Animals....

[atlien seeko]

Originally Posted by OGbobbyjohnson773

Originally Posted by jerseymizzle

Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy

You know what.....

I am too sensitive and soft.  This is the internet anyways it's not serious.  My bad.  Say whatever ya'll like about whoever ya'll like.  Have a party....

it takes a strong man to admit it.
would you care to explain this while you're at it?

DRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kingramey]

Originally Posted by jerseymizzle

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I wanna see what NTs banned word list looks like

there's gotta be at least 6-8 that you'd look at and be like..."why is 'banana' banned"?
and then it turns out that somebody thought banana was racist

I'm sure many of you know how NT mods are when it comes Asian jokes 

 

[kingramey]

Originally Posted by jerseymizzle

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I wanna see what NTs banned word list looks like

there's gotta be at least 6-8 that you'd look at and be like..."why is 'banana' banned"?
and then it turns out that somebody thought banana was racist

I'm sure many of you know how NT mods are when it comes Asian jokes 

 

[grypr33]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I wanna see what NTs banned word list looks like

"...we demanded that users cease using the term 'rape' to describe price gouging."
"...we demanded that users cease using the word 'ninja' as a substitution for a racial slur."
can't swap "animals" for "uncouth carbon based vertebrate life forms"

"we demanded"

I never used any of them, but come on. Censorship like this is just stupid.

 

[grypr33]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I wanna see what NTs banned word list looks like

"...we demanded that users cease using the term 'rape' to describe price gouging."
"...we demanded that users cease using the word 'ninja' as a substitution for a racial slur."
can't swap "animals" for "uncouth carbon based vertebrate life forms"

"we demanded"

I never used any of them, but come on. Censorship like this is just stupid.

 

[BranchLifestyle]

Wait, can't call another NTer an idiot??


Wow.


Back to topic, nothing to do with race IMO.

 

[BranchLifestyle]

Wait, can't call another NTer an idiot??


Wow.


Back to topic, nothing to do with race IMO.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Originally Posted by whyhellothere

Originally Posted by jerseymizzle

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I wanna see what NTs banned word list looks like

there's gotta be at least 6-8 that you'd look at and be like..."why is 'banana' banned"?
and then it turns out that somebody thought banana was racist

that IS racist

Spoiler

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Spoiler

My pops calls me that ALL the time

can't believe he be racist to me

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Originally Posted by whyhellothere

Originally Posted by jerseymizzle

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I wanna see what NTs banned word list looks like

there's gotta be at least 6-8 that you'd look at and be like..."why is 'banana' banned"?
and then it turns out that somebody thought banana was racist

that IS racist

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler [+]

Spoiler

My pops calls me that ALL the time

can't believe he be racist to me

 

[jordan novice]

Originally Posted by ATLien Seeko

Originally Posted by OGbobbyjohnson773

Originally Posted by jerseymizzle

it takes a strong man to admit it.
would you care to explain this while you're at it?

DRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jordan novice]

Originally Posted by ATLien Seeko

Originally Posted by OGbobbyjohnson773

Originally Posted by jerseymizzle

it takes a strong man to admit it.
would you care to explain this while you're at it?

DRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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[Methodical Management]

You backed the wrong hypocrite pony Meth, it's ok.
You made good points, but ultimately you and Truth are wrong.
We aren't talking about petty insults, racist hate speech, pornography, or impostors here man.

You're trying to ban the correct use of a word. 

If the OP is guilty of hypocrisy, that's his problem.  My position rests on a principle, not a person. 
If the chief of police tells you that killing is wrong, then goes out and commits murder, does that mean that killing is okay?   The message and the messenger aren't interchangeable.  We've banned staff members in the past to preserve the integrity of the community.  One user's mistakes won't negate the ideals this community was founded on.

If you think that using "animals" in a racially inflammatory way is correct, that's your problem - but it won't be ours.  

there's gotta be at least 6-8 that you'd look at and be like..."why is 'banana' banned"?and then it turns out that somebody thought banana was racist 
People could make the same argument about "ninja."  We don't want racial slurs on the board.  When kids try to get cute about it and use substitutions, we have to close those loopholes. 
If a year from now people are able to use the word 'correctly' and in the proper context - FINE.  I don't care.  It's the faddish, troll usage of the word that has to stop, and people are OBVIOUSLY doing it because of the connotations it carries.  

It's the trolling behavior that we really have a problem with here.  So, for the time being, we're putting an end to this trend before the problem gets any worse.  If you want to risk your membership over it, that's your call. 

As Meth said you can play naive all you want. Unfortunately the trolling and race baiting is gonna come to an end

That's all there is to it.  People are trying to get cute and justify trolling and I'm not having it.  We all know what it is. 

 

[Methodical Management]

You backed the wrong hypocrite pony Meth, it's ok.
You made good points, but ultimately you and Truth are wrong.
We aren't talking about petty insults, racist hate speech, pornography, or impostors here man.

You're trying to ban the correct use of a word. 

If the OP is guilty of hypocrisy, that's his problem.  My position rests on a principle, not a person. 
If the chief of police tells you that killing is wrong, then goes out and commits murder, does that mean that killing is okay?   The message and the messenger aren't interchangeable.  We've banned staff members in the past to preserve the integrity of the community.  One user's mistakes won't negate the ideals this community was founded on.

If you think that using "animals" in a racially inflammatory way is correct, that's your problem - but it won't be ours.  

there's gotta be at least 6-8 that you'd look at and be like..."why is 'banana' banned"?and then it turns out that somebody thought banana was racist 
People could make the same argument about "ninja."  We don't want racial slurs on the board.  When kids try to get cute about it and use substitutions, we have to close those loopholes. 
If a year from now people are able to use the word 'correctly' and in the proper context - FINE.  I don't care.  It's the faddish, troll usage of the word that has to stop, and people are OBVIOUSLY doing it because of the connotations it carries.  

It's the trolling behavior that we really have a problem with here.  So, for the time being, we're putting an end to this trend before the problem gets any worse.  If you want to risk your membership over it, that's your call. 

As Meth said you can play naive all you want. Unfortunately the trolling and race baiting is gonna come to an end

That's all there is to it.  People are trying to get cute and justify trolling and I'm not having it.  We all know what it is. 

 

[seasoned vet]

- its interesting how certain important elements of threads are looked right over and people keep chiming in on the wrong information.
 
 
....i said way back on page 2:
 

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

....this all started after the thread with the video of the girl eating on the train when the white lady called her an animal.
 
- the guy who originally started using it was trying to make a point. but people didnt get it. then others hopped on the train and saying it to offend people or just for the lulz.
 

 
 
 
 
 
.......at the time i said this i didnt remember who that individual was. but after the past few pages its obvious that it was TruthGetsBusy the entire time.
 
 
 
*now....for the dummies.....the comprehension challenged and those that dont like to read*
 
- that doesnt mean THAT I THINK what he was doing ok.....AND THATS NOT WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY.....AT ALL  im not speaking on using the word, not using the word, fair or unfair. dont imply anything from my words other than whats written.



....but its clear now that since his crusade to shine a light on the 'animal' issue went WAY over peoples heads he made this thread.  2+2=4.........think man.
 

@ hypocrite
 
......got dudes in the middle of the forest looking for it and can only find trees. jesus.
 
 

 

 
 

 

[seasoned vet]

- its interesting how certain important elements of threads are looked right over and people keep chiming in on the wrong information.
 
 
....i said way back on page 2:
 

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

....this all started after the thread with the video of the girl eating on the train when the white lady called her an animal.
 
- the guy who originally started using it was trying to make a point. but people didnt get it. then others hopped on the train and saying it to offend people or just for the lulz.
 

 
 
 
 
 
.......at the time i said this i didnt remember who that individual was. but after the past few pages its obvious that it was TruthGetsBusy the entire time.
 
 
 
*now....for the dummies.....the comprehension challenged and those that dont like to read*
 
- that doesnt mean THAT I THINK what he was doing ok.....AND THATS NOT WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY.....AT ALL  im not speaking on using the word, not using the word, fair or unfair. dont imply anything from my words other than whats written.



....but its clear now that since his crusade to shine a light on the 'animal' issue went WAY over peoples heads he made this thread.  2+2=4.........think man.
 

@ hypocrite
 
......got dudes in the middle of the forest looking for it and can only find trees. jesus.
 
 

 

 
 

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by Method Man

I'm not going to waste my Saturday getting into a philosophical debate over this. 

then.....

  

Any degree of organization requires us to accept imperfectly defined abstractions. We can generally agree regarding what constitutes "blue" and "red," but these are nonetheless arbitrary categories. You could spend eternity arguing that, because no one can specify the EXACT point at which blue and red become purple, the categories themselves therefore hold no meaning and the concept of grouping various wavelengths into broad color categories is pointless. You can problematize literally any categorical distinction - including something as "absolute" as quantification. Claiming that you have five fingers on each hand involves an underlying assumption with regard to the identification of discrete units. "What about people who lost a finger below the knuckle? Does that count as a whole finger? A quarter of a finger? WHERE WILL THE MADNESS END!?!?!"

Look, we've accepted the responsibility of managing a very large online community. To function, we have to operate in a very pragmatic fashion. NikeTalk couldn't operate at all if I had to sit here and endlessly debate every single decision. This is getting ridiculous.



We've NEVER allowed trolling on NikeTalk. That doesn't mean that no user in the history of the board has ever gotten away with it, but it's against the spirit of our policy.

People are intentionally using a term to irritate other users.  That's what trolling is.  I don't want to hear all this "they're just words" nonsense because, if that's the case, then NOTHING matters and it's just one miserable free for all.  We've had that board (NikePark) and it's EXACTLY the reason why NikeTalk was created.  If you want a forum with no rules, join one. That's not what NikeTalk is about.

The problem is that you guys aren't looking at this as an extension of an existing rule, but as a "new" rule that's taking away a "freedom" you once enjoyed. You NEVER had the right to troll our forums. Whatever legitimacy the use of this term MAY have enjoyed - that argument is now dead. It's OBVIOUS how people are using it now. They're using it to troll and we have to respond to that. Everyone is willing to agree that it's obnoxious so see the same childish jokes run into the ground and watching kids endlessly regurgitate the same punchlines. That's the case here, but it's not just an annoying gif - but a loaded term that's being ROUTINELY used to engage in race baiting.

In that sense, it's even worse than the infantile NY>LA nonsense.  If you think YOU'RE the exception and that YOU'RE using it in a witty, clever way that others aren't, you're only lying to yourself.  You're just as annoying. 

If you're gonna whine and pout because you think you deserve the "right" to annoy others, just leave already.  Nobody here will mourn your loss and I hope the irony of complaining about people being "extra sensitive" isn't lost on you when you're up in arms over something as trivial as the ability to troll on a message board.



It's a judgment call.  We're not going to come to a unanimous decision on this with all 80,000 of our unique visitors today.  When we do something as hard to complain about as giving our ad revenue away to charity, people still find reasons to gripe about that.  It's not realistic to expect that you'll agree with every single decision that gets made here, but that doesn't negate our right to make decisions affecting the community.  At the end of the day, somebody has to make the call.  I think what this really boils down to is that a lot of you are just salty because you're not the one making the decision and, if that's the case, you have the freedom to change that.  You can start your own board.  We do better than most.  We'll sit here and discuss everything, explain the rationale, answer questions, and practically coddle users about every little change and that's STILL not going to be enough for some of you - and, in those cases, nothing short of giving you dictatorial power over the whole of the community would satisfy you.  Unfortunately, if you want to be a part of NikeTalk you'll just have to suck it up and accept the fact that, although we read and value all of the feedback we receive, we're not obligated to act on ALL of it - nor CAN we, because much of it is contradictory.  What you want, someone else doesn't want.  By visiting NIKETALK instead of some other community, you're accepting the leadership team that we have in place.  If you accept a scholarship to play ball at Georgetown, you should expect to run the Princeton offense and accept Coach Thompson's vision of the team.  You can have some say, but someone has to make the final call and if you can't live with that then you need to find a situation where you can be a player/coach.  The game isn't going to stop because you're not 100% satisfied with the play that was drawn up on the sideline.  










Back in the fall of 1999, we started our own message board because we were willing to accept the hard work and responsibility associated with managing safe, friendly, respectful forums where our fellow sports/sneaker fans could communicate without dealing with all of the petty insults, racist hate speech, pornography, impostors, and so on that plagued the anarchic message boards of that time.  If you want a forum without rules, go visit a forum without rules.  That's not our mission at NikeTalk.  







With all due respect Meth but NT seems to be full of contradictions.

 
So is life so I ain't even mad.

Let me say this though. A healthy amount of trolling is good for a message board. It's the forum participants themselves who can easily police the trolls by not responding /blocking them/ not visiting troll laden threads. NT "GENERAL" is in and of itself a troll forum of the greater NT MB. A sizable majority of the threads are pure nonsense.

Yet, it is the most entertaining forum on NT (with S&T right behind but S&T actually contains decent threads).

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by Method Man

I'm not going to waste my Saturday getting into a philosophical debate over this. 

then.....

  

Any degree of organization requires us to accept imperfectly defined abstractions. We can generally agree regarding what constitutes "blue" and "red," but these are nonetheless arbitrary categories. You could spend eternity arguing that, because no one can specify the EXACT point at which blue and red become purple, the categories themselves therefore hold no meaning and the concept of grouping various wavelengths into broad color categories is pointless. You can problematize literally any categorical distinction - including something as "absolute" as quantification. Claiming that you have five fingers on each hand involves an underlying assumption with regard to the identification of discrete units. "What about people who lost a finger below the knuckle? Does that count as a whole finger? A quarter of a finger? WHERE WILL THE MADNESS END!?!?!"

Look, we've accepted the responsibility of managing a very large online community. To function, we have to operate in a very pragmatic fashion. NikeTalk couldn't operate at all if I had to sit here and endlessly debate every single decision. This is getting ridiculous.



We've NEVER allowed trolling on NikeTalk. That doesn't mean that no user in the history of the board has ever gotten away with it, but it's against the spirit of our policy.

People are intentionally using a term to irritate other users.  That's what trolling is.  I don't want to hear all this "they're just words" nonsense because, if that's the case, then NOTHING matters and it's just one miserable free for all.  We've had that board (NikePark) and it's EXACTLY the reason why NikeTalk was created.  If you want a forum with no rules, join one. That's not what NikeTalk is about.

The problem is that you guys aren't looking at this as an extension of an existing rule, but as a "new" rule that's taking away a "freedom" you once enjoyed. You NEVER had the right to troll our forums. Whatever legitimacy the use of this term MAY have enjoyed - that argument is now dead. It's OBVIOUS how people are using it now. They're using it to troll and we have to respond to that. Everyone is willing to agree that it's obnoxious so see the same childish jokes run into the ground and watching kids endlessly regurgitate the same punchlines. That's the case here, but it's not just an annoying gif - but a loaded term that's being ROUTINELY used to engage in race baiting.

In that sense, it's even worse than the infantile NY>LA nonsense.  If you think YOU'RE the exception and that YOU'RE using it in a witty, clever way that others aren't, you're only lying to yourself.  You're just as annoying. 

If you're gonna whine and pout because you think you deserve the "right" to annoy others, just leave already.  Nobody here will mourn your loss and I hope the irony of complaining about people being "extra sensitive" isn't lost on you when you're up in arms over something as trivial as the ability to troll on a message board.



It's a judgment call.  We're not going to come to a unanimous decision on this with all 80,000 of our unique visitors today.  When we do something as hard to complain about as giving our ad revenue away to charity, people still find reasons to gripe about that.  It's not realistic to expect that you'll agree with every single decision that gets made here, but that doesn't negate our right to make decisions affecting the community.  At the end of the day, somebody has to make the call.  I think what this really boils down to is that a lot of you are just salty because you're not the one making the decision and, if that's the case, you have the freedom to change that.  You can start your own board.  We do better than most.  We'll sit here and discuss everything, explain the rationale, answer questions, and practically coddle users about every little change and that's STILL not going to be enough for some of you - and, in those cases, nothing short of giving you dictatorial power over the whole of the community would satisfy you.  Unfortunately, if you want to be a part of NikeTalk you'll just have to suck it up and accept the fact that, although we read and value all of the feedback we receive, we're not obligated to act on ALL of it - nor CAN we, because much of it is contradictory.  What you want, someone else doesn't want.  By visiting NIKETALK instead of some other community, you're accepting the leadership team that we have in place.  If you accept a scholarship to play ball at Georgetown, you should expect to run the Princeton offense and accept Coach Thompson's vision of the team.  You can have some say, but someone has to make the final call and if you can't live with that then you need to find a situation where you can be a player/coach.  The game isn't going to stop because you're not 100% satisfied with the play that was drawn up on the sideline.  










Back in the fall of 1999, we started our own message board because we were willing to accept the hard work and responsibility associated with managing safe, friendly, respectful forums where our fellow sports/sneaker fans could communicate without dealing with all of the petty insults, racist hate speech, pornography, impostors, and so on that plagued the anarchic message boards of that time.  If you want a forum without rules, go visit a forum without rules.  That's not our mission at NikeTalk.  







With all due respect Meth but NT seems to be full of contradictions.

 
So is life so I ain't even mad.

Let me say this though. A healthy amount of trolling is good for a message board. It's the forum participants themselves who can easily police the trolls by not responding /blocking them/ not visiting troll laden threads. NT "GENERAL" is in and of itself a troll forum of the greater NT MB. A sizable majority of the threads are pure nonsense.

Yet, it is the most entertaining forum on NT (with S&T right behind but S&T actually contains decent threads).

 

[luong1209]

When reading GRyPR33's post I was like "Damn QFT"...Then I read Method Man's post...And I'm like...

 

[luong1209]

When reading GRyPR33's post I was like "Damn QFT"...Then I read Method Man's post...And I'm like...

 

[sirius lee handsome]

Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy

You know what.....

I am too sensitive and soft.  This is the internet anyways it's not serious.  My bad.  Say whatever ya'll like about whoever ya'll like.  Have a party....

you sure had no problem saying whatever you liked about gay people by maligning that entire group and pushing a whole bunch of stereotypes and falsehoods about them in the kobe thread about two weeks ago though, right?

method man really got caught up in the moment and let himself get suckered by a hypocrite. then again, the double standards on this site dictates that certain members of a one group receive less scrutiny when they're the ones dishing out the epithets and racially charged entendres. go ahead and deny it

 

[sirius lee handsome]

Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy

You know what.....

I am too sensitive and soft.  This is the internet anyways it's not serious.  My bad.  Say whatever ya'll like about whoever ya'll like.  Have a party....

you sure had no problem saying whatever you liked about gay people by maligning that entire group and pushing a whole bunch of stereotypes and falsehoods about them in the kobe thread about two weeks ago though, right?

method man really got caught up in the moment and let himself get suckered by a hypocrite. then again, the double standards on this site dictates that certain members of a one group receive less scrutiny when they're the ones dishing out the epithets and racially charged entendres. go ahead and deny it

 

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