I never Knew so many people were against Affirmative Action...

[38816]

Originally Posted by Essential1

ICUP wrote:

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ICUP wrote:

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that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.
Yeah, but it would be more fair than just AA. AA isn't the equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, minorities have lost billions from Jim Crow laws.

understood....but you're looking at it from an pro-AA stance. You have to look at it from an anti-AA stance...
What's the least that you could do?
The least they could do is invest in public education. Revitalize urban centers without moving the poor out (which often happen to be minorities). Bring more educational opportunities for those who are stuck at minimum wage jobs. Although this may be somewhat controversial, but incarceration records should be disclosed in limited situations because many minorities are unable to move up in society because of past mistakes.

That's socialism. [insert cartoon]Why don't blacks just get to moving up the ladder their selves? [/cartoon] ... I'm telling you, alot of whites, understand that there is still inequality. But they just want to brush it under the rug because they are truly sorry for what has been done, but just don't know how to handle it or fix it. But there are many whites who really think it is equal. Black president means equality. There are also whites like myself who are called "racist to white people" because I am vocal about the inequality.


seriously, wanna hit this?

where you from, yo?

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

Originally Posted by Essential1

ICUP wrote:

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ICUP wrote:

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that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.

Yeah, but it would be more fair than just AA. AA isn't the equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, minorities have lost billions from Jim Crow laws.

understood....but you're looking at it from an pro-AA stance. You have to look at it from an anti-AA stance...
What's the least that you could do?
The least they could do is invest in public education. Revitalize urban centers without moving the poor out (which often happen to be minorities). Bring more educational opportunities for those who are stuck at minimum wage jobs. Although this may be somewhat controversial, but incarceration records should be disclosed in limited situations because many minorities are unable to move up in society because of past mistakes.

That's socialism. [insert cartoon]Why don't blacks just get to moving up the ladder their selves? [/cartoon] ... I'm telling you, alot of whites, understand that there is still inequality. But they just want to brush it under the rug because they are truly sorry for what has been done, but just don't know how to handle it or fix it. But there are many whites who really think it is equal. Black president means equality. There are also whites like myself who are called "racist to white people" because I am vocal about the inequality.


seriously, wanna hit this?

where you from, yo?



I don't smoke.

But I'm from Albany, NY

 

[emmanuel goldstein]

lmao ...

 

[38816]

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

Originally Posted by Essential1

ICUP wrote:

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ICUP wrote:

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that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.

Yeah, but it would be more fair than just AA. AA isn't the equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, minorities have lost billions from Jim Crow laws.

understood....but you're looking at it from an pro-AA stance. You have to look at it from an anti-AA stance...
What's the least that you could do?
The least they could do is invest in public education. Revitalize urban centers without moving the poor out (which often happen to be minorities). Bring more educational opportunities for those who are stuck at minimum wage jobs. Although this may be somewhat controversial, but incarceration records should be disclosed in limited situations because many minorities are unable to move up in society because of past mistakes.

That's socialism. [insert cartoon]Why don't blacks just get to moving up the ladder their selves? [/cartoon] ... I'm telling you, alot of whites, understand that there is still inequality. But they just want to brush it under the rug because they are truly sorry for what has been done, but just don't know how to handle it or fix it. But there are many whites who really think it is equal. Black president means equality. There are also whites like myself who are called "racist to white people" because I am vocal about the inequality.


seriously, wanna hit this?

where you from, yo?



I don't smoke.

But I'm from Albany, NY


well, here...

this beer's for you.

, i see you, mister salty.....

 

[superantigen]

Sorry... but BUMP...

I've recommitted myself to reading, [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]White Like Me:Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son[/color] by Tim Wise, after taking some time off to find a summer job. I found said summer job so I'm back toreading this book. I highly recommend that everyone pick this book up because it's very insightful, as it tackles the issue of "privilege" andthe gifts, or lack there of, it bestows upon populations from either ends of the color spectrum.

Now, if I could share something from the section, "NEVER OUT OF PLACE: Whiteness and the Presumption ofBelonging"...

Whiteness,[...], is about never being really out of place, of having access, and, more to the point, the sense that wherever you are, you belong, and won't be likely to encounter much resistance to your presence. Despite my lousy test scores and mediocre grades, no one ever thought to suggest, for example, that I had somehow gotten into _________ because of some form of "preferential treatment," or as a result of standards being lowered. Students of color, though, with similar grades and scores, had to regularly contend with this sort of thing, since they were presumed to be less-qualified beneficiaries of affirmative action.

But what kind of affirmative action had I enjoyed? What preference had I received? Of course it wasn't race directly. It's not as if ________ had admitted me because I was white. It was because I had been on one of the top-ten debate teams in the nation--and that, as we've already discussed, was related to whiteness in many ways--my academic credentials were overlooked. Standards were lowered, but no one seemed to care.

Similarly, I lecture around the country in defense of affirmative action and find it amazing how whites resent the so-called lowering of standards for students of color but swallow without comment the lowering of standards for children of Alumni. Each year, there are thousands of white students who get "bumped," in effect, from the school of their choice, to make way for other whites whose daddies happen to better connected than their own. Yet rarely do critics of affirmative action seem to mind this form of preferential treatment.

Most everyone I met at _________ who was truly stupid[...] was white and rich. Like the one guy who thought he was still supposed to start every research paper with a thesis statement, the way he'd been taught to do it in seventh grade, or the young woman on my hall sophomore year who was stunned when she received an overdraft notice from her bank--after all, there were still checks in her checkbook.

I never heard anyone lament the overrepresentation of the cerebrally challenged white elite at _______, and I doubt anyone is challenging the latest round of similarly mediocre members of the ruling class now. That's what it means to be privileged: wherever you are, it's taken for granted that must deserve to be there. You never seem to spoil the decor, or trigger suspicions of any kind. And it's not only the case with colleges.

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To be white is to rarely find oneself feeling "out of place," the way a person of color would likely have felt [...] that evening. And no, being white in an urban, mostly black and brown community is hardly equivalent.

First off, how many times do whites find ourselves in such places, unless by choice? How often do we simply forget where the so-called ghetto is? Hell, most of us know exactly where it is, and how to avoid it, and we do damn near everything possible to make sure we never have to drive through it. [...] we have the privilege of living where we want for the most part, of being able to avoid such places, to move away, to work elsewhere, to shop elsewhere, or whatever--a privilege people of color often don't have.

On the other hand, people of color are far more likely to find themselves in places where they are the ones out of place than we ever are. People of color can't really avoid white spaces, and if they do, it's probably because they live in the poorest areas and are the most destitute persons of color around. After all, to have much opportunity in the job market, or success in education, typically requires a fairly high level of interaction with white folks, since so much of the power within either setting resides in white hands.

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[rexanglorum]

I have for a while now, though that the best form of reparations and affirmative action is to exempt all blacks (and possibly Native Americans and Hispanics)from taxation for 10-20 years. It gives them a very real leg up and after that period ends it might put a damper and their and other minorities' appetitefor voting for voting in favor of high tax policies.

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

I have for a while now, though that the best form of reparations and affirmative action is to exempt all blacks (and possibly Native Americans and Hispanics) from taxation for 10-20 years. It gives them a very real leg up and after that period ends it might put a damper and their and other minorities' appetite for voting for voting in favor of high tax policies.

Wow Rex that is very interesting proposition. The best arguments against reparations have always been from a policy standpoint this would eliminate thosearguments.

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Sorry... but BUMP...

I've recommitted myself to reading, [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son[/color] by Tim Wise, after taking some time off to find a summer job. I found said summer job so I'm back to reading this book. I highly recommend that everyone pick this book up because it's very insightful, as it tackles the issue of "privilege" and the gifts, or lack there of, it bestows upon populations from either ends of the color spectrum.

Still to this day one of the most interesting speakers I have heard in person. He came to my college to speak, I don't know how involved youare at your school but it shouldn't be that difficult to get him to your school, he is a real intelligent guy, and his book is rather intriguing to say theleast.


The interesting thing about the talk when he came is that a lot of white students left angry

 

[superantigen]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Sorry... but BUMP...

I've recommitted myself to reading, [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son[/color] by Tim Wise, after taking some time off to find a summer job. I found said summer job so I'm back to reading this book. I highly recommend that everyone pick this book up because it's very insightful, as it tackles the issue of "privilege" and the gifts, or lack there of, it bestows upon populations from either ends of the color spectrum.

Still to this day one of the most interesting speakers I have heard in person. He came to my college to speak, I don't know how involved you are at your school but it shouldn't be that difficult to get him to your school, he is a real intelligent guy, and his book is rather intriguing to say the least.


The interesting thing about the talk when he came is that a lot of white students left angry

LMAO at these white students leaving offended. I mean, i can understand it if they were being chastised by say, a black man, word to Michael Eric Dyson, butthat was clearly not the case. Tim Wise is a middle class white man, with affiliations to the white upper class, sharing his experiences on growing up as aprivileged white man is this very racialized society we call America.

If these students, for example, cant bring themselves to accept the truth from one of their own, then what hope is there of educating white people about theunfair advantage they have, and will continue to have, over colored populations in the America. It's just so sad knowing that many of these kids have beenbrought up thinking that they can do no wrong. And because of this, a simple discussion concerning the very obvious privilege they enjoy is taken as an attackon them...This thread holds such evidence...

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[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Sorry... but BUMP...

I've recommitted myself to reading, [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]White Like Me: Reflections on Race From a Privileged Son[/color] by Tim Wise, after taking some time off to find a summer job. I found said summer job so I'm back to reading this book. I highly recommend that everyone pick this book up because it's very insightful, as it tackles the issue of "privilege" and the gifts, or lack there of, it bestows upon populations from either ends of the color spectrum.

Still to this day one of the most interesting speakers I have heard in person. He came to my college to speak, I don't know how involved you are at your school but it shouldn't be that difficult to get him to your school, he is a real intelligent guy, and his book is rather intriguing to say the least.


The interesting thing about the talk when he came is that a lot of white students left angry

LMAO at these white students leaving offended. I mean, i can understand it if they were being chastised by say, a black man, word to Michael Eric Dyson, but that was clearly not the case. Tim Wise is a middle class white man, with affiliations to the white upper class, sharing his experiences on growing up as a privileged white man is this very racialized society we call America.

If these students, for example, cant bring themselves to accept the truth from one of their own, then what hope is there of educating white people about the unfair advantage they have, and will continue to have, over colored populations in the America. It's just so sad knowing that many of these kids have been brought up thinking that they can do no wrong. And because of this, a simple discussion concerning the very obvious privilege they enjoy is taken as an attack on them...This thread holds such evidence...

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Exactly, made me realize just how opposite ends of the spectrum we still are in America. I expected a new appreciation, in return I got the feeling theycategorized him as a #@%+%% lover

@ some people.

 

[si3xers55]

Originally Posted by Jumpshot

wow, racists FTL

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wow, ur avy FTW