Hide Ya Wives, Hide Ya Kids: Worldwide Coronavirus Pandemic!

[mplsdunk]

respect to you guys.

I feel like half the time the parents are worse than the kids. Yelling at you guys because their kid doesn’t log on and fails all the classes.

 

[wallyhopp]

Why wouldn’t they quarantine if they can still spread it?

 

[whywesteppin]

Why wouldn’t they quarantine if they can still spread it?

We need more data but if the numbers hold up then vaccinated people transmit the virus at 1/20th to 1/10th the rate of unvaccinated hosts making them practically unimportant for spread of the virus.

We can't live in this endless doomsday world and instead have to find reasonable compromises based on the science, otherwise people are noncompliant and we do more harm than good.

As an example -- early on, we told people with any symptoms to quarantine for 14 days. It made sense at first when we didn't know what was going on, but now they've revised it to be more practical, with quarantine times reduced to 7-10 days and less strict about nonspecific symptoms.

 

[wallyhopp]

Thanks. I’m just saying. Why change something so drastic if the early numbers are barely in. With 3-4 variants, I guess they can just change it up in a month if things don’t get better?

They’re better off being overly cautious until a full study has been done. If they need more official data, why not wait it out? We’ve waited this long.
We were told not long ago that a group of fully vaccinated people should still follow all regular mask and distancing procedures? Are they 1/20th less contagious to the point they don’t need masks?

 

[mplsdunk]

I get what you’re saying but the people that are overly cautious are like 1/20 as it is already.

 

[Blake P]

Thanks. I’m just saying. Why change something so drastic if the early numbers are barely in. With 3-4 variants, I guess they can just change it up in a month if things don’t get better?

They’re better off being overly cautious until a full study has been done. If they need more official data, why not wait it out? We’ve waited this long.
We were told not long ago that a group of fully vaccinated people should still follow all regular mask and distancing procedures? Are they 1/20th less contagious to the point they don’t need masks?

It will also help push people who are on the fence about getting vaccinated to do it so they can avoid having to quarantine. IMO, anything to get more people vaccinated is a good thing. With mounting evidence that vaccinated individuals are less likely to spread the virus, it makes sense to give that added incentive.

 

[whywesteppin]

Thanks. I’m just saying. Why change something so drastic if the early numbers are barely in. With 3-4 variants, I guess they can just change it up in a month if things don’t get better?

They’re better off being overly cautious until a full study has been done. If they need more official data, why not wait it out? We’ve waited this long.
We were told not long ago that a group of fully vaccinated people should still follow all regular mask and distancing procedures? Are they 1/20th less contagious to the point they don’t need masks?

I think this is just saying that vaccinated people don't have to stay home for two weeks. They would still need to wear a mask in public.

I agree though in general that we should hold out for 6 more weeks with current restrictions. Once we get to the spring, it'll be a different ballgame, and the less opportunity we give for new variants until then the better.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Bruh, I am a Dean in a high school here in metro Detroit and I haven't worked this hard ever in person. We have a plan in place to start bringing in some of our K-2 kids but whole school we probably won't go till we start summer school when we can actually put the plan in place and see how it works. I also coach basketball so Michigan just opened up this week for games and we have players come to the school for virtual learning on game days but that is just a small minority.

I am surprised yall are even doing WInter Sports.

Our Fall and Winter Seasons were cancelled.

We are now looking toward SPring Sports.

 

[Grine]

 

[blastercombo]

We need more data but if the numbers hold up then vaccinated people transmit the virus at 1/20th to 1/10th the rate of unvaccinated hosts making them practically unimportant for spread of the virus.

We can't live in this endless doomsday world and instead have to find reasonable compromises based on the science, otherwise people are noncompliant and we do more harm than good.

As an example -- early on, we told people with any symptoms to quarantine for 14 days. It made sense at first when we didn't know what was going on, but now they've revised it to be more practical, with quarantine times reduced to 7-10 days and less strict about nonspecific symptoms.

Exactly. At some point things will have to be “good enough”. I think vaccination is that point

 

[youngcfromthad]

I am surprised yall are even doing WInter Sports.

Our Fall and Winter Seasons were cancelled.

We are now looking toward SPring Sports.

It's kind of a bad spot really. A lot of the top players in our state have left to go to prep schools. If you are not on Emoni Bates team (Ypsi Prep) the only prep school in Michigan, you couldn't play. So to stop the leaving they had to. Kids already lost the end of last year and now this year we are playing a modified schedule. No jump ball to start the game, road team gets it in 1st and 3rd. Home Team 2nd and 4th. Overtime coin flip for possession. Recruiting is the thing a lot of kids are being told by universities that you need to go to prep for a year because everyone in the NCAA gets that covid year. Plus trying to monitor these virtual classes all day, drive up attendance all the other school stuff it is crazy.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[youngcfromthad]

Yep...the smaller NAIA D2, D3 schools already announced it. I have a kid that came from my program who was supposed to redshirt, coach said nah you can play and still get an extra year. It is wild.

 

[160jordansdeep]

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

dog this second dose is kicking my behind

had chills and a bad headache during the night couldn't sleep
woke up drenched in sweat
now i just feel super tired or how i would feel recovering from the flu

was thinking of ways to get my energy up?

 

[_relinquo]

Got my email from UCLA last week saying that I'm "on the invite list" since I am an "active UCLA health patient." Curious to see when this invite list is actually going to go out.

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

Got some coffee powerade and monster

boutta kick this fatigues butt

 

[stuntman mike]

Got some coffee powerade and monster

boutta kick this fatigues butt

i was sick for about 20 hours and all of a sudden, it switched off. my co-workers all had pretty much the same experience except 2 out of about 40 had zero symptoms.

 

[whywesteppin]

My phone's 5g has been growing stronger every day, stronger every day. Thank you to all you guinea pigs.

 

[DesD1]

dog this second dose is kicking my behind

had chills and a bad headache during the night couldn't sleep
woke up drenched in sweat
now i just feel super tired or how i would feel recovering from the flu

was thinking of ways to get my energy up?

Those were my symptoms when I first got it

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

i was sick for about 20 hours and all of a sudden, it switched off. my co-workers all had pretty much the same experience except 2 out of about 40 had zero symptoms.

thats not bad, hopefully I will feel better by tomorrow morning. its worth thepain tho

Those were my symptoms when I first got it

How long did they last? pause

 

[DesD1]

thats not bad, hopefully I will feel better by tomorrow morning. its worth thepain tho

How long did they last? pause

Around two days, but I was feeling too miserable so I was binge watching some bs and at the time I thought the headache was me staying up till 4am.

Tbh, on the second day they showed up to test me up, the third day I was feeling alright and on the fourth they told me I was positive, I was already feeling well enough to take better care of me haha

 

[whywesteppin]

I thought this was a good read/take and have similarly felt that sometimes we get too paranoid about the little meaningless things instead of giving people a reasonable amount of freedom and focusing on the big things. We can talk all day about whether we should have outdoor dining but it doesn't matter if people are congregating in private homes, for example. We can spend tons of time and energy patrolling college campuses to prevent spread, or we can put all our energy into vaccinating everybody as quickly as possible. etc

The Morning: Covid absolutism

Good morning. We look at the debate over coronavirus absolutism.

Spoiler

Covid testing as exercise
In a public health emergency, absolutism is a very tempting response: People should cease all behavior that creates additional risk.

That instinct led to calls for gay men to stop having sex during the AIDS crisis. It has also spurred campaigns for teen abstinence, to reduce sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancies. And to fight obesity, people have been drawn to fads like the elimination of trans fats or carbohydrates.

These days, there is a new absolutist health fad: the discouragement — or even prohibition — of any behavior that seems to increase the risk of coronavirus infection, even minutely.

People continue to scream at joggers, walkers and cyclists who are not wearing masks. The University of California, Berkeley, this week banned outdoor exercise, masked or not, saying, “The risk is real.” The University of Massachusetts Amherst has banned outdoor walks. It encouraged students to get exercise by “accessing food and participating in twice-weekly Covid testing.”

A related trend is “hygiene theater,” as Derek Thompson of The Atlantic described it: The New York City subway system closes every night, for example, so that workers can perform a deep cleaning.

There are two big questions to ask about these actions: How much are they doing to reduce the spread of the virus? And do they have any downside?

No documented cases
The answer to the first question, according to many experts, is: They seem to do little good. Prohibiting outdoor activity is unlikely to reduce the spread of the virus, nor is urging people always to wear a mask outdoors.

Worldwide, scientists have not documented any instances of outdoor transmission unless people were in close conversation, Dr. Muge Cevik, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, told me. “The small number of cases where outdoor transmission might have occurred,” she wrote on Twitter, “were associated with close interactions, particularly extended duration, or settings where people mixed indoors alongside an outdoor setting.” The new variants of the virus are more contagious, but there is no evidence to suggest they will change this pattern.

As my colleague Tara Parker-Pope puts it, “Avoid breathing the air that other people exhale.”

A student walking across campus — let alone a masked student — presents little risk to another student who remains at least six feet away. The same goes for joggers in your neighborhood.

The story is similar for deep cleaning. “Scientists increasingly say that there is little to no evidence that contaminated surfaces can spread the virus,” my colleagues Mike Ives and Apoorva Mandavilli have written. The one surface that is important to wash, frequently and vigorously, is the human hand.

Which brings us to the second question — whether there is any downside to absolutism. Covid-19 is a horrible disease. And the notion that a jogger somewhere might infect somebody she passes, even from more than six feet away, is scientifically plausible.

So why not take every possible precaution at all times?

Unintended consequences
The short answer is: because we are human.

Taking every possible precaution is unrealistic, just as telling all gay men and teenagers to abstain from sex was unrealistic. Human beings are social creatures who crave connection and pleasure and who cannot minimize danger at all times.

Despite the risks, we eat carbs, drink wine, go sledding and even ride in automobiles. We enjoy taking outdoor walks and drinking a cup of coffee on a public bench. Many people who exercise find it difficult to do so in a mask. “It feels a bit like suffocating,” Shannon Palus wrote in Slate.

I’ve noticed that some of the clearest voices against Covid absolutism are researchers who have spent much of their careers studying HIV, including Cevik, Julia Marcus, Sarit Golub and Aaron Richterman. They know the history. The demonization of sex during the AIDS crisis contributed to more unsafe sex. If all sex is bad, why focus on safe sex?

There is a similar dynamic with Covid. “People do not have unlimited energy, so we should ask them to be vigilant where it matters most,” Cevik has written.

Telling Americans to wear masks when they’re unnecessary undermines efforts to persuade more people to wear masks where they are vital. Remember: Americans are not doing a particularly good job of wearing masks when they make a big difference, indoors and when people are close together outdoors.

Banning college students from outdoor walks won’t make them stay inside their dorm rooms for weeks on end. But it probably will increase the chances that they surreptitiously gather indoors.

And spending money on deep cleaning leaves less money for safety measures that will protect people, like faster vaccination.

“Rules that are really more about showing that you’re doing something versus doing something that’s actually effective” are counterproductive, Marcus told my colleague Ian Prasad Philbrick. “Trust is the currency of public health.”

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

So today all my side effects are gone i feel perfectly fine

 

[160jordansdeep]