was just no way that was going to happen. They wrote the regulations so strictly that none of the old polices can grandfather."
For months, Laszewski has warned that some consumers will face sticker shock. He recently got his own notice that he and his wife cannot keep their current policy, which he described as one of the best, so-called "Cadillac" plans offered for 2013. Now, he said, the best comparable plan he found for 2014 has a smaller doctor network, larger out-of-pocket costs, and a 66 percent premium increase.
“Mr. President, I like the coverage I have," Laszweski said. "It is the best health insurance policy you can buy."


An yet another lie... :smh: :smh:
 
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Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance

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President Barack Obama walks out to deliver remarks about the Affordable Care Act in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington on Oct. 1, 2013.

By Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye, NBC News
President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.


Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”
None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.
Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.
Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”
“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.
The White House does not dispute that many in the individual market will lose their current coverage, but argues they will be offered better coverage in its place, and that many will get tax subsidies that would offset any increased costs.
“One of the main goals of the law is to ensure that people have insurance they can rely on – that doesn’t discriminate or charge more based on pre-existing conditions. The consumers who are getting notices are in plans that do not provide all these protections – but in the vast majority of cases, those same insurers will automatically shift their enrollees to a plan that provides new consumer protections and, for nearly half of individual market enrollees, discounts through premium tax credits,” said White House spokesperson Jessica Santillo.
“Nothing in the Affordable Care Act forces people out of their health plans: The law allows plans that covered people at the time the law was enacted to continue to offer that same coverage to the same enrollees – nothing has changed and that coverage can continue into 2014,” she said.
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Obamacare may raise cost of individual insurance policies

The Affordable Care Act will not affect most traditional employer-based plans, but many of those who purchased insurance policies on their own will see higher premiums. This is in part due to the 10 essential health benefits insurance providers are now required to include. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
Individual insurance plans with low premiums often lack basic benefits, such as prescription drug coverage, or carry high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs. The Affordable Care Act requires all companies to offer more benefits, such as mental health care, and also bars companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions.
Today, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the president’s promise that consumers would be able to keep their health care. “What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide,” Carney said. “So it's true that there are existing healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act.”
Other experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters. Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who chairs the health committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, says that estimate is “probably about right.” She added that a few states are asking insurance companies to cancel and replace policies, rather than just amend them, to avoid confusion.
A spokesman for America's Health Plans says there are no precise numbers on how many will receive cancellations letters or get notices that their current policies don’t meet ACA standards. In both cases, consumers will not be able to keep their current coverage.
Those getting the cancellation letters are often shocked and unhappy.
George Schwab, 62, of North Carolina, said he was "perfectly happy" with his plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield, which also insured his wife for a $228 monthly premium. But this past September, he was surprised to receive a letter saying his policy was no longer available. The "comparable" plan the insurance company offered him carried a $1,208 monthly premium and a $5,500 deductible.
And the best option he’s found on the exchange so far offered a 415 percent jump in premium, to $948 a month.
"The deductible is less," he said, "But the plan doesn't meet my needs. Its unaffordable."
"I'm sitting here looking at this, thinking we ought to just pay the fine and just get insurance when we're sick," Schwab added. "Everybody's worried about whether the website works or not, but that's fixable. That's just the tip of the iceberg. This stuff isn't fixable."

Heather Goldwater, 38, of South Carolina, is raising a new baby while running her own PR firm. She said she received a letter last July from Cigna, her insurance company, that said the company would no longer offer her individual plan, and promised to send a letter by October offering a comparable option. So far, she hasn't received anything.

"I'm completely overwhelmed with a six-month-old and a business,” said Goldwater. “The last thing I can do is spend hours poring over a website that isn't working, trying to wrap my head around this entire health care overhaul."
Goldwater said she supports the new law and is grateful for provisions helping folks like her with pre-existing conditions, but she worries she won’t be able to afford the new insurance, which is expected to cost more because it has more benefits. "I'm jealous of people who have really good health insurance," she said. "It's people like me who are stuck in the middle who are going to get screwed."

Richard Helgren, a Lansing, Mich., retiree, said he was “irate” when he received a letter informing him that his wife Amy's $559 a month health plan was being changed because of the law. The plan the insurer offered raised his deductible from $0 to $2,500, and the company gave him 17 days to decide.
The higher costs spooked him and his wife, who have painstakingly planned for their retirement years. "Every dollar we didn't plan for erodes our standard of living," Helgren said.
Ulltimately, though Helgren opted not to shop through the ACA exchanges, he was able to apply for a good plan with a slightly lower premium through an insurance agent.
He said he never believed President Obama’s promise that people would be able to keep their current plans.
"I heard him only about a thousand times," he said. "I didn't believe him when he said it though because there was just no way that was going to happen. They wrote the regulations so strictly that none of the old polices can grandfather."
For months, Laszewski has warned that some consumers will face sticker shock. He recently got his own notice that he and his wife cannot keep their current policy, which he described as one of the best, so-called "Cadillac" plans offered for 2013. Now, he said, the best comparable plan he found for 2014 has a smaller doctor network, larger out-of-pocket costs, and a 66 percent premium increase.
“Mr. President, I like the coverage I have," Laszweski said. "It is the best health insurance policy you can buy."


An yet another lie... :smh: :smh:
yup i just got a letter from my insurance company and job saying they were changing our health plan
my co-pay is going up and i gotta pay more now for care and if i stay inside a hospital overnight
:smh: :smh: :smh: :smh:
 
This isn't from FOX News or Breitbart either. This is from a media conglomerate that supports the left.

It's been a train wreck so far. The people who are losing their coverage, especially the older population that actually votes, will reflect that sentiment in the midterm elections.
 

And that's all because of "Obamacare"? I see insurance premiums deductions yearly for Self Employed individuals, and guess what... premiums have gone up each and every year regardless.

But I mean yah why not blame it on Obamacare... gotta blame someone or something right!?! :smh:
existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law.

This is a bad thing? Let's review some of these minimal essential coverage that was mandated.

Starting Jan. 1, 2014, all health insurance plans offered to individuals or through the small-group market to employers with 50 or fewer employees are required to provide coverage for an Essential Health Benefits (EHB) package.

1. Ambulatory Patient Services

2. Prescription Drugs

3. Emergency Care

4. Mental Health Services

5. Hospitalization

6. Rehabilitative and Habilitative Services

7. Preventive and Wellness Services

8. Laboratory Services

9. Pediatric Care

10. Maternity and Newborn Care

^ So if your insurance coverage doesn't provide all of these services to YOU, then yah you will be getting a cancellation letter. Imagine thinking you have health insurance, your child's fever is 100.4, but your health insurance doesn't even cover emergency care. What's the point in having insurance then? Thank goodness for this mandated coverage.
 
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And that's all because of "Obamacare"? I see insurance premiums deductions yearly for Self Employed individuals, and guess what... premiums have gone up each and every year regardless.

But I mean yah why not blame it on Obamacare... gotta blame someone or something right!?
! :smh:
existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law.

This is a bad thing? Let's review some of these minimal essential coverage that was mandated.

Starting Jan. 1, 2014, all health insurance plans offered to individuals or through the small-group market to employers with 50 or fewer employees are required to provide coverage for an Essential Health Benefits (EHB) package.

1. Ambulatory Patient Services

2. Prescription Drugs

3. Emergency Care

4. Mental Health Services

5. Hospitalization

6. Rehabilitative and Habilitative Services

7. Preventive and Wellness Services

8. Laboratory Services

9. Pediatric Care

10. Maternity and Newborn Care

^ So if your insurance coverage doesn't provide all of these services to YOU, then yah you will be getting a cancellation letter. Imagine thinking you have health insurance, your child's fever is 100.4, but your health insurance doesn't even cover emergency care. What's the point in having insurance then? Thank goodness for this mandated coverage.
it actually is going up changing parts of my policy because of the change in law.
 

And that's all because of "Obamacare"? I see insurance premiums deductions yearly for Self Employed individuals, and guess what... premiums have gone up each and every year regardless.

But I mean yah why not blame it on Obamacare... gotta blame someone or something right!?! :smh:
existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law.

This is a bad thing? Let's review some of these minimal essential coverage that was mandated.

Starting Jan. 1, 2014, all health insurance plans offered to individuals or through the small-group market to employers with 50 or fewer employees are required to provide coverage for an Essential Health Benefits (EHB) package.

1. Ambulatory Patient Services

2. Prescription Drugs

3. Emergency Care

4. Mental Health Services

5. Hospitalization

6. Rehabilitative and Habilitative Services

7. Preventive and Wellness Services

8. Laboratory Services

9. Pediatric Care

10. Maternity and Newborn Care

^ So if your insurance coverage doesn't provide all of these services to YOU, then yah you will be getting a cancellation letter. Imagine thinking you have health insurance, your child's fever is 100.4, but your health insurance doesn't even cover emergency care. What's the point in having insurance then? Thank goodness for this mandated coverage.

also who would get coverage without knowing or trying to find out about something as simple as knowing if emergency services is covered???
 
also who would get coverage without knowing or trying to find out about something as simple as knowing if emergency services is covered???

You read the Insurance Benefits booklet that is provided to you by your employer and/or insurance broker.

Hell before I go see a specialist or to the pharmacy, I call my insurance company to make sure what I am paying out of pocket. It's amazing to me that so many people don't even know what insurance coverage they have until an emergency happens.
 
also who would get coverage without knowing or trying to find out about something as simple as knowing if emergency services is covered???
You would be surprised.  It's about the same as people that get auto or home insurance and aren't exactly sure or for certain what is covered and what is not. 
 
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