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Orlando doesn't need another low post scorer, Dwight barely gets enough touches as is. Bass is a great fit, he just doesn't get enough minutes.
David Lee 2010??
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Only way he leaves is if we do get two stars. I can see him goin to Miami maybe with Amare. he did play College ball in florida.
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And he only averaged a Double Double once.
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thats how we do itOriginally Posted by air max 87
every thread they in there
"for a sign and trade with ______ "
"do it mitch"
they think every team is like the grizzlies
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If ya'll was smart, you would've found a way to keep Marc on your team and wouldn't need to look for another big.Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
thats how we do itOriginally Posted by air max 87
every thread they in there
"for a sign and trade with ______ "
"do it mitch"
they think every team is like the grizzlies...were greedy and never satisfiedplus bynum is a girl
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who ever said that?
No one "said" that. Which is why I said some of you make it SEEM....
Anyway, my point was allen mentioned Lee doesn't play defense. So I named a bunch of guys who are offensive minded players (who also don't play a lick of D), yet they command big contracts. Lee is younger than all of them that I named (Scola, Zbo, Jamison, Amare, West) AND is still improving.
The theory of him having inflated stats in this system is a bit of a stretch since Lee has been putting up numbers relative to his minutes before Damn-phony even arrived.
You're definitely hating on him right now.
If he scored with his back to the basket and blocked a shot per game, your next complaint would be "I would like a big man to at least be a good passer out of the post or finish with authority around the rim. I need at least 1 of those things".
The bottom line is that Lee gives you 20 and ELEVEN, (almost TWELVE actually.... So it's not as if he is just barely giving you a double-double)... Shoots 80% from the stripe... 55% from the floor... And still gives you 3.6 apg. Just for good measure, he gives you a steal per game as well. You're telling me if you didn't know who the player was and just saw the numbers, you'd still balk at giving him big money?
Yeah ok.
You picked the only 2 flaws of son's game and demand more.
YEAH OK.
Just say you don't like him on the team or as a player and be done with it.
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Those two flws are the main thing you want out of a big man. If a big man can't play any D, he is pretty much useless. For Lee to be on a winning team he would need a very good defensive center next to him.
Milwaukee wouldn't be a bad fit imo.
Milwaukee wouldn't be a bad fit imo.
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Originally Posted by Proshares
I thought Bynum was the only thing y'all needed to beat Boston in 08?
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A big man who cant block shots, isnt a big man.
Any team playing him as their starting CENTER, isnt going to get far. He needs to be next to a true center, Bogut, Lopez, Bynum, Dwight, etc.
Any team playing him as their starting CENTER, isnt going to get far. He needs to be next to a true center, Bogut, Lopez, Bynum, Dwight, etc.
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we're like less than 2 years removed from you saying Josh Boone is better, soo...
I've always been a fan of his since his rookie year. I said if I can keep Lee at a reasonable price compared to Amare, do that instead of giving Amare a max deal.
But the money he will demand and did demand? No..no way. David Lee is best suited as a great #3 on a team..not a #2 and that's the money he's looking for.
I've always been a fan of his since his rookie year. I said if I can keep Lee at a reasonable price compared to Amare, do that instead of giving Amare a max deal.
But the money he will demand and did demand? No..no way. David Lee is best suited as a great #3 on a team..not a #2 and that's the money he's looking for.
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Ok, maybe this is what I'm getting mixed up here. What is your definition of a "big man"? Is it height (6'9 and above)? Or is it position (PF/C)? Cuz I keep naming a few "big men" who fit both definitions (Amare, West, Scola, Zbo, Jamison, etc...). And NONE of those guys play D like that. So according to you, they are all pretty much useless? I'm confused...
BD, I disagree with this. First of all, Lee's true position is PF. We all know that. So in comparison to his brethren at the PF slot, I don't see why you guys are demanding blocks from him. West gives you .7, Jamison also gives you .7, Scola .3, Zbo .5, Landry .8, Boozer .5...
Secondly, Kevin Love, Brad Miller, & LaMarcus Aldridge are considered centers right? None of those guys are close to a block per game. In other words, you can be a very effective center in this league and not have to be some great defensive presence in the paint.
And allen, I'm gonna have to dig up that Josh Boone quote and see how serious I was.
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Found it.
Come on now!
I said that during Boone's rookie year when he was putting up some solid numbers (8ppg, 7rpg on 55% shooting in only 25 mpg). That same year Lee only averaged 10 and 8. Plus I said "RIGHT NOW". That quote was from nov 08. So yeah, it was probably true that Boone was better than lee at that moment.
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What I'm sayin with all this is now that we have money I want to use it wisely.
I think Aldridge is over paid, I think Amare will get a contract he doesn't deserve. I wouldn't wana pay David West big money, I think Jamison got more than he's worth years ago. Zbo as well.
I understand Lee will get what the market dictates, it's just there's a point I do not want to go over.
It's not to say those guys aren't good players or that David Lee isn't...but don't free up all this money and then go dump it all on David Lee for 11 million a year, you know?
We've been terrible for years with David Lee that can continue without him.
I think Aldridge is over paid, I think Amare will get a contract he doesn't deserve. I wouldn't wana pay David West big money, I think Jamison got more than he's worth years ago. Zbo as well.
I understand Lee will get what the market dictates, it's just there's a point I do not want to go over.
It's not to say those guys aren't good players or that David Lee isn't...but don't free up all this money and then go dump it all on David Lee for 11 million a year, you know?
We've been terrible for years with David Lee that can continue without him.
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None of them are centers. they're all forced to play out of position.
I mean, im not complaining with lee. you know what you get from him, a guy who hustles, and is a good rebounder for his size, can shoot the midrange, finish around the rim, but my goodness hes terrible on D and at blocking shots.
I mean, im not complaining with lee. you know what you get from him, a guy who hustles, and is a good rebounder for his size, can shoot the midrange, finish around the rim, but my goodness hes terrible on D and at blocking shots.
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I'd be content with David Lee at $8-9M. Anything more is laughable.
And let's not try to use the salaries of other players as examples. A majority of those players are vastly overpaid and put their teams in bad spots for years.
And let's not try to use the salaries of other players as examples. A majority of those players are vastly overpaid and put their teams in bad spots for years.
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thats how we do it [laugh] ...were greedy and never satisfied [laugh] plus bynum is a girl
Back when Bynum signed the big deal, I posted in whatever thread was making saying it was a mistake not to wait longer and some dude bashed on me saying his injuries were over and he was proven... I wish I could find that but I'm too lazy.
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Allen basically said the point I was gonna come in here and make.
Lee would not be putting up these stats on a decent team. He's really not as much of an offensive presence as his numbers suggest...that's not to say he's overrated and sucks and blah blah but David Lee is not a $10 mill a year guy.
He still might be able to get that money though.
Lee would not be putting up these stats on a decent team. He's really not as much of an offensive presence as his numbers suggest...that's not to say he's overrated and sucks and blah blah but David Lee is not a $10 mill a year guy.
He still might be able to get that money though.
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Why are people listing teams that have PF's & Centers already?
