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We could never talk like this.
It not just using the word eliteit's not the content of opinion.
it's the act of trying to enforce a minority viewpoint on the broader public,
through privilege and in group pressure, i used elite because a degree is a class signifier.
and a key polarization point in our culture.
if elite is the wrong word, well my bad.
my bad, misunderstood.I am referring to the Jon Stewart video you posted and said you agreed with
You are entitled to your own thoughts and opinions, no one is denying you of that
But you can't claim that you are allowed to critique everyone else's opinions: Online progressives, activists, people on NT, and think that your opinion won't be critiqued too
And you said that the acceptable outcome should be the apology. So you can making a judgment on what other people should accept, where the line should be drawn
Even funnier, you call your opinion fringe given what you have said about cultural progressives
So please, I feel I was completely fair to you given what you posted.
Did I really see Louis CK used as a defense in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty-two?!?
And comedians been covering for the right to say dumb shh with zero consequences since forever
We learn a very simple and obvious lesson as children saying the wrong shh got consequences
Yeah ok
Don't know this dude but quick glance tells me he's a right wing self hating jackass.
Disclaimers when he brings on a white supremacist or conspiracy theoristBy acceptable I mean, if you don't want bans, what else is their other than apologies and promises to not do it again?
my assumption is if you don't want bans I would assume this would be acceptable.
if it's not acceptable, than I assume what people really want is bans.
which I think is counter productive.
Disclaimers when he brings on a white supremacist or conspiracy theorist
Links to reputable articles and podcasts that profile the racist guess he brings on
Commitment to bring on Civil Rights advocates and academics
It is weird. It seems like you have walked back to what you think the solution is. You seemed to agree with me that more speech is needed to check Rogan nonsense and force him to confront challenges to the ****ery he peddles
If Rogan and Spotify want people to believe they want to do better. Welp, maybe actually detail how you will do that.
Now your position is basically "welp, an apology is all you can get "
Fair enoughi don't have a problem with any of that.
i'm arguing against things I think are counter-productive like total deplatfomring.
but i believe you want to substantively want to improve things,
it's harder for me to believe other people when they demand
more extreme, and less effective measures.
You can summarize his position as "let's not do anything or we'll make things worse," which only makes sense outside the historical and sociological context of the last 100-120 years.So you argue this, then turn around and argue that you and others listen to Joe Rogan for reasons other than the ****ed up **** he and his guests say
You are saying here it is normalized because look at his popularity. This implies it is the ****ed up yet normalized **** that has him popular
Then turn around and talk about how there are other reasons why you and millions of others listen to Rogan
If it is a mixed bag, if you think Rogan should be engaged and can be persuaded, then it is not too late in the game to fight against those ideas on his platform
If it really is a lost cause, then that is more reason for "progressives" to want an all-out ban. Because that is the only logical option left.
You're constructing your argument from a conclusion that is not correct.my assumption is if you don't want bans I would assume this would be acceptable.
if it's not acceptable, than I assume what people really want is bans.whichh I think is counter productive.
my point is Louis CK rose to prominence, saying the N-word in his comedy specials,
and in interviews. but conspicuously escaped reprisal for this.
so it's part of the reason I look at white N-word hysteria cynically.
him dropping N bombs dont make any of this shh better
just means he been around the wrong black people.. or the right black people, as he would be concerned
i cant look at chris rock the same no more
I really ain’t feel how Chris Rock’s voice and tone changed up in this setting. **** uncomfortable.
Seinfield actually being the Seinfeld gif. He’s the bare minimum voice of reason.
I really ain’t feel how Chris Rock’s voice and tone changed up in this setting. **** uncomfortable.
Seinfield actually being the Seinfeld gif. He’s the bare minimum voice of reason.
Yet another internal contradiction. You mustn't oppose popularly held prejudices... well, sometimes you can...as I said to rusty not all activist positions are bad.
Trans women in sports is an example where I agree with more with activist position.
but I would also tell them it's a bad idea to try to make
"I don't think trans women should compete in women's sports"
a opinion that you try to shun or suppress people for having.
So the only element necessary to make hate speech unassailable in your view is a beat .it's not the same thing distribution of art and culture to a broad and ideologically diverse audience, because of pressure from in group consumers banning rogan totally
imo that's not productive.
We were talking about CBS radio, but whatever. Feel free to make up some other arbitrary "distinction" to your already jumbled argument as a rationalization.I don't think the rules of network television should apply to the rest of socitey.
I do not care about white people hyperventilating about the n-word.
I look at that totally cynically.
How about we do it this way, are Jews the only major demographic left that he hasn’t said something blatantly offensive towards?
how are you still allowed to post?Lol a lot of these are hilarous as hell except for that last African one which didn’t even make sense and was disrespectful as hell
Guess family guy and South Park need to be removed too than
And I said what wrong ?how are you still allowed to post?
soooooo is there any group that this dude hasn’t said something blatantly offensive towards?
any native american comments?
Don't know about him personally, but he let Alex Jones come on and rant about Native Americans being genetically susceptible to mind control