Dallas police woman breaks into home of young man and shoots him to death Update: GUILTY of murder

[duke40]

Why would she be allowed to be booked into another county jail, one that is some 50% More white than the other? Shouldn’t she have been transported to downtown Dallas?

Even if dude was a serial rapist, at the time of his death, there was no reason for her to be there. That’s like an officer getting a dui as he accidentally runs over a drug dealer, and the city thanking him.

This will get ugly. Smear campaign. Planting evidence. Casting a shadow of doubt that maybe dude deserved to die for the jury. Yikes.

Not saying it’s right, and I don’t understand it, but Dallas uses Kaufman and Mansfield jails a lot for bookings. Again, doesn’t mean there isn’t still something going on, just stating facts since I live here and see it happen.

 

[6pac]

i wanna fight man.

really why they do ***** like this? 4 what? dude literally was chilling on some regular **** and she just killed him. why is this not open and shut? why was his apartment searched? was she searched to see if she was under any influence?



why haven’t ****** collectively bought some land somewhere and just got the **** on and chalked up this last 500-600 years in America as an L?

 

[hand2handking]

The NRA’s Catch-22 for Black Men Shot by Police
A National Rifle Association spokesperson says Botham Jean would still be alive if he’d had a firearm. But when African Americans legally bearing arms are shot by police, the organization’s media outlet doesn’t defend them.


The grieving family of Botham Jean, flanked on the right by its lawyer, Benjamin Crump, in Dallas on September 10, 2018 ASSOCIATED PRESS

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

The city of Dallas, Texas, has been rocked by news of an off-duty police officer shooting a black man in his own apartment. On September 6, the off-duty police officer Amber Guyger entered Botham Jean’s apartment and shot him dead. She has since claimed—after a number of shifting accounts—that she mistakenly thought she was entering her own apartment and believed it was being burglarized.

Most people reacted to the news of the shooting with outrage—regardless of the circumstances, shooting an innocent man dead in his own home is a horrible tragedy. Conservatives such as National Review’s David French have argued that Guyger “committed a crime by forcing open Jean’s door, deliberately took aim, and killed him.” Commentary’s Sohrab Ahmari observed, “Even within the four walls of his castle, his home, Jean was not safe from undue police violence.”

The National Rifle Association’s spokesperson sees the incident a bit differently. Dana Loesch argued that Jean would still be alive had he been armed and shot Guyger instead. “I don’t think there’s any context that the actions would have been justified,” Loesch acknowledged, but asserted that “this could have been very different if Botham Jean had been, say he was a law-abiding gun owner and he saw somebody coming into his apartment.” At a time when many conservative writers were expressing empathy for Jean and hoping that justice would be served, Loesch’s disciplined adherence to the NRA’s bottom line stands out.

Loesch’s reaction is an example of what one might call the “Rice rule,” after Tamir Rice, the 12-year old killed by a white police officer while playing in a park with a toy gun: There are no circumstances in which the responsibility for a police shooting of an unarmed black person cannot be placed on the victim.

At the same time, scolding dead people for being unarmed is standard procedure for the NRA, which attacked Clementa Pinckney, the pastor of Mother Emanuel AME Church, where nine parishioners were massacred by the white supremacist Dylann Roof, for supporting gun control. The group similarly suggested that shootings at Planned Parenthood; at Umpqua Community College in Oregon; in Fresno, California; and at the Capital Gazette in Maryland were so deadly because the victims weren’t armed. The NRA even faulted James Shaw Jr., who prevented a mass shooting at a Waffle House by tackling the shooter, for not being armed while he did it. Ted Nugent, the closest thing the NRA has to a celebrity spokesperson, once called mass-shooting victims “losers” who “get cut down by murderous maniacs like blind sheep to slaughter.”

But the NRA’s conspicuous lack of outrage after the shootings of Philando Castile, Jason Washington, and Alton Sterling, all black men killed by police while in possession of a firearm, suggests an impossible double standard. When armed black men are shot by the police, the NRA says nothing about the rights of gun owners; when unarmed black men are shot, its spokesperson says they should have been armed. To this day,Loesch defends Castile’s shooting as justified—despite the fact that Castile informed the officer he was carrying a firearm. In Washington’s case, Loesch said she was “never going to keyboard quarterback what police are doing.”

There’s also a catch-22 here: If Jean had been armed, Guyger would have a much more plausible defense. If innocent unarmed black men like Jean are shot, it’s because they lack firearms; if innocent black men who are armed like Castile or Sterling are shot, it’s because they had a gun. Heads, you’re dead; tails, you’re also dead.

Yet the NRA did release an ad siding with President Donald Trump against the NFL players protesting police violence. One might ask why the NRA waded into the conflict over the NFL protests at all. The group has long urged citizens to arm themselves against the possibility of government tyranny, only to come down on the side of the state when it kills innocent people who are black. An additional irony is that, historically, the onlyAmerican population to be forcibly deprived of its weapons was black Americans at the end of Reconstruction, disarmed by racist paramilitary groups.

In recent years, the NRA has made frequent forays into culture-war disputes that have little to do with gun rights per se. This week, its NRATV hosts attacked a children’s program featuring anthropomorphic trains for introducing a train from Kenya. Previously, they argued that undocumented children separated from their parents under the Trump administration are “better off,” complained that American men “are being turned into second-rate women,” described laws banning anti-gay discrimination as “slavery,” called for the imprisonmentof people protesting Trump Cabinet officials, dismissed the Women’s March as “anti-American,” and attacked the media for being insufficiently pro-Trump. None of this has anything to do with gun restrictions. So why is the NRA doing it?

The answer may have less to do with the defense of gun rights than the sale of firearms. As Josh Sugarmann, the executive director of the Violence Policy Center, told NPR, the NRA is “a de facto trade association masquerading as a shooting-sports foundation,” funneling millions of dollars each year to the group and its affiliates. Marketing violent fantasies to its members encourages them to buy firearms. According to the Pew Research Center, three in 10 Americans own a gun, while 29 percent of gun owners own five or more. This is the NRATV’s target demographic; given its demonization of Democrats and liberals, it’s clear the outlet is uninterested in the 20 percent of Democrats who own firearms.

The NRA has long nurtured the fantasy of revolutionary violence against a tyrannical government—in 1995 former President George H. W. Bush resigned from the organization after the NRA chief Wayne LaPierre called federal law-enforcement officials jack-booted thugs. During the Barack Obama–era, however, this sort of rhetoric went into overdrive, and gun sales skyrocketed as right-wing figures warned of a need for liberty-minded citizens to prepare themselves for armed struggle against the government. It’s no coincidence that this coincided with the election of America’s first black president. During Reconstruction, terrorist groups such as the White League promulgated hoaxes about armed blacks seeking to kill white men en masse and rape white women, in order to scare up recruitment and preemptively justify violence against their political rivals. The specter of “negro rule” proved a powerful motivator.

With Obama’s departure, the NRA lost its chief gun salesman. Since then, the NRA message machine has gone into overdrive, seizing on culture-war issues that can sell as many guns as having a black president once did. NRA representatives now compare liberals to the terrorist group isis, publish fiction warning that Syrian refugees would establish an isis branch in the United States, argue that “minorities” should be blamed for gun violence, and, in a startlingly on-the-nose echo of Reconstruction-era racist propaganda, warn that if Black Lives Matter isn’t stopped whites will face mass rape and murder like white people in South Africa. No wonder former Republican Representative Joe Scarborough observed in February that NRA messaging can “come close, pretty close to inciting violence.”

NRATV tells its viewers that they are under assault from liberals, black people, undocumented immigrants, and Muslims, and that they might one day need to kill them—in self defense, of course. Like the president, the NRA has correctly divined that fomenting and exploiting white people’s fears and hatreds is an effective sales strategy. If marketing murder fantasies is what it takes to move the product, then so be it. When the answer to any problem has to be “Buy more guns,” then absurd logic, such as holding dead people responsible for being shot by police in their own home, is inevitable.

 

[wallyhopp]

Not saying it’s right, and I don’t understand it, but Dallas uses Kaufman and Mansfield jails a lot for bookings. Again, doesn’t mean there isn’t still something going on, just stating facts since I live here and see it happen.

Had to look up the counties in the area etc. not an expert by any means. I know over crowding exists. Kaufman jail is 30 miles se of downtown Dallas. Was she already in the area? Why isn’t suspicion cast on her character? Unless they transported her there, it feels like a well thought out maneuver. Gaming the system right there.

 

[alchemist iq]

duke40 like i said never rule out any possibility what a human/police will do the cover up a crime.

They Dont even know who the weed belongs to, but since its in his apartment it his "property"

 

[itshlittt]

Of course they found some green....

Dave Chappelle really is a prophet.

just sprinkle some crack on him and lets get the hell out of here.

open and shut case, Johnson.

 

[6pac]

man why is that even relevant public info? they gonna say he was high so he didnt follow her orders correctly and thus is responsible for his own death?

what was this dumb ***** doing in his apartment to begin with? you know when you going the wrong way in a dorm or apartment complex. it aint gone feel the same and the subconscious environmental markers u see aint gonna be there.

if they let this one go its gonna hit me different. than any of the other ones bc now there are really no rules. like dead *** there was nothing he could have done to prevent this sick ****.

 

[Humbled]

Y'all knew they were going to try to find ANY way to drag this man's name.

I can't stand these *************

 

[tr1ll]

Knew this BS was coming

I guess sprinkling crack on him would’ve been too obvious. If anything, this makes the cop look even worse. As soon as she smelled it she should’ve known she was in the wrong place. And why are the searching his apartment for? What was the warrant for?

 

[wallyhopp]

Wow. Just re read that article above.
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The warrant does not indicate who owned which items.
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I realize they can’t 100% proclaim it was his outright. But talk about leaving things vague enough to where we now questions dudes credibility

I’m guessing the police vest and medical aid were hers. Why wouldn’t the other stuff be hers too? Conveniently leaving so many facts as vague so we can all assume the dead guy had the drugs. For all we know, the 10 grams were in her backpack. But why say anything when the dead guy can’t defend himself.

Why take a laptop though? Taking anything at all unrelated to the shooting seems unnecessary

Coincidence? Marijuana marks the headlines on the day they lay him to rest? Her PR firm is working overtime.

 

[getback]

Marijuana in his apartment is about as pertinent to the case as milk in his refrigerator.

Nothing more than a lame, tasteless, classless, pathetic attempt to victim blame.

 

[duke40]

Y’all have probably guessed by now, but I am white, middle class, and not anti-cop at all. I don’t like to just group all of any certain group as the same, regardless of what group it is, and I know that may make some in here angry. That said:

This is murder while breaking and entering, and I believe that comes with a life sentence or death penalty, but I’m not sure. I understand the investigating has to be done, and I understand the outrage from the black community. I haven’t had a negative run-in with the cops since I was in my early 20’s doing dirt, but I can also see where this has to be a conviction or the dynamite is going to be lit. I’m sorry that this happened, not as a white person, but as a DECENT person.

 

[wr]

Knew this BS was coming

Smoking Marijuana makes you deserving of death, but white males run the marijuana industry in this country. And get headlines like they're entrepreneurs and savvy business men. This country is a f'n joke.

America is trash

 

[stay lurkin]

This is flat out too much.

 

[wr]

We need a law in the brothers name protecting intruders that abuse their power and a broad MJ decriminalization law. I don't care if the profits dry up in THS MJ business. Stop this madness now!!!!!!. 2018 and the racist resorting to textbook refer madness tactics smh

 

[isu 42]

Knew this BS was coming

Absolute horse****.

 

[sooperhooper]

I'm done with America bruh.
It's so pathetic how race or status determines how much sympathy you receive. Was she really drunk when she breached his door? I haven't been following the case.

 

[wallyhopp]

I was just thinking. When do cops get thrown under the bus? It all makes sense now. Cops of darker complexion seem to be the scape goats. Makes me wonder why they can even be cops.

This Mohamed Noor case is intriguing. Minority cop shoots white Australian women while on duty, gets charged with murder and has a $50 million dollar civil lawsuit against him. Look that case up.

White off duty cop getting every single benefit of doubt imaginable here. Seems like the person responding to a call should have a bit more leniency when things go wrong. But what do you know.

 

[blastercombo]

Lol yet we still have people in here defending the cops. ******* stop

 

[wallyhopp]

http://m.startribune.com/noor-s-def...-s-claims-about-ex-minneapolis-cop/493087881/

Just for some context

DA trying to show Noor was overwhelmed, overworked, and had a prior stop where he pulled out a gun on a citizen. A complete disaster of a human being. Fired upon being charged.

Compare that to the sympathetic story of miss Amber. Tired, hard worker, shot a person nearly a year to the day. Great person who made a mistake. No word on being fired. Likely on paid leave.

 

[aepps20]

Not surprised fellas.

 

[IATT]

Who is the victim again?

 

[wallyhopp]

Who is the victim again?

Yet it took the chief to recommend a blood test a day or two later to be performed on the officer.

Are officers never checked after shootings? All of this stinks.

Like none of the responding 7 officers thought to maybe check the cop who did the shooting? alcohol can leave your system pretty quickly.

 

[stay lurkin]

It is like they are just mocking us at this point.

 

[wr]

Yet it took the chief to recommend a blood test a day or two later to be performed on the officer.

Are officers never checked after shootings? All of this stinks.

Like none of the responding 7 officers thought to maybe check the cop who did the shooting? alcohol can leave your system pretty quickly.

Amongst them that's probably considered blasphemous.