Ben Roethlisberger accused of sexual assault by another woman
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I agree what I wrote could be extreme. But bottom line is we do not know what was discussed there or what Ben copped to. It will never leave the room. We don't have to speculate the worst (copping to everything and more) but we certainly are well within our boundaries to assume Roger knows more than we do and/or had Ben say things to him he never said to the media in his "statement."
Especially when Roger got his cronies working the case, aka that task force or whatever who already has been down there doing their own investigation and questions.
But I agree 4-6 games is on the high-end, and I say he never sees more than 4 if that. And I also agree that 500 page police report did not help Ben's case.
Yeah, I'm sure Roger knows more than us. But if it really is a matter of the league image, doesn't he base his judgement on how the league is viewed (or in other words, how the average fan sees the story?).
It doesn't really matter I guess.
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If you want to use this argument as a valid point, please enlighten me as to why there are not more incidences like this happening? Why are chicks not claiming rape all the time with these famous athletes? What, Ben is an exception? They unfairly target him for these "claims"?
That's a good point champ, we can start with Kobe Bryant's case from a few years back and then work our way up to Duke's lacrosse players from a few years back as well.
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If you want to use this argument as a valid point, please enlighten me as to why there are not more incidences like this happening? Why are chicks not claiming rape all the time with these famous athletes? What, Ben is an exception? They unfairly target him for these "claims"?
The thing is, it shouldn't be that difficult to get a rape case in court if it really was a rape... the chick didn't really hesitate to goto the authorities, but the doctors found nothing indicating rape, right? So what exactly is her claim here, and why hasn't she gone back to get interviewed by police again after the initial one?
This chick knew she was in the VIP section with a famous athlete... so it's not like she just brought up charges against a random dude. Yet there's no sign of rape from the rape test, they really can't put any sort of case together to even bring charges against him, and she refuses to cooperate on the story anymore... Umm... does that make sense to anybody ?
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From the link above
Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for six games on Wednesday for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy, the NFL announced.
The Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback also was ordered to undergo a comprehensive behavioral evaluation. Commissioner Roger Goodell will evaluate Roethlisberger's progress before the season and might consider reducing the suspension to four games.
Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for six games on Wednesday for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy, the NFL announced.
The Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback also was ordered to undergo a comprehensive behavioral evaluation. Commissioner Roger Goodell will evaluate Roethlisberger's progress before the season and might consider reducing the suspension to four games.
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Originally Posted by Deuce King
If you want to use this argument as a valid point, please enlighten me as to why there are not more incidences like this happening? Why are chicks not claiming rape all the time with these famous athletes? What, Ben is an exception? They unfairly target him for these "claims"?
That's a good point champ, we can start with Kobe Bryant's case from a few years back and then work our way up to Duke's lacrosse players from a few years back as well.
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Ben hit it and got a penalty. Not saying he raped it, but he definitely hit it.lol wrong place, wrong time. 6 games seems about right and it isn't even his first incident
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Craftsy21 wrote:
If you want to use this argument as a valid point, please enlighten me as to why there are not more incidences like this happening? Why are chicks not claiming rape all the time with these famous athletes? What, Ben is an exception? They unfairly target him for these "claims"?
The thing is, it shouldn't be that difficult to get a rape case in court if it really was a rape... the chick didn't really hesitate to goto the authorities, but the doctors found nothing indicating rape, right? So what exactly is her claim here, and why hasn't she gone back to get interviewed by police again after the initial one?
This chick knew she was in the VIP section with a famous athlete... so it's not like she just brought up charges against a random dude. Yet there's no sign of rape from the rape test, they really can't put any sort of case together to even bring charges against him, and she refuses to cooperate on the story anymore... Umm... does that make sense to anybody ?
He didn't rape her, i never said he did. Sexual assault and rape are two completely different things...like I've said pages back sexual assault is nearly impossible to prove.
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Originally Posted by Matt Barkley Heisman Number 8
@ goddell. just gives ben more time to rape other women now.
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deuce king is 100% right. he just opened the floodgates.
i understand the whole "privilege" aspect and the image argument... but this is NOT a good look mann. the supreme court has dealt with similar issues when deciding if pornography is against the first amendment because it's obscene. i know that a private business doesn't have to do with free speech because they can set their own rules. but i think it's worth talking about.
The phrase "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression by which the user attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly-defined parameters. This phrase is best known as a description of a threshold of obscenity, no longer used, which is not protected speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. The phrase notably appeared in Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964), decided by the United States Supreme Court.
“ I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. [Emphasis added.]
i understand the whole "privilege" aspect and the image argument... but this is NOT a good look mann. the supreme court has dealt with similar issues when deciding if pornography is against the first amendment because it's obscene. i know that a private business doesn't have to do with free speech because they can set their own rules. but i think it's worth talking about.
The phrase "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression by which the user attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly-defined parameters. This phrase is best known as a description of a threshold of obscenity, no longer used, which is not protected speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. The phrase notably appeared in Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964), decided by the United States Supreme Court.
“ I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. [Emphasis added.]
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Originally Posted by Fade On You
Originally Posted by Deuce King
If you want to use this argument as a valid point, please enlighten me as to why there are not more incidences like this happening? Why are chicks not claiming rape all the time with these famous athletes? What, Ben is an exception? They unfairly target him for these "claims"?
That's a good point champ, we can start with Kobe Bryant's case from a few years back and then work our way up to Duke's lacrosse players from a few years back as well.
You completely missed the point, did both Kobe and the Duke lacrosse players put themselves in bad situations then since they were also accused of rape or sexual assault at the time?? Thus making both the NBA and Duke University at the time look bad in public??
deuce king is 100% right. he just opened the floodgates.
Thanks champ.
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of course it is...but that and a dollar will get you a large sweat tea at McDonald's. The media will paint this as the Union rushing to the defense of an accused rapist who at the very least tried to lure a young woman to have sex in the back of a night club. Even for the NFLPA image IS everything nobody is going to risk that kind of negative publicity over this issue. If the police report wasn't out or Ben got accused of punching some dude in the jaw I'd be with you. But on this issue, the public, fans, and owners would turn on them so quick they'd have zero leverage to negotiatie anything with Goodell...and with new labor talks coming up they not trying to give up any leverage to the owners and Goodell right now.
Nah man, I gotta disagree. That's just not how it would work. The NFLPA does not give a @!@# about image - that's the NFL's deal. I mean, sure in a roundabout way image matters to them - but it's not a priority, and it's certainly not their job or mission (or concern) when they goto bat for a union member that gets a raw deal. Any fans thinking they were defending the act of rape/sexual assault would just be stupid ( and wrong) and therefore not a concern, let alone would they have any power in the leverage of the union. The players literally have nearly ALL the leverage in any situation they step into - and the league knows this, and the player's union knows this. It's a working relationship, but ultimately the talent is what sells tickets and so the talent ultimately has the bulk of the power when they unionize.
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I don't understand this comment. Can anyone explain?Originally Posted by Matt Barkley Heisman Number 8
@ goddell. just gives ben more time to rape other women now.
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Nah man, I gotta disagree. That's just not how it would work. The NFLPA does not give a @!@# about image - that's the NFL's deal. I mean, sure in a roundabout way image matters to them - but it's not a priority, and it's certainly not their job or mission (or concern) when they goto bat for a union member that gets a raw deal. Any fans thinking they were defending the act of rape/sexual assault would just be stupid ( and wrong) and therefore not a concern, let alone would they have any power in the leverage of the union. The players literally have nearly ALL the leverage in any situation they step into - and the league knows this, and the player's union knows this. It's a working relationship, but ultimately the talent is what sells tickets and so the talent ultimately has the bulk of the power when they unionize.
We can agree to disagree, but at the end of the day you fight the battles you can win. Whether the NFLPA cares about their image or not this is not the battle to choose to go to war with Goodell on IMO.
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Originally Posted by Matt Barkley Heisman Number 8
@ goddell. just gives ben more time to rape other women now.
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Yeah pretty good discussion minus the one idiot type comment
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Whole thing is a joke. Just come out and say it like it is - this is the only way to appease the female fanbase you've now made the league cater to first and foremost. Housewives and grandparents, the only fans who matter to the NFL.
It isn't a joke, and that's what you dont get. Dude clearly has some serious issues that tend to involve consumption of alcohol and the subsequent predation of women.
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Originally Posted by Deuce King
Originally Posted by Fade On You
Originally Posted by Deuce King
If you want to use this argument as a valid point, please enlighten me as to why there are not more incidences like this happening? Why are chicks not claiming rape all the time with these famous athletes? What, Ben is an exception? They unfairly target him for these "claims"?
That's a good point champ, we can start with Kobe Bryant's case from a few years back and then work our way up to Duke's lacrosse players from a few years back as well.
so you named two plus Ben, so 3 incidences in how many years vs how many thousands of pro athletes?? I think that's a damn good record if you ask me...if your theory were true the TVs and paper's would have nothing but that nonsense in it about women claiming rape...know why there isn't? Maybe because it isn't the case!! Nooo way who would have thought of that!! I don't think you would consider Duke Lacrosse players famous athletes either, but whatever makes you happy. And if you really want to go into it that was the first time Kobe was accused...how many times is this for Ben? So when it boils down to it, you have the Duke Lacrosse scandal...anything else you want to add to your argument that women claim rape champ?
You completely missed the point, did both Kobe and the Duke lacrosse players put themselves in bad situations then since they were also accused of rape or sexual assault at the time?? Thus making both the NBA and Duke University at the time look bad in public??
deuce king is 100% right. he just opened the floodgates.
Thanks champ.
Yeah they did....but what are you getting at here? Are you saying IYO this girl sabotaged Ben and the entire NFL just to make them look bad for *++%! and giggles? What about the other sexual assault claims? Are you saying those are fake too? Why are you so quick to defend Ben yet jump all over the women who claimed this saying their claims are false? Just wondering bro.
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This should pretty much end any dispute regarding Goodell's treatment of white players vs. black players.
Six games is fair. Wasn't expecting much out of this season anyway.
Chalk it up to 6-10 and look forward to 2011.
Six games is fair. Wasn't expecting much out of this season anyway.
Chalk it up to 6-10 and look forward to 2011.
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Goodell said it best.
"I recognize that the allegations in Georgia were disputed and that they did not result in criminal charges being filed against you. My decision today is not based on a finding that you violated Georgia law, or on a conclusion that differs from that of the local prosecutor. That said, you are held to a higher standard as an NFL player, and there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans."
"I recognize that the allegations in Georgia were disputed and that they did not result in criminal charges being filed against you. My decision today is not based on a finding that you violated Georgia law, or on a conclusion that differs from that of the local prosecutor. That said, you are held to a higher standard as an NFL player, and there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans."
