Congress clears historic health care bill...

[burns1923]

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

I'm presently on my phone so I can't quote but something caught my eye that NEEDED to be addressed.

"It's unrealistic to try and 'level the playing field'...."

Question--so in essence, are you implying that any attempt to do so is fundamentally hopeless?

That said, are you suggesting that the 'playing field', as it is, where certain groups have historically benefited off the plight and subjugation of others be left as is?

People--pay attention because Burns has, knowingly or unknowingly, exhibited rational that proves why and how America is such a screwed up Nation. Additionally, a statement to the tune of "let's not bother trying to level the playing field" is undeniable evidence of having lived (past and present) a privileged life--racial wise, religion wise, gender wise, sexual orientation wise--whatever the case may be.

Like I said, I'm presently on my phone (in the train) so I can't type/say as much as I would had I been on a computer. But best believe I'll add two more cents when I get back home.

...

Just stop already.

The relentless vilification is past old at this point; borderline trolling.

The big difference between you and I is that I think America is a great, noble nation that has flaws like any other, while you think it's an unjust nation that needs rebooted.  I advocate for individual talent and hard work.  You're suggesting, I think, that instead of people doing their part to lift themselves up, others must be brought lower.  The days of everybody getting a trophy whether or not they participate have got to stop if we're going to survive as a nation and as a people.

Difference of viewpoint, that's all.

Calm down now.

Frankly, I'm not going to play White House Spokesman, generating responses for every grenade lobbed.

I see people asking plenty but explaining nothing themselves.  Why don't some other people spend some time thinking about what problems over the past 50 years the Democrats played a part in? 
    
Or the thread can just die and we'll move on.  The conversation is running in a loop at this point.

 

[olvera23]

Obama just signed this today.

Can someone explain what exactly this bill "reforms"?

 

[spuddygunz]

Originally Posted by Mo Matik

Debates like this are a matter of moral values.

Some historians hold the position that the genocide of the Native Americans was for the greater good because of all the great strides we Americans have made. The same argument is often made for Israelis in Palestine. To some, it makes sense. To others, it's ludicrous.

It's a matter of morals. Acknowledge this difference and move on, for there is no sake in arguing once this is established.

This.

 

[callhimar]

Progressivism and socialism has failed every time it has been tried around the world. 

Free-market capitalism remains.

A largely taxed society has never prospered.


Now its YOU trying to rewrite history. Communism has failed countless times because it has not been Communism but a Dictatorship under the guise of Communism. Socialism is alive and well as we can see all throughout Europe and if you don't think so you're lying to yourself. A mix of Capitalism and Socialism is quite clearly what is best for the MAJORITY of people. Not just the super rich, and not just for the impoverished. This way, the super rich don't get TOO rich and hoard all the wealth among them, while the very poor don't just receive handouts constantly.

Again, when you tax those who make the most you allow more money to flow to the middle classes. This creates greater buying power and allows for the country as a whole to prosper, not just the select few who own businesses.

You should also stop referring to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party. Its idiotic doublespeak used by neo-cons to untie the word Democracy from Democrat.

Originally Posted by Mo Matik

Debates like this are a matter of moral values.

Some historians hold the position that the genocide of the NativeAmericans was for the greater good because of all the great strides weAmericans have made. The same argument is often made for Israelis inPalestine. To some, it makes sense. To others, it's ludicrous.

It's a matter of morals. Acknowledge this difference and move on, for there is no sake in arguing once this is established.

Very true, however its always nice to try to get people on the right path.

 

[burns1923]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Progressivism and socialism has failed every time it has been tried around the world. 

Free-market capitalism remains.

A largely taxed society has never prospered.

Now its YOU trying to rewrite history. Communism has failed countless times because it has not been Communism but a Dictatorship under the guise of Communism. Socialism is alive and well as we can see all throughout Europe and if you don't think so you're lying to yourself. A mix of Capitalism and Socialism is quite clearly what is best for the MAJORITY of people. Not just the super rich, and not just for the impoverished. This way, the super rich don't get TOO rich and hoard all the wealth among them, while the very poor don't just receive handouts constantly.

Again, when you tax those who make the most you allow more money to flow to the middle classes. This creates greater buying power and allows for the country as a whole to prosper, not just the select few who own businesses.

You should also stop referring to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party. Its idiotic doublespeak used by neo-cons to untie the word Democracy from Democrat.


Oh, Socialism is alive but it is far from well.  I'm not gonna touch your defense of communism.

There's no such thing as "too rich".  "Rich" and "corrupt" are not synonymous.

Spend less time trying to tell people what to do.  The United States is a Representative Republic anyway.  The Republican Party is that of Republicans.  To ascribe a process (democracy) to the naming of the party to which the Democrats belong is literally stupid.

Keep in mind, all the adjectives you're throwing around ( aka name calling) can EASILY be applied to your side.  Dead that.


  

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by Burns1923

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Progressivism and socialism has failed every time it has been tried around the world. 

Free-market capitalism remains.

A largely taxed society has never prospered.

Now its YOU trying to rewrite history. Communism has failed countless times because it has not been Communism but a Dictatorship under the guise of Communism. Socialism is alive and well as we can see all throughout Europe and if you don't think so you're lying to yourself. A mix of Capitalism and Socialism is quite clearly what is best for the MAJORITY of people. Not just the super rich, and not just for the impoverished. This way, the super rich don't get TOO rich and hoard all the wealth among them, while the very poor don't just receive handouts constantly.

Again, when you tax those who make the most you allow more money to flow to the middle classes. This creates greater buying power and allows for the country as a whole to prosper, not just the select few who own businesses.

You should also stop referring to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party. Its idiotic doublespeak used by neo-cons to untie the word Democracy from Democrat.

Oh, Socialism is alive but it is far from well.  I'm not gonna touch your defense of communism.

There's no such thing as "too rich".  Rich doesn't mean corrupt.

Spend less time trying to tell people what to do.  The United States is a Representative Republic anyway.  The Republican Party is that of Republicans.  To ascribe a process (democracy) to the naming of the which the Democrats belong to is literally stupid.

Keep in mind, all the adjectives you're throwing around ( aka name calling) can EASILY be applied to your side.  Dead that.


  
The thing is it is the Democratic Party. That's how its said. Not the Democrat party. If this was the case, it wouldn't be the Republican party, it would be the Republic Party which sounds just as dumb. It's trying to change language to change minds.

While rich doesn't mean corrupt, once you reach a certain point you certainly don't want to give that up, therefore with extreme wealth comes corruption and power. We see this in our government. We'd have universal health care and stricter regulation if our leaders weren't funded by large companies. We'd be fighting less wars, and we wouldn't have bailed out certain banks. That IS corruption.

Also, if Socialism is far from well with what has transpired over the past four years in our free market capitalist society how can you say that that ideology is well?

Also, where did I call you any names?

 

[bostonthreeparty]

Originally Posted by DubA169

this bill is hopefully just a stepping stone. once people realize that the sky isn't falling down. then obama can have much more sweeping change.


but these protesters are the best. money for a bunch of banks, but no money for their fellow americans health care.

I still don't see why other people should be on the hook for Joe Schmo to get a checkup. I don't see why people are obligated to pay for others to get care. 
I am all for people having health care who want it, but why peoples money who worked for themselves to use?

 

[burns1923]

The thing is it is the Democratic Party. That's how its said. Not the Democrat party. If this was the case, it wouldn't be the Republican party, it would be the Republic Party which sounds just as dumb. It's trying to change language to change minds.

 


Well, I could term it a lot worse.  Although I'm not into the mind-changing thing.  I tend to respect people's positions no matter how much I disagree and don't try to a navigate conversation with them as a group of lions interacts with a wildebeest.

While rich doesn't mean corrupt, once you reach a certain point you certainly don't want to give that up, therefore with extreme wealth comes corruption and power. We see this in our government. We'd have universal health care and stricter regulation if our leaders weren't funded by large companies. We'd be fighting less wars, and we wouldn't have bailed out certain banks. That IS corruption.

  Forget rich. Who honestly wants to "give up" anything they earn?  Do you?  I give and donate where I can but I'm not in a position to pay state and federal taxes AND comply with a forced surrender of further income.  I need what I earn and then some. 

I agree with you that government - both parties - are currently severely compromised by doing the bidding of their respective special interests.  Americans' wishes at large are not being heard or respected.  While I realize government's role to provide some structure vis a vis the economy, I was against bailouts for everybody, especially the auto industry.

Also, if Socialism is far from well with what has transpired over the past four years in our free market capitalist society how can you say that that ideology is well?



Well, existing is different from prospering.  Government bailouts are socialist from where I stand and I don't like it one bit.  We as individuals have failures and stumbles but we don't get bailed out.  Why should car companies and the like be any different?  There is growth in failure.

  

Also, where did I call you any names?

I meant to say that the tone, and name calling from people like Essential1, is completely unnecessary.

 

[heartofthacity]

http://www.youtube.com/v/nIwM0gkLF0s&hl=en_US&fs=1&http://www.youtube.com/v/nIwM0gkLF0s&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Is this how all his speeches are..clapping after every other sentence
btw Obama starts 8minutes in

 

[chixdigggit]

Originally Posted by BostonThreeParty

Originally Posted by DubA169

this bill is hopefully just a stepping stone. once people realize that the sky isn't falling down. then obama can have much more sweeping change.


but these protesters are the best. money for a bunch of banks, but no money for their fellow americans health care.

I still don't see why other people should be on the hook for Joe Schmo to get a checkup. I don't see why people are obligated to pay for others to get care. 
I am all for people having health care who want it, but why peoples money who worked for themselves to use?

   I feel the same way.

 

[utvol23]

 Off the subject of healthcare but this is why some people dont want their taxes raised. Many people think its just free money that the govt has to give out not that it came out of someone else's hard earned paycheck!

 

[shaunhillftw49]

I imagine many of those uninformed people pay taxes as well

 

[utvol23]

http://www.clickondetroit...ews/21215978/detail.html

 

[mez 0ne]

Originally Posted by chixdigggit

Originally Posted by BostonThreeParty

Originally Posted by DubA169

this bill is hopefully just a stepping stone. once people realize that the sky isn't falling down. then obama can have much more sweeping change.


but these protesters are the best. money for a bunch of banks, but no money for their fellow americans health care.

I still don't see why other people should be on the hook for Joe Schmo to get a checkup. I don't see why people are obligated to pay for others to get care. 
I am all for people having health care who want it, but why peoples money who worked for themselves to use?

   I feel the same way.

Very selfish mindset.

With all the money the gov't wastes their money on, for the first time they are putting it to good use so our fellow human beings can a;; equally get #@%$!$+ care, yet some people still want to complain.

 

[cwrite78]

Originally Posted by heartofthacity

http://www.youtube.com/v/nIwM0gkLF0s&hl=en_US&fs=1&http://www.youtube.com/v/nIwM0gkLF0s&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Is this how all his speeches are..clapping after every other sentence
btw Obama starts 8minutes in

at least it isn't as bad mccain's "america" chant after EVERYTHING as if obama was trying to bring in another nation to take over.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

He is. He wants to see America die. It's very beneficial for him.

 

[gambit215]

taken from another post but this is to everyone who states that Gov't doesnt do anything right:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service, and then drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on FreeRepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right!

on a side note: depending if this person woke up @ 6:00 AM or 7:00 AM was determined by the Government as well (DST) for all you simps.

 

[sundoobie]

Originally Posted by gambit215

taken from another post but this is to everyone who states that Gov't doesnt do anything right:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service, and then drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on FreeRepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right!

Awesome Post!

 

[chozin87]

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Everybody arguing over money thats gonna pop out of thin air and then will have to magically appear in the Feds books.... It's just another bailout.... Relax smoke a blunt , and think about the AGEnda of the establishment... Your voice is obsolete...

Exactly.
This is not about benefiting Americans.  

 

[utvol23]

Originally Posted by gambit215

taken from another post but this is to everyone who states that Gov't doesnt do anything right:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service, and then drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on FreeRepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right!

on a side note: depending if this person woke up @ 6:00 AM or 7:00 AM was determined by the Government as well (DST) for all you simps.

How efficiently run are all these programs and institutions etc?

 

[spsfinest212]

Originally Posted by gambit215

taken from another post but this is to everyone who states that Gov't doesnt do anything right:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service, and then drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on FreeRepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right!

on a side note: depending if this person woke up @ 6:00 AM or 7:00 AM was determined by the Government as well (DST) for all you simps.

 

[chozin87]

Originally Posted by UTVOL23

Originally Posted by gambit215

taken from another post but this is to everyone who states that Gov't doesnt do anything right:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service, and then drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on FreeRepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right!

on a side note: depending if this person woke up @ 6:00 AM or 7:00 AM was determined by the Government as well (DST) for all you simps.

How efficiently run are all these programs and institutions etc?

Exactly.  
Everything the government does is inefficient and wasteful.  

 

[superantigen]

Originally Posted by Burns1923

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

I'm presently on my phone so I can't quote but something caught my eye that NEEDED to be addressed.

"It's unrealistic to try and 'level the playing field'...."

Question--so in essence, are you implying that any attempt to do so is fundamentally hopeless?

That said, are you suggesting that the 'playing field', as it is, where certain groups have historically benefited off the plight and subjugation of others be left as is?

People--pay attention because Burns has, knowingly or unknowingly, exhibited rational that proves why and how America is such a screwed up Nation. Additionally, a statement to the tune of "let's not bother trying to level the playing field" is undeniable evidence of having lived (past and present) a privileged life--racial wise, religion wise, gender wise, sexual orientation wise--whatever the case may be.

Like I said, I'm presently on my phone (in the train) so I can't type/say as much as I would had I been on a computer. But best believe I'll add two more cents when I get back home.

...

Just stop already.

The relentless vilification is past old at this point; borderline trolling.

The big difference between you and I is that I think America is a great, noble nation that has flaws like any other, while you think it's an unjust nation that needs rebooted.  I advocate for individual talent and hard work.  You're suggesting, I think, that instead of people doing their part to lift themselves up, others must be brought lower.  The days of everybody getting a trophy whether or not they participate have got to stop if we're going to survive as a nation and as a people.

Difference of viewpoint, that's all.

Calm down now.

Frankly, I'm not going to play White House Spokesman, generating responses for every grenade lobbed.

I see people asking plenty but explaining nothing themselves.  Why don't some other people spend some time thinking about what problems over the past 50 years the Democrats played a part in? 
    
Or the thread can just die and we'll move on.  The conversation is running in a loop at this point.

Right... the conversation is only running a "loop" because it's not your kind "party"...that's all that is.

"...A great noble nation..."...a great nation, i'll give you that, but a "noble" one...

...do you even know what the definition of noble is...you truly are a misinformed individual. And to characterize this nations past injustices (which continue to have a profound effect in present) as "flaws" is not only a slap to the face of those who continuously and presently suffer because of said injustices, but its undeniable confirmation of your privilege and proof of a willful ignorance on matters pertaining to the history of race and class relations in the country.

Do I think America needs to be rebooted...not necessarily. I just think the line of thinking that governs this country needs to be re-programmed. This, especially, considering that line of thinking is that which you seem to apotheosize. You know, that thinking which suggest that if you're not rich, it's because you're lazy and uncommitted. That line of thinking that assumes that everyone in this country is treated fairly and unbiased. That line of thinking which proposes, admits, and recognizes that even though the playing field in fundamentally rigged and unfair, it's a waste of time to try and right some of wrong and prejudice.

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]QUESTION: Why is the playing field uneven/unfair?[/color]

You advocate for individual talent and hard work? Whoooaaaaaa...guess what, so do I. And you were convinced we had nothing in common--silly you...

The true difference between you and me is this: while we're both advocates for talent and hard-work, I am privy to the fact that that alone will NOT guarantee you success and/or riches in America. America is NOT a meritocracy. If it was a meritocracy, then your exerted individual talent and hard work would guarantee you monetary success.

But alas, as previously stated, that is presently not the case--that was never the case in the past--and unfortunately, I'm fairly sure that will never be the case in the future. The reality that I subscribe to is the truth of this country. The one you subscribe to is not reality, but a perception. The funny thing is, it's a perception that has been inculcated to you by the 10% that own everything. You're a drone promoting the philosophy and ideology of the very people that could not care two licks about the financial well-being of you and your family--nothing more, nothing else. Although, I suppose you could be part of the aforementioned 10%, and if that's the case, it would explain why you think the way you do...lol.

Lastly, I am NOT asking that others be brought lower--as you suggest. What I would hope for is that, the greatly and unfairly privileged realize and recognize those that are struggling and at the other end of the spectrum. What I would hope for is that, people will realize that in order for the "UNDER-privileged" class to exist, there hasssssss to be a class that is correspondingly "OVER-privileged". Not only is it socio-logical, it's logically sound on the grammatical level.

We live in a biased, prejudiced, corrupt, nation. If you're a white, heterosexual, able-bodied, christian, male...then you can march to beat "if you work hard, you'll get rich". If you happen to fall out and/or not belong to any one of those categories, then best believe that tune wasn't meant for you and it certainly wont be as easy for you; and you can just forget about it if you're a black, homosexual, handicapped (crippled), non-christian, male/female...(

but still 

).

In the end, don't do me the injustice of portraying me as a pessimist or anything remotely anti-American. The truth is, I love this country more than you do, and it's for this reason why I pray that someday, this nation will be reformed in such a way that guarantees real fairness and real equal opportunity to each of it's citizens. Something, than is not the case now and has never been at any point up to now.


...

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

In the end, don't do me the injustice of portraying me as a pessimist or anything remotely anti-American. The truth is, I love this country more than you do, and it's for this reason why I pray that someday, this nation will be reformed in such a way that guarantees real fairness and real equal opportunity to each of it's citizens. Something, than is not the case now and has never been at any point up to now.

Asking the government to take your money and help others is definitely anti-American

 

[sundoobie]

Originally Posted by UTVOL23

Originally Posted by gambit215

taken from another post but this is to everyone who states that Gov't doesnt do anything right:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service, and then drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on FreeRepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right!

on a side note: depending if this person woke up @ 6:00 AM or 7:00 AM was determined by the Government as well (DST) for all you simps.

How efficiently run are all these programs and institutions etc?

Pretty damn efficient.

Nothing in life is PERFECT or do you live in a fairy tale life?