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******** interested in Gregg Williams' son

******** owner Daniel Snyder fired defensive coordinator Gregg Williams after the 2007 season, ending Williams's successful four-year tenure with the team. Now, it appears that a member of Williams's family could join the first staff of new ******** head coach Mike Shanahan.

Shanahan is interested in interviewing Blake Williams, Gregg's son, for a position, two league sources said recently. Williams, who holds a degree from Princeton, currently is an offensive coaching assistant for the New Orleans Saints, for whom his father is the defensive coordinator.

Blake assists the Saints' offensive coaches "in all aspects of game preparation, including film breakdown, player and unit scouting reports, the creation of playbooks and during practice," according to the team's website. He served as a coaching intern with the ******** during the 2006-07 season and last season worked as a defensive assistant under his father with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Obviously, with the Saints seeded first in the NFC playoffs, they're a little busy right now, and the ******** would have to seek permission to interview Blake. But Shanahan apparently has been interested in Blake for quite some time, and he plans to move aggressively to complete his staff, the sources said.

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Good to see no trophies or Snyder in the PC.

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@ the difference in answers when asked aboutCampbell and Portis (When I find a full transcript/pictures/videos, I'll put it here)

He also mentioned about he likes to go out for Camp and if it's possible he would...(I think that's important, get this feeling that ******* Park istoo relaxing..)

Love how always mentioned him and Bruce when talking about descion making (No Dan)
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So here's a transcript of the PC from yesterday thanks to Extremeskins :

January 6, 2010
******** Park


Executive Vice President/Head Coach Mike Shanahan
Introductory Press Conference



Executive Vice President/General Manager Bruce Allen opening remarks:
"I described some characteristics we were looking for in a head coach. We were looking for a man who is passionate about football, passionate about the ******** history, someone who had a good winning record, and someone who could lead our team on and off the field, lead our coaches on and off the field, to the greatest heights. Ladies and gentlemen, we got our man. You have been handed out a lot of information and statistics of accomplishments of Coach Shanahan. His record, over the time of being a head coach, and assistant coach, in both the NFL and college, has some amazing accomplishments. From Super Bowls to playoff victories, to individual player accomplishments, this man has proven to be one of the most consistent winners in the history of the NFL. Today, we're staring at a man who the New York Times once said, 'He dares to be great.' Ladies and gentlemen, I want to introduce you to our new head coach, ******** coach Mike Shanahan."

Executive Vice President/Head Coach Mike Shanahan opening remarks:
"I'm excited and honored to be the head coach of the Washington ********. You take a look at the history and you take a look at the Hall of Fame, the great coaches, and the great players, what an honor it is to be the head coach of this franchise. It's a very, very special place - Super Bowls and World Championships. That's what you call a franchise that has a great history. I'm looking forward to leading this football team. I'm excited to be here.

"I want to thank Dan [Snyder] for the opportunity to be his head football coach. I promise you I won't disappoint you. I'm going to give it everything I got. One of the reasons that I am here, is that I have never met a guy that is more positive, and more passionate about the Washington ********. His desire to do things the right way give me every opportunity and this organization every opportunity to be successful. That doesn't happen very often in the NFL, when you go to a place and that person is going to give you every chance to win a Super Bowl. That's why we are in this game.

"I've had a chance to know Bruce [Allen] for a number of years. The respect that I have for him as an agent, as a GM, as an executive, is second to none. I have watched him perform in different situations in NFL meetings. I'm excited to be working with him and putting our best team together that we can possibly put together. It just doesn't happen overnight, as we all know, but we're going to give you the best shot that we have.

"I'd also like to thank Sandy Montag and Steven Kay for getting this contract done with Mr. Snyder. It's something that you guys have done and worked on over the last couple of days. Thank you for being here. Also my wife, for putting up with me for 32 years; moving after being in a place for 15 years. In the coaching profession, we have actually moved in and out of 30 homes. That kind of gives you an idea and we have been in one home for 15 years, so that's part of the coaching profession.

"I'm looking forward to meeting the players on this team. It's something that will take a little time. I'm looking forward to sitting down with every one of the players that have been here, the coaching staff that has been here and get a chance to sit down with them and evaluate them - have a good conversation obviously.

"Then to the fans - I think one of the great stories that I have, is I think it was 2004 when I was with the Denver Broncos playing the ******** in a preseason game and John Elway was being inducted into the Hall of Fame. I looked around and said, 'Who's being inducted from Washington?' because 80 percent of the fans were Washington ******** fans. I said, 'I have never seen a group of fans come to a preseason game like that.' The support was overwhelming. I'm looking forward to being a part of this franchise."

On his role and how he and Executive Vice President/General Manager Bruce Allen will work together:
"First off, we're a team. One of the reasons I was so excited to work with Bruce is I have watched him worked at the NFL level. I have watched him work as an agent and I wanted somebody that I knew would give me his opinion on everything. I've been friends with Dan [Snyder] for about 10 years and we've talked about coaches through the years. We've talked about GMs. We've talked about coordinators. We've had a relationship for a long time and when Bruce became available after the end of last season, I said something to Dan [Snyder], 'Dan', I said, 'A guy like Bruce doesn't come along very often.' I said, 'Somebody is going to gobble him up very quickly,' not knowing he was going to gobble him up. I'm very happy to be working with Bruce."

On how long it will take him to evaluate the current assistant coaches and what he looks for in his assistant coaches:
"First off, what I would like to do is sit down with every coach that would like to stay here and get to know them, get to know their philosophies and their beliefs. I was an assistant coach for a lot of years. You understand how much time and effort goes into the assistant coaching position and profession. I'll get a chance to get a good feel on this staff. I am not going to make very many staff moves right away. I want to take my time. A lot of people want to come to the Washington ******** and be a part of this organization, the history, the leadership and the chance to do things that have been done in the past that will hopefully be done in the near future. I'll get a chance to sit down with all of those guys and make a decision hopefully in a short time so if they aren't retained they got a chance to look elsewhere."

On what his priorities are in the next few weeks:
"There are so many things. We'll sit down together, we'll put a calendar together. For the next six months, we'll get a chance to, obviously first thing, put a staff together which will take us a few weeks to put together. As I said, I will interview a number of people in a lot of different positions trying to put the best staff together, not to just jump into it very quickly but get a good evaluation on the top people that are out there. Obviously, start working on our X's and O's once we do get out staff and putting the offensive playbook together, a defensive playbook and special teams and doing the things that you have to do to get ready for the season."

On his initial impressions of quarterback Jason Campbell:
"Well, I am looking forward to working with him. I just love the way Jason handles himself. I am looking forward to sitting down and watching film and going through every play that he has had throughout his career and sitting down and talking to him and hopefully the best years are ahead. That is a process that will take some time."

On discussing what he has done over the last year and if he re-evaluated some of the things that didn't go well towards the end of his time with the Denver Broncos:
"Well, I think you always evaluate yourself as a coach. You're a product of your environment. As you go back in your career you know you made some mistakes, so as you get older you're hoping to get better. It's been a good year off for me to sit back and really evaluate a lot of things that I've done. I got a chance to sit back and actually realize what a great game this is in the NFL. I've enjoyed watching more games and doing things that I've never done before, but at the same time very anxious to get back. There's probably only one person that wants me back more than myself, and that's my wife. She'd probably get a little tired of me after a short time, so I'm anxious to get back and she's more anxious to have me back."

On when he met with Daniel Snyder during the season in Denver, and what those conversations were like:
"Like I said before, I've known Dan [Snyder] for 10 years - we met at the Pro Bowl - and we've talked pretty consistently over the last 10 years. As a head coach, he was right across the table from me - the ******** and the Broncos were right across the table during the Owners Meetings - and being in the NFC and the AFC we really didn't compete on a year-in, year-out basis, so we've had a lot of different conversations. I did not meet with Dan in Denver, but we did talk throughout the year as we have over the last 10 years. Like I said, he's a guy that has more passion for this organization than anybody I've ever seen."

Bruce Allen
On how soon he contacted Mike Shanahan after he got on the job:

"Coach Shanahan and I have competed against each other over the years, and he can tell you the record because that's one of those things that I've tried to forget. I think the word domination comes to mind when you look at those statistics. This offseason when we were both out of work we had several conversations about what we were seeing in the NFL, and it was a very unusual time to pick each other's brains on what we saw with different teams. We called him Sunday night after our game, and told him what we needed. We needed somebody to lead our players, control our coaches, and demonstrate the type of leadership that will help us win."

Mike Shanahan
On his impressions of running back Clinton Portis over the last few seasons, and how he plans to use him going forward:

"It's hard to say that right now. I've got to go back and look at all of the film. Just to watch a game and not be around Clinton [Portis] in the offseason program, not watching him on a day-to-day basis, judging him would not be fair to him, and not be fair to you. Like all players, as they get older, the key is how they work in the offseason program, and what they do to make themselves better as veterans. I've been around some veterans that have been very successful, and all of the sudden they quit working out, and as a running back you can fall off of a cliff. If you make a commitment that you're going to be the best that you can possibly be, or you've got the passion and the work ethic to be as good as you can possibly be, then you've got a chance to be something special. Looking at Clinton a year ago, in the first half of the season, you could see how well he played. To say that right now, with the injuries and what's happened would be obviously premature at this time. I do love his toughness. He was obviously very productive when he was with Denver."

On who has final decision making authority on football operations:
"I think everybody kind of asks and they want to know. When I was in Denver, I had final say on everything, supposedly, and the press kind of took it and ran with it. I never had to make that decision. We will work together. One of the reasons I was so excited about Bruce [Allen] is I know Bruce will not agree with me on a lot of things and that's what I am looking for. I wanted a guy that has experience in the National Football League as an executive, as a GM, as an agent, knowing the salary cap and knowing personnel. I want a guy that knows that like I know football and Bruce [Allen] is that guy. We will work together. Do I have the final say? Maybe you could say that, but you know what, together I would never use that because we will work as a team."

On possibly working with his son, Kyle Shanahan, as the offensive coordinator:
"Anytime you talk about your son, you've had a few conversations along the line. Bruce [Allen] was very gracious, him and Jon Gruden, to give my son the opportunity to learn in the National Football League after being a graduate assistant over at UCLA. They gave him an opportunity to work with a guy like Jon [Gruden], who in my opinion, you don't get any better than Jon Gruden, the X's and O's, his enthusiasm and his leadership and to be with a guy like Bruce [Allen], what a great opportunity for my son. Therefore, I thought he had his first couple of years as a great opportunity to be successful. Then he got the opportunity over the last couple of years to be an offensive coordinator and I think he's done a very good job taking advantage of that opportunity. I am excited because I know what he brings to the table. I've obviously watched him grow as a person and as a man and he loves football. He's been around it throughout his career. Just like Bruce [Allen], he's been around football, with a Hall of Fame dad. You just kind of know, you got a lot of confidence and very proud of his stats over the last couple of years. I know they would've liked to have been in the playoffs but I am looking forward to having him on our staff. I think he'll bring a lot to our football team."

On balancing his responsibilities as head coach with his responsibilities with personnel and the lessons he can bring from Denver to Washington:
"There are always lessons. Anytime you are a head football coach for 14 years, as I said before, you make some mistakes, you do some good things, you kind of get an idea on what it takes to be successful as an organization. You're looking for that consistency. You're looking for discipline in your program. You're looking for those athletes that are positive, that are passionate on what they are doing and we're the ********, if we got any problems it stays within our football team. Nobody goes outside the football team. It's going to be a strong, disciplined football team I can tell you that."

On the offensive influences in his career:
"Well, first of all, I hate to just say offense because as a head football coach I understand what it takes to win super bowls. It's more than offense. It's offense, defense and special teams. The teams that I have been on that have competed in those championship games had everything. You got to have the best from the top to the bottom. I'm going to go out and get the best coaches that I can find. I'm going to go try and get the best. I want every assistant coach to know more about that position than me. That's what I am going to look for. My job is trying to get this team to play at a certain level. The coordinators, the running game obviously, the defense, the run defense, rushing game, you can look at all of those stats but the bottom line is we got to play as a team. There is only one way you have consistency, you got to do things right every day. If you do things right every day, then you got a chance to get better. It's not going to be what we're going to do next year, it's what we're going to do today and how we are getting better as an organization and that does take a lot of effort from a lot of people."

On if there are similarities between the new organizational dynamic and what existed between former owner Jack Kent Cooke, former general manager Bobby Beathard and former head coach Joe Gibbs:
"I would say that's a good comparison right there. I was lucky enough when I was an assistant coach [with Denver] in 1986 to come out here with Coach [Gibbs]. I was talking to Joe Bugel a little while ago and with the whole crew that used to be here. We came here for three days and we just talked about the NFC East and the AFC West. And we both went to the Super Bowl that year. I got a chance to get to know Joe [Gibbs], as well as the other coaches, and we've had relationships since then. That's what you want to do. As I've mentioned before, you want to get the best you can get at every position and I believe Bruce [Allen] is the best at what he does. I want people to challenge me, assistant coaches as well as personnel people. We're going to get the best guy in charge of college, the best guy in charge of pro and hopefully together we can do something special."

On how familiar he was with the ******** and if he ever thought this was a job he would like, even before he talked to Daniel Snyder:
"Well, to be honest with you, we had some conversations - we were sitting at the table one time and Mr. Snyder said to Mr. Bowlen, 'I want to trade for your coach.' Pat looks at me and says, 'Don't pay any attention to him.' Anyway, we've had some fun through the years. I really didn't think about going outside of Denver at that time. I really didn't. But, I am so looking forward to being a part of this organization. Like I said before, there's very few people that I know that want to win as consistently and I don't think I've met a person that is more passionate about the Washington ******** than our owner. One of the great, I don't know if it's a story, but I talked to Coach Gibbs yesterday and he says, 'Mike, I've never had anyone support me more than Dan Snyder. You're talking about being the most positive guy. You're talking about a guy being passionate. He'll give you every opportunity to be successful.' And I've got so much respect for Coach Gibbs and what he's accomplished on and off the football field. When I think about him as a man, coming from a guy like that said it all. I also talked to Marty Schottenheimer who was obviously here for a year. He said, 'Mike, if that opportunity presents itself, jump on it because you'll love him.' Those are the things I look at from people who have been in the business. Do you have an opportunity with the owner to give you the best chance to win? If you have that as an assistant coach or a head coach, you feel like you're at the right spot."

On if ******** fans should brace for a rebuilding period:

"That's always tough because I always hate to use the word rebuilding. I think any time you win four games that's going to happen. People are going to talk about rebuilding and doing the things that it takes to be the best team possible. I've got very high standards just like everybody in this organization. I can't tell you how long it's going to take, but I can guarantee you one thing - we'll get better every day and hopefully it won't be long until we're back to where this organization has been."

On his philosophy on having training camp at the team facility or going to an outside location:
"Well, I've done it both ways. I've had more success going outside because the Super Bowls that I've gone to, the championship teams I've been with, most of the time we went out to camp. In Denver, for a number of years, we were at the facility. I kind of enjoy going away if you can get the right environment. You've got to have the right fields, the right facility, the right meeting rooms and if that's possible, I would like to go to a camp. But I'm not sure that that's possible because you've got to have a quality field and you've got to be able to have meeting rooms. We'll look into that and do the best thing for the ********."

On what the year off from coaching did for his perspective:
"It was so different, to be honest with you, watching a football game. I'd watch every game. In the early slot, I'd watch four or five, then in the afternoon and then in the evening. It's amazing when you don't have the pressure of getting ready for a game how enjoyable it is to watch games. I never really enjoyed watching games during the season because you had so much on your mind and you were thinking about the next opponent, the next game. But I can tell why this sport is so popular because I thoroughly enjoyed it. I got a chance to study different teams, different coaches. I got a chance to watch different people with their interviews and how they handled success and adversity. It was something that was a good experience for me."

On how much of a rebuilding process there will be along the offensive line:
"Well like I said, I'm going to have to evaluate that over the next few weeks and I'll be able to give you a better answer after looking at all the film and talking to some of these guys. What we're going to do is take a look at our personnel before we decide exactly what we will do offensively, defensively, and on special teams. That's part of it. As we talked about before, we'll be working hard every day to improve our talent level, to improve the competition so we can get back to where we've been."
 
Whats your thoughts on us swtiching to a 3-4 Defense

I was all for it at first but my man said one of the reasons Haynesworth came to DC was to play in a 4-3 Defense...if we switch to a 3-4 he may have problems
 
I don't know if switching to a 3-4 would benefit our defense now. Probably in the long run, but not now because we have 4-3 personnel not 3-4.

The only person on the defense that can play in a 3-4 is probably Orakpo, but he is a much better 4-3 end the LB point blank.

I think we will play pro-dominantly 4-3 and have a few 3-4 blitz packages. (At least that's what I am hoping)
 
yeah, count me in on not really trusting this haslett signing as a good thing..
 
Other news/articles :

Turner new RB's coach / Spanos new LB'er coach

Switch to a 3-4 defense might work for ********

******** won't raise general admission prices


Blache announces retirement

Also, Jason La Confora reports Danny Smith might stay on as STs coach.
 
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The # 1 thing I wanted to see was how Trent would do and he did damn good in his 1st outing. It's going to be fun to see how Shanahan uses Cooley/Davis in this offense...I didn't like how the defense looked though (the starters that is) besides the Hall INT, they looked shaky to me. But I know, they need much more time...

Next Up vs Baltimore in Fedex next Saturday...a much better test with those weapons they have.
 
...and here's a gif of the Wall Dance by Brandon Banks for you Wizard Fans...

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Incumbent starter Clinton Portis opened the game with the first offensive unit and carried six times for 22 yards. Shanahan said afterward that the plan was for Portis to play between 15 and 20 plays, and then turn it over to second-year back Ryan Torain and rookie Keiland Williams. That pair combined for 113 yards on 28 carries, including two touchdowns from Williams.

The result: veterans Larry Johnson and Willie Parker, both signed as free agents, didn't play against Buffalo. That was, Shanahan said, by design. Johnson will get the bulk of the carries in next Saturday's game against Baltimore at FedEx Field, and Parker will get the most work on Aug. 26 at the New York Jets.

"It's kind of the only way you can evaluate running backs," Shanahan said. "You just can't put them in for three or four plays and take them out."

Parker, who had spent his entire career with Pittsburgh, said Shanahan told the players of the plan on Wednesday and said, "I'm okay with it."
"You just got to play," Parker said. "It ain't really just on that one game. It's really just practicing and everything that's involved. I'm all for the challenge."

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/*******sinsider/albert-haynesworth/
Albert Haynesworth fielded questions following Friday night's win against the Bills. It's the first time he's done so since last season. Because we've waited so long to hear from him, let's go over the entirety of what Haynesworth said to reporters following Friday's game.

On the adjustment: "It's different, but I like it. It's something I got to get used to. Other than that, it's going to be a good defense. It'll allow me to pass rush and everything like that, which is important to me."

On the differences: "What I was told earlier was completely different from what we're doing now. Getting with Haslett these last few weeks has really cleared up a whole lot of stuff. I really enjoy it, and it's great to have him on my side to help me with the defense and stuff."

More on the adjustment: "I've never really played the nose, straight-up nose, so it's a little different. But the one thing is, you do get double-teams, but you got linebackers coming downhill, so they're not going to stand there the whole time, which in a 4-3, they were going to stay on you. ...now it's a lot different. It's still going sideways, which I'm not used to. But after getting all that stuff down, I think it'll be pretty good."

On his ability to make plays: "Oh yeah, you can see in practice, you can see in the games and stuff. I'm going to have one-on-ones and things like that. So it's up to me to beat those one-on-ones and get back in the backfield."

On public criticism: "I don't care. I mean, hell, people been talking about me since I've been born, so it ain't nothing different now."

On starting: "I think I got the talent to play it. I picked up the defense pretty fast. Hey, it's not my call."

More on starting: "Whatever they want me to do, man. I'm just going to keep playing. I know I'm a good player and eventually I'll be with the first team."

On his knee: "Knee's good. It's just stuff I've had to deal with the last few years. It was nothing new, nothing out of the ordinary what I was doing."

More on the defense: "I think it's going to be a great defense. The way we rush and the way we get after people. They're not going to be able to run the ball on us; they're going to have to pass. It's going to free me up for one-on-ones, and hopefully I can have a good season with it."

On problems with teammates: "My teammates, the guys I hang out with and talk to, they never had anything. They said, do what you gotta got to do. They know it's a business, and they understand my position."
On his relationship with Shanahan: "He's a head coach, I'm a player. That's what it is."

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When Brandon Banks took that third quarter punt back 77 yards for a touchdown, he finished by doing the John Wall Dance, as popularized by the Wizards' first-round draft pick. I assumed that this was just because, well, that's what D.C. athletes are gonna be doing to celebrate now that Wall is in town, but it turns out to be a little bit more than that: Banks and Wall, it transpires, are old friends.

"We grew up in a little community together," Banks said. "We're real, real tight. We talk back and forth. That's my homeboy."
The "little community" in question is Raleigh, North Carolina, and Banks's journey from there to D.C. has been anything but direct. His first stop, on the recommendation of his college track coach, was a junior college in California; from there he went on to start at Kansas State, and from there he went undrafted and signed with Washington.

"I went from Raleigh to Cali to Kansas," Banks said. And to somehow wind up back in the same town as his old friend after all that?

(There's more...)
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My homie Ryan look real good out there running the rock. Mike drafted him in Denver so he likes the kid.
 
So, I watched the 1st Raider preseason game yesterday and J. Campbell looked... like Alex Smith used to look in his early years. (No confidence in his throwing ability, always taking the check down passes and lack of accuracy in med-long range passes)


I'm curious if this was him still trying to figure out the offensive system or if this was how he played in WAS these past few years?!?

can someone fill me in plz
 
Imma colts fan but want the skins to win since they are the home team go skins
 
The ******** fear that free safety Kareem Moore could be sidelined four to six weeks after suffering what initially appears to be a sprained right medial collateral ligament, two people familiar with the situation said early Sunday morning.

Moore's injury occurred in the second quarter Saturday night during a 23-3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens at FedEx Field. The third-year player went down without being hit while in pursuit of Haruki Nakamura, who ran 51 yards on a direct-snapped fake punt.

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Fat bastard pissed off...
 
It seems clear that Clinton Portis will retain his position as the ********' top back to open the season.
Although Coach Mike Shanahan insists the competition at running back, as well as most positions, still is open with two preseason games remaining, it would be extremely surprising if Portis is not the starter in the regular-season opener Sept. 12 against the NFC East rival Dallas Cowboys at FedEx Field.

Portis had another effective, albeit brief, performance during Saturday night's 23-3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens at FedEx. Working primarily as the ********' third-down back, Portis gained 14 yards on two rushes and had a five-yard reception.

Meanwhile, Larry Johnson, presumably Portis's chief competitor for the first-team job, had a poor outing in his "showcase" game. The starter Saturday in the back rotation (Portis started the preseason opener against Buffalo), Johnson gained only four yards on eight rushes and was ineffective as a receiver out of the backfield and as a blocker on passing plays.

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Rookie left tackle Trent Williams suffered an elbow contusion after getting hit by a helmet on his right arm, he said.

Williams came out of the locker room after halftime with the arm in a sling, but he said it was precautionary and that X-rays were negative. Williams said the injury should not keep him out.

"It's fine. I just caught a helmet to the forearm," Williams said.

It was a rough outing for the 2010 first round draft pick in the second preseason game of his career.

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He got owned several times in last night's game, but I like it... for he can work on it and he faces another great test at least for a little while vs NYJ...
 
Right on Albert Haynesworth, good for you!!  I'm glad he's calling out the coach and anybody else as well.  Even told them that he want be at some of the off-season camps next year as well, now that's how you do it.  More power to him.
 
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Right on Albert Haynesworth, good for you!!  I'm glad he's calling out the coach and anybody else as well.  Even told them that he want be at some of the off-season camps next year as well, now that's how you do it.  More power to him.

He is getting treated like crap but i mean dude got a check for 21 mil.....i have 0 sympathy....just do your job.

But thought the game went ok vs Baltimore.  If Fred Davis makes that catch in the back of the endzone that hit him in the hands we take an early lead.  And if we don't get beat on a punt fake run (gay preseason call by harabough) then its 16-10 we lose but more respectable. 

LJ looked sub par. Portis looked ok.  Armstrong looked good again at WR hope he works out for us.
 
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our D looked good without Haynesworth anyway

Even though McNabb didn't look as good as he did last week he still gives us a chance against anyone

And we need to get rid of Larry Johnson and keep one of those young backs...he looked horrible out there
 
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