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Search harder.. Avy is that dude.
Best rapper signed or unsigned?
- Thread in 'Music' Thread starter Started by presidenthudson,
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Originally Posted by SUCKAFREE85
Search harder.. Avy is that dude.
Indeed. I dont want to Avy > Biggie, or anything that's gonna spark an argument, but...
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The fool Jay doesnt do anything but talk about his life on tracks. I mean literally talk. But the worst part about it is that he most definately talks down to his fans in such a way where hes just so much better than everybody and no one can ever even be as important as him. "Obama on the text" and he thinks hes god.
- Dec 7, 2002
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classic NT newbie say they up on music but dont know Avy
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Thats funny. I didnt say I was up on everything but I will say im up on everything thats worth listening to. Cheif!
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sir you spelled chief wrong
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Hey well you get the point
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Originally Posted by LarryIndiana219
The whole concept of a Legacy is a joke. The music is the legacy. And me personally, I like Kingdom Come a whole lot; I LOVED American Gangster SO much; and I got more than my money's worth from BP3 (got it for free-ninety-nine). What more can you ask for? Oh yeah, classic after classic after classic. I forgot..
Alot of ppl are coming around to Kingdom Come, American Gangster is classic may be the best concept album hip hop wise, and BP3 was solid
larryindiana219
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Oh, aight..
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Originally Posted by retrowear23
Originally Posted by LarryIndiana219
The whole concept of a Legacy is a joke. The music is the legacy. And me personally, I like Kingdom Come a whole lot; I LOVED American Gangster SO much; and I got more than my money's worth from BP3 (got it for free-ninety-nine). What more can you ask for? Oh yeah, classic after classic after classic. I forgot..
Alot of ppl are coming around to Kingdom Come, American Gangster is classic may be the best concept album hip hop wise, and BP3 was solid
I said when it dropped that people would love it later.. Only because I rap did I like it then. I saw the growth and the story as it had progressed to that point. I understood how the money and success could take you from jeans and hoodies to a suit and tie while leaving your love for hip-hop unaltered. I knew that the music sounds different once you grow out of the hunger and escape the poverty that once fueled you, so I didn't hold it against him. I was proud of the man, actually. He found a way to extend a rap career into another stage of life. Jay had become the first "Grown up rapper". Even LL and Snoop was still tryna sound cool and young. Jay said, "Nah, I'ma be MY age and make you like it and respect it". I said that the album sounded out of touch with our time because we were no longer the same types of people that Jay himself identified with both age-wise and financially. Watch and see, those of us that grow our bank accounts but maintain out hip-hop roots -- we'll be the ones that listen to albums like KC when they become the "in thing" in 10 years.
so authentic
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im weak
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Jay Z is my favorite but Eminem is the greatest of all time
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How can you say he stayed in touch wit his hip hop roots? If he went from jeans and hoodies to suit and tie. Thats not Hip Hop.! Hip Hop is a representation of the streets and basically a biography of it. If you listen to a philly rapper or 305 guy or an H-Towner you see what there hood or the people around them lives are like. You listen to Jay now and all you get from him is what Donald Trump or Bill Gates life is. Thats not motivating and in my opinion its time for him to rap it up. He sits in a office an talks about corprate deals. Thats nothing that the average person can learn a lesson from. A classic business man not a classic rapper.
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So he's not FROM the street because he didn't stay in the streets? So...hip-hop is only hip-hop as long as it doesn't make you successful. Oh, bet that up. Look at it from my perspective. Really try to think about what I'm trying to get across.... If I made...a billion dollars tomorrow... you think I'd still live in the Hood? You think I'd hang around the same people I do today and risk my life in the same slums I roam daily? For the most part, all of that changes as you rise up from nothing IF you want to protect your wealth. That don't change where you CAME FROM though. Money only changes where you go. Jay IS hip-hop, he's just at a level no other rappers had previously reached. Until he got there and showed us what a 40 year old half-billionaire rapper FROM the projects of NY sounded like, we had nothing to extrapolate from. So it's not that he isn't hip-hop, it's that he isn't what you expected hip-hop to look, be, and act like at 40 years old -- if you ever actually expected to see a 40 year old rapper to begin with.
If Mace could say "I don't understand the language of people with short money" I don't get how people get mad at Jay for speaking on %@#! they don't understand. It's a communication gap wither way. "By his old albums" if you like that older stuff he was on
He sits in a office an talks about corprate deals. Thats nothing that the average person can learn a lesson from. A classic business man not a classic rapper.
Then don't be average
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Gucci mane
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Look thats my point also. At one point he was broke and tryin to get on like everybody else. Now he is super dumb rich and your putting the music that hes making now in the same perspective/category as the music he was making ten years ago. Lil Wayne has a Rock album out now. So is that still hip hop/rap because hes a rapper. Why cant Jays new music be pop. Like you said theres nothing street about it now cause hes out of the hood. Its nothing remotely like what other rappers are talking about so what makes it hip hop?
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stretch money from detroit
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How can you not know about Avy?
his first 2 albums > anything Lupe or Jay has done.
And that track with Nas?
straight filthy
SMH @ you
his first 2 albums > anything Lupe or Jay has done.
And that track with Nas?
SMH @ you
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That makes him a crossover artists, duh.. come on man.. rappers make RAP. Don't use arbitrary analogies man.. anyway.. Pop means popular, nothing more. MOST rap IS pop. That's not a bad thing. It's just an adjective.. not a definition. mainstream rap = pop rap, or Hip-pop. You can say it negatively or positively depending on how you feel, but it is what it is regardless.
Jay is hip-hop because he's hip-hop.. what do you mean?
Is it gangster rap? No. Are there more than one style of rap. Uh..yes..
Snap music
crunk music
club rap
whatever the hell Lupe calls his fairy tales
etc etc etc
Stop pigeonholing bro.. just cuz u don't like it don't mean it ain't hip-hop.. like Kid Cudi...
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I was gonna say Jay, but I gotta give Avy his respect. He's earned it. In fact, just seeing people supporting him in this thread has changed my perception of him totally.
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I going wit my boy Wakka...
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And homie still doesn't know who he is.
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Kid Cudi is hip hop. And wait for a second lupe has a song wit Jay its called "Pressure" and lupe owns Jay on that track. I dont like Jay and never have. But i know that if any other race of people will use music, a rapper to better understand black people as a people i dont think his music represents black people as a whole. But i know thats way off topic. LarryIndiana shouts out to you on some great convo.
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seriously wth? are you being sarcastic with this whole thread or are you forreal?
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you must not have listened to pre-beyonce jay-z, homie can make heartfelt introspective music too, ppl just choose not to acknowledge it.
anyway you dont know who Avy is you dont know hiphop
Avy>>>>>>>>>>Jay,em,nas,lupe,3k>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else
