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Chicago Bulls Season Thread 35-33 -- vs kings 3.21/3.23 vs knicks/3.24 knicks
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We dont have the players to run his system. Pau is one of many players one this team that take plays off and dont hustle like they should. But To his credit he is one of two consistent players (Jimmy being the other) that we have.
Its time to start over with this team and get the guys in here for whatever system Fred wants to run with Jimmy being the focal point. Gotta stop fooling ourselves this window is closed, time to move on from a lot of guys on the roster.
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I disagree with blowing it all up, I feel like we're one wing player away from making this work. Doug and Snell aren't the answer at the 3, I like them better with the 2nd unit. I also think we need to upgrade the back up PG spot, especially for those nights Rose likes to take off.
Not saying we have championship roster but a few improvements can keep us in the hunt.
Not saying we have championship roster but a few improvements can keep us in the hunt.
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As someone who catches Nets game, I do not want Joe on this team
Especially in a situation where we'd have to mortgage the future for a 1 year rental
Especially in a situation where we'd have to mortgage the future for a 1 year rental
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Pau is only consistent on offense, to a certain extent. His defense is terrible, sure he gets some blocks but those blocks are nullified by how much points he gives up and how he doesn't recover at ALL. He's SOFT and is what making this Bulls team SOFT. Jimmy and Noah have called this Bulls team being soft.
I wouldn't say start over but to start gathering pieces once Pau leaves. Maybe sign Noah to a home discount if he allows that but Pau is limiting the Bulls so much.
So, once this year is done with, we'll see a start of Hoiberg's getting players for his systems. Then Rose's contract year will definitely determine Hoiberg's as a coach.
Correct, ultimately, MDJ isn't gonna save us.
He'll be great though.
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It's his last year so we're not trading for him.
He probably will take a lesser contract in his FA year.
maybe i'm being optimistic by giving him the benefit of the doubt like how Pau's situation was with LA.
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derrick rose is painful to watch. i can't think of one thing he does well.
i wish the bulls made some strong moves. getting guys like batum or corey joseph this past offseason would have set us up nice. not sure about salary cap and all that but i mean just to lay back and count on rose, taj and noah to get back to their old self...such a passive strategy. we can't reasonably expect another great year out of pau again either.
i wish the bulls made some strong moves. getting guys like batum or corey joseph this past offseason would have set us up nice. not sure about salary cap and all that but i mean just to lay back and count on rose, taj and noah to get back to their old self...such a passive strategy. we can't reasonably expect another great year out of pau again either.
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I'm like answering everything, lol I really wanna have a discussion and in this thread we don't have many of that
haha anyways,
Yeah, while he is coasting. He have been playing better defense as of lately. I know for sure dude is saving himself for the 2nd half of the season, and i'm kinda not blaming him because what if he damage his legs again. So why not go balls free ****** in the 2nd half.
Batum will be a free agent this coming season..
But yes, FO should've signed those guys.
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Exactly. If Rose continues to play like this it wont matter because we arent beating anyone. Its clear this roster isnt good enough to make the finals, we couldnt beat the Cavs with an injured Kyrie and no Love it isnt going to happen. I cant rely on Taj out rebounding anyone or Niko to make those strides in the next year. Maybe its just me but i dont see it happening anymore with this crew.
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Joe Johnson needs the ball in his hands. He's an iso type player to be effective. That's all he did in Atlanta. He would be such a bad fit.
The Bulls could use a 3 and D guy. An athletic slasher would be nice as well. It's crazy to see all these Western teams with endless swing players and the East barely has any except for like Toronto
The Bulls could use a 3 and D guy. An athletic slasher would be nice as well. It's crazy to see all these Western teams with endless swing players and the East barely has any except for like Toronto
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Agreed. Nobody on our team boxes out the opposing players.
Our front court lacks athleticism, our bench lacks athleticism. We lack lethal shooters.
What do people think of Marcus Thorton? That guy can shoot and have been playing really solid to start the season.
The other night he was 10/13 with like 4 or 5 threes.
You're correct for the most part. Still, he's good at catch and shoot situations. Plus, with what the Bulls do a lot, is that they play iso and screens.
Why couldn't he excel here. But Joe Johnson is just one of many players that can be had when he is a free agent.
Plainly, Bulls need athletic players that are good at shooting and off the dribble to some extent.
The West could part with a lot of those swing players. lol
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thats a very optimistic view on Drose, but hes shooting under 36% from the field, under 23% from 3. its over for pooh, until he learns to switch up his style of play.
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Yeah, that field goal percentage is terrible.
Pretty bad.
As efficient as he may like to be, that isn't very efficient.
Anyways, Clippers @ Bulls today.
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[COLOR=#red]Bulls flip the fourth quarter script to secure 'must-win' game [/COLOR]
The same story was playing out Thursday at the United Center. This time the Bulls wrote a different ending.
Leading by 10 after three quarters against the favored Clippers, Fred Hoiberg's group began that ominous fourth quarter that had troubled them in each of the past three games in similar fashion, with Los Angeles opening the period with a 12-2 run that erased the lead.
During a three-game stretch in which the Bulls had been outscored 102-70 in the fourth quarter, Thursday night's would have been the worst of the bunch. The Clippers had played in Milwaukee the previous night, Blake Griffin had been ejected early in the second half for a hard foul on Taj Gibson and Doc Rivers was rolling his comeback dice with a lineup consisting of NBA misfit toys in Josh Smith, Lance Stephenson and Austin Rivers; the Clippers bench entered Thursday shooting 39.5 percent from the field, second worst in the NBA.
But the early returns were positive. Rivers buried a 3-pointer from the right corner to get the run going. Wesley Johnson connected on another from the left wing to cut the deficit to six, then Smith buried a pair of triples, prompting a second timeout during that span from Hoiberg. The Los Angeles triples were sprinkled in between another offensive lull from the Bulls in which they missed 10 straight shots following a Derrick Rose runner off the glass to begin the period.
The Bulls were in the midst of deja vu at the United Center, a place where they had lost two straight for the first time since last January. Making matters worse, Rivers still had his big guns — Chris Paul, J.J. Redick and DeAndre Jordan — resting on his bench ready to close out the comeback.
The remaining 7:29 certainly wasn't pretty — a theme throughout the night — but as Hoiberg correctly observed: "Our guys found a way."
A Jimmy Butler jumper gave the Bulls a two-point lead, and Gibson's thunderous putback dunk off an Aaron Brooks missed triple gave the Bulls breathing room in the form of a four-point lead. Los Angeles hit 3s on three of their next four possessions, but all came in response to Bulls baskets, including triples from Rose and Pau Gasol, who led the Bulls with 24 points and three 3-pointers.
As if Smith's pair of 3-pointers weren't a sign of more fourth-quarter trouble (Smith is shooting 28.6 percent from deep this season) then Paul's 32-foot triple with the shot clock winding down to pull the Clippers within three, 78-75, was. But Brooks responded with three free throws after a clumsy Paul shooting foul, and the Bulls played two transition opportunities perfectly on defense, resulting in a Luc Richard Mbah a Moute offensive foul and missed Paul layup with a chance to get within one possession in the final two minutes.
A rose floater off the glass pushed the lead to six, and the Bulls withstood yet another 3-pointer from Johnson, with Paul's triple attempt at the buzzer hitting off the back iron.
The Bulls' troubles weren't solved on a night when they shot 35 percent from the field and committed 11 turnovers. They also nearly lost a game in which their opponent shot 3-for-23 in a quarter and played without their All-NBA power forward the final 18 minutes. The Bulls again were outscored in the final stanza, 26-19.
But for a night, numbers didn't matter to the Bulls. Another tally in the win column did.
"Here we are again, fighting for our life. And I think now what’s most important is to build on it, minimize those type of runs against us in critical times, especially down in the fourth quarter," Gasol said. "It was a must-win, otherwise we’d be talking here about four (losses) in a row and (it's) just not a good place to be."
It was a mask-less Rose that led the charge. Coming out of the locker room after halftime, Rose, who went scoreless on 0-for-3 shooting in the first half, forgot to put on the mask protecting his face after orbital surgery. Rose kept the mask off and scored 11 points on 5-for-8 shooting with a pair of assists. Gibson, making his second straight start, scored 12 points and grabbed eight rebounds, while Joakim Noah continued to show energy, making the most out of a grind-it-out game built for his style with 13 rebounds, two assists and a pair of blocks. Butler added 14 points and eight assists and didn't turn the ball over in 37 minutes.
Though the Bulls were two games out of the top spot in the East and less than one-third done with their regular season, Thursday felt like a must-win, as Gasol alluded to. And while questions will still arise about how the Bulls offense is responding to Hoiberg's philosophies, as well as rotation questions after another quiet night from Nikola Mirotic (five points and 11 rebounds in 14 minutes), for one night the Bulls flipped the script and busted out of a funk that had plagued them in each of their last three losses.
"We had to get this one. This was a huge game for us after losing three in a row, including a couple on our home floor," Hoiberg said. "We had to find a way to win a game. It wasn’t pretty, but we found a way to get the win."
The same story was playing out Thursday at the United Center. This time the Bulls wrote a different ending.
Leading by 10 after three quarters against the favored Clippers, Fred Hoiberg's group began that ominous fourth quarter that had troubled them in each of the past three games in similar fashion, with Los Angeles opening the period with a 12-2 run that erased the lead.
During a three-game stretch in which the Bulls had been outscored 102-70 in the fourth quarter, Thursday night's would have been the worst of the bunch. The Clippers had played in Milwaukee the previous night, Blake Griffin had been ejected early in the second half for a hard foul on Taj Gibson and Doc Rivers was rolling his comeback dice with a lineup consisting of NBA misfit toys in Josh Smith, Lance Stephenson and Austin Rivers; the Clippers bench entered Thursday shooting 39.5 percent from the field, second worst in the NBA.
But the early returns were positive. Rivers buried a 3-pointer from the right corner to get the run going. Wesley Johnson connected on another from the left wing to cut the deficit to six, then Smith buried a pair of triples, prompting a second timeout during that span from Hoiberg. The Los Angeles triples were sprinkled in between another offensive lull from the Bulls in which they missed 10 straight shots following a Derrick Rose runner off the glass to begin the period.
The Bulls were in the midst of deja vu at the United Center, a place where they had lost two straight for the first time since last January. Making matters worse, Rivers still had his big guns — Chris Paul, J.J. Redick and DeAndre Jordan — resting on his bench ready to close out the comeback.
The remaining 7:29 certainly wasn't pretty — a theme throughout the night — but as Hoiberg correctly observed: "Our guys found a way."
A Jimmy Butler jumper gave the Bulls a two-point lead, and Gibson's thunderous putback dunk off an Aaron Brooks missed triple gave the Bulls breathing room in the form of a four-point lead. Los Angeles hit 3s on three of their next four possessions, but all came in response to Bulls baskets, including triples from Rose and Pau Gasol, who led the Bulls with 24 points and three 3-pointers.
As if Smith's pair of 3-pointers weren't a sign of more fourth-quarter trouble (Smith is shooting 28.6 percent from deep this season) then Paul's 32-foot triple with the shot clock winding down to pull the Clippers within three, 78-75, was. But Brooks responded with three free throws after a clumsy Paul shooting foul, and the Bulls played two transition opportunities perfectly on defense, resulting in a Luc Richard Mbah a Moute offensive foul and missed Paul layup with a chance to get within one possession in the final two minutes.
A rose floater off the glass pushed the lead to six, and the Bulls withstood yet another 3-pointer from Johnson, with Paul's triple attempt at the buzzer hitting off the back iron.
The Bulls' troubles weren't solved on a night when they shot 35 percent from the field and committed 11 turnovers. They also nearly lost a game in which their opponent shot 3-for-23 in a quarter and played without their All-NBA power forward the final 18 minutes. The Bulls again were outscored in the final stanza, 26-19.
But for a night, numbers didn't matter to the Bulls. Another tally in the win column did.
"Here we are again, fighting for our life. And I think now what’s most important is to build on it, minimize those type of runs against us in critical times, especially down in the fourth quarter," Gasol said. "It was a must-win, otherwise we’d be talking here about four (losses) in a row and (it's) just not a good place to be."
It was a mask-less Rose that led the charge. Coming out of the locker room after halftime, Rose, who went scoreless on 0-for-3 shooting in the first half, forgot to put on the mask protecting his face after orbital surgery. Rose kept the mask off and scored 11 points on 5-for-8 shooting with a pair of assists. Gibson, making his second straight start, scored 12 points and grabbed eight rebounds, while Joakim Noah continued to show energy, making the most out of a grind-it-out game built for his style with 13 rebounds, two assists and a pair of blocks. Butler added 14 points and eight assists and didn't turn the ball over in 37 minutes.
Though the Bulls were two games out of the top spot in the East and less than one-third done with their regular season, Thursday felt like a must-win, as Gasol alluded to. And while questions will still arise about how the Bulls offense is responding to Hoiberg's philosophies, as well as rotation questions after another quiet night from Nikola Mirotic (five points and 11 rebounds in 14 minutes), for one night the Bulls flipped the script and busted out of a funk that had plagued them in each of their last three losses.
"We had to get this one. This was a huge game for us after losing three in a row, including a couple on our home floor," Hoiberg said. "We had to find a way to win a game. It wasn’t pretty, but we found a way to get the win."
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I truly hate hoiberg and his rotations, yea it's early but I never been shy about not wanting the guy, he is assistant coach material. I know I'm gonna hear he doesn't have the personnel guess what great coaches understand until you get that make what you have work ( thibs made magic out what we had fans were gassed and believed we were better and the FO was so bitter they couldn't admit it was personnel) Truth be told even with the personnel i just think hoiberg is an assistant coach on this level.
After some deep thinking and piecing things together rose has no legs. That time off after the face thing to most ppl bodies probably wouldn't have this much of a lasting effect. Hear me out rose is not even running and swears he pushing the temp sign 1, last night he asked to be taken out in the 3rd because he was tired mind you he only played 11 first half minutes then went to halftime and we all see he not running, sign 2. I thought he bounce back quicker it just sounds like he doesn't have his legs yet.
I hope the mask never comes back and is a sign his ba*** have finally dropped again because he was telling ppl he would wear that thing all year. I think every fan at this point knows it's mental with rose..... Hope this a step in the right direction
After some deep thinking and piecing things together rose has no legs. That time off after the face thing to most ppl bodies probably wouldn't have this much of a lasting effect. Hear me out rose is not even running and swears he pushing the temp sign 1, last night he asked to be taken out in the 3rd because he was tired mind you he only played 11 first half minutes then went to halftime and we all see he not running, sign 2. I thought he bounce back quicker it just sounds like he doesn't have his legs yet.
I hope the mask never comes back and is a sign his ba*** have finally dropped again because he was telling ppl he would wear that thing all year. I think every fan at this point knows it's mental with rose..... Hope this a step in the right direction
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I don't think it's mental, it's more of he's trash and we should let him go
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look no further than the first 4 possessions without the mask... 2 drives both hit & 2 heat check/lemme check my vision without the mask shots one hit... 11 points in the 4th... hes coming around but his legs imo will never get all the way back... maybe 3/4 def not a low as 1/2 but its just not there now.. hes missing bunnies under the cup just from not going up strong or jumping timid
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that I 1000% cant agree w/ fam
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With ghost of Tom Thibodeau hovering, Bulls still figuring out this whole offense thing[/COLOR]
I was watching the Bulls on Thursday night and, as I have most of the season, found myself speaking in tongues. Correr! Schnell!
Hurry up already!
That’s the whole idea of a Fred Hoiberg offense, isn’t it? You get up the court as quickly as you can and get as many shots as you can. Hoiball, it’s called. But all I was seeing was a team ranked 21st in the NBA at 98.1 points a game.
Then it occurred to me that perhaps I was underestimating the effect of all those years under defense-first Tom Thibodeau. If offense wasn’t an afterthought under Thibs, it was definitely low on his to-do list, though above establishing a social life.
Is it possible the Bulls are like hostages who have been deprived of good food for a long time? People who have been starving can’t eat too much at first because they’ll get sick. Is that the basketball paradox this team is facing? After years of concentrating on defense and dining on watery soup, maybe the Bulls are having trouble swallowing this exotic fare called “offense.’’
There’s a chance we’re watching a team that is still learning how to play an up-tempo style of basketball, still having pains about a quarter of the way through the season.
It seems a bit farfetched, I know. Everybody knows how to push the ball these days, right? For hoopsters, it’s like riding a bike. But it takes time to learn a different way to play.
It starts with Derrick Rose, who needs to get the offense moving. If we’ve learned one thing about Rose over the years, it’s that he’s stubborn. But I wonder if he’s like a quarterback learning a new system under a new offensive coordinator. And he’s not alone. Many of the Bulls have the same haunted look of people who haven’t had enough nutrition offensively.
I don’t mean any of this as a shot at Thibodeau, who guided the Bulls to big success with his emphasis on defense. But it’s possible they’re still in the process of being deprogrammed and fattened up
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I would agree but he had a very nice playoffs right after surgery then had an entire summer no rehab....... It's mental 1 hour into first practice you break your face you gotta be sick but you definitely didn't regress
What I will call rose out for bruh I get it your body has betrayed you, but you are having a hard time because you're playing scared. You're set for life and guess what here's reality keep playing scared you will never see a payday you think you keep this up. It's unfair it sucks but I rather keep getting hurt than playing scared playing without passion, it can't be fun for him performing like this ..... Had a convo with my boy feel like a player like Kobe need to call out rose somebody of stature to say just go play go be your self because anything less is hurting you, your team everything
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I still believe we won't see what Rose can actually do until next season
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Did you guys hear that D.Rose cut his hair?
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And no mask.
08 rose hair cut ?????
08 rose hair cut ?????
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Shot today by someone. Rose 08?
Shot today by someone. Rose 08?
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I don't know. Watching the dude not finishing on drives is frustrating cause he used to do that with ease before the ACL tear. Wouldn't that be more physical than anything? I think his lack of driving is probably a mental and physical thing. I just find it annoying the guy has the biggest mouth ever since his injuries but he's not really doing much to dispel much of the criticism against him, even if most of it is undeserved. The guy's consistency is just nonexistent. Too often we will see him play a great game and then disappear for a few. At this point I feel it's better for both sides to go their separate ways.
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