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:rofl::rofl:Nope, can’t blame the guy who told’em to go jump off that cliff! I mean, when fragile dudes choose a leader, Jim Jones of Jonestown is never the one who tells you to drink the kool aid, right?! You gotta pick that cup yourself! :wow::wow::wow::rofl:
 
Most definitely the other prophets and life coaches I mentioned.

KS is definitely polarizing. And he could probably inject some positive videos on his feed. But that’s not what is making him money at the moment.

Prophets :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Weak people especially men will literally bend down and get reamed repeatedly by anyone who even remotely legitimizes their unexceptional existence. Word to the Trump golden calf.
 
When you filter out the occasional hyperbole and his schtick of being confrontational, I think Samuels has some good points that most adults should consider.

But I also think Kevin Samuels has some bad takes on certain things. Things that touch on very bad sentiments

Incel are extremist in their views, their filter is so strong it is hard to hold public figures with a few bad takes accountable for their actions.

But like with many of these life coach types, they peddle a bunch of bad hot takes, and a bunch of normie dudes confuse someone agreeing with them with a sound argument
 
Prophets :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Weak people especially men will literally bend down and get reamed repeatedly by anyone who even remotely legitimizes their unexceptional existence. Word to the Trump golden calf.
To be quite honest both men and women have that energy. I said in the Jaxn thread I didn’t know who he was until an ex shared his ridiculous videos.

Polight got like 5 wives or whatever. I seen women cape for Umar Johnson.

I’m cool with a MLK, Fred Hampton, Obama, or Malcom X. But not the dude who created the NoI.

I was always told I had mutinous energy. I was cast out of heaven for wearing Chelsea’s.
 
"We're sick and tired of-a your ism-schism game, Dying and going to heaven in-a Jesus' name, lord. We know when we understand: Almighty god is a living man. You can fool some people sometimes, But you can't fool all the people all the time. So now we see the light (what you gonna do?), We gonna stand up for our rights!"

From Get Up, Stand Up

Bob Marley
 
To be quite honest both men and women have that energy. I said in the Jaxn thread I didn’t know who he was until an ex shared his ridiculous videos.

Polight got like 5 wives or whatever. I seen women cape for Umar Johnson.

I’m cool with a MLK, Fred Hampton, Obama, or Malcom X. But not the dude who created the NoI.

I was always told I had mutinous energy. I was cast out of heaven for wearing Chelsea’s.


Man this rant is all over the place. I've also seen Jews cape for Hitler. Anecdotes mean nothing.

I had to google who polight is, and im not sure what that adds to this conversation. :rofl: :rofl:

I'm glad you're cool with MLK, Malcolm and Obama. Add James Baldwin to that list. :pimp:
 
Do your research, understand history. These type guys are always around, as they wrap the good bootstrap news up in a beautiful package, delivered through a tremendous ego, and spoonful of jesus...this is one of my favorite stories...

African American spiritual leader Father Major Jealous Divine was born in 1877. He took birth on a plantation in Hutchinson Island, on the Savannah River in Georgia, United States of America. His original name is George Baker. He came into prominence during The Great Depression of the 1930s. While the United States was reeling under the severity of the depression, Baker founded a cultish religious movement named the 'Peace Mission'. The members of this mission regarded him as an incarnation of God. He preached equal rights for all Americans, irrespective of their color and religious faith.
Baker also prospered as a cunning and experienced businessman amidst the devastations caused by the Great Depression. His farming and retail ventures thrived under his practical and shrewd business acumen in spite of the ongoing recession. The members of the conventional Black church considered him as a hoaxer and also a psychopath. However, his efforts in providing relief to his thousand of depression-stricken disciples were lauded by many contemporary cult leaders.
EARLY LIFE
George Baker began his early career in 1899 as an assistant to Father Jehovia (Samuel Morris). Father Jehovia was the founder of a self-reliant religious group. During the late 1920s, Baker became the first follower of Samuel Morris. While Morris adopted the pseudonym of Father Jehovia and declared himself as the Eternal Father, Baker took the sobriquet of ‘The Messenger’. The duo was later joined by John A. Hickerson, the self-proclaimed Reverend Bishop Saint John the Vine. The trio influenced their disciples with their excellent oratorical skill and a new wave of thought. In 1912, their partnership collapsed, and Baker finally broke away from Morris. Adopting the pseudonym of Father Divine, Baker declared himself to be the God and opposed Father Jehovia’s assertion as the God. “I am the only God. I truly possess expression of God’s spirit. Everybody cannot be God” was his assertion.
THE SOUTHERN SOJOURN
After the three men consortium of God broke-up, Father Divine traveled south. In Georgia alone, he preached extensively. However, in 1913, confrontation with some local ministers led to his arrest, conviction and subsequent imprisonment for 60 days. Upon his release, he managed to gather a group of devotees of mostly Black women and impressed upon them the practice of sexual abstinence or celibacy. This enraged the husbands of his women disciples. On February 6, 1914, the husbands of his women devotees and local preachers got him arrested for lunacy. During his trial, Father Divine proved his mental stability and was released in spite of his maniacal beliefs.

LATER LIFE
In 1914, he traveled to Brooklyn, New York. Along with a small number of his followers, he formed a commune. The commune was housed in a middle-class apartment building in a predominantly Black locality. He prohibited the use of tobacco, alcohol, gambling, and sex in his community. He renamed himself as Reverend Major Jealous Divine by the year 1919. Upon his renaming, Father Divine again relocated to Sayville, New York (Long Island). There, he, along with his followers, became the first Black homeowners of the town.

THE DIVINE INTERVENTION
Based on the complaints lodged by his neighbors, Sayville deputy arrested Father Divine on May 8, 1931. The charge for his arrest was disturbing the peace of the locality. Father Divine successfully furnished his bail bond of $1000 in cash, an astonishing feat on the backdrop of the devastating Great Depression. The trial was slow, and Father Divine was able to garner support for him during the process. During the final trial held on May 24, 1932, Justice Lewis J. Smith convicted him and issued one-year prison sentence to him with an additional fine of $500. In an astonishing event of coincidence, Judge Smith died two days after pronouncing the quantum of punishment. Father Divine and his followers lost no opportunity to describe the incident as ‘Divine intervention’.

RETIREMENT & DEATH
Father Divine moved to Harlem in 1933. He flourished there as a prominent leader as well as a prosperous businessman. He opened residential hotels there and provided food, shelter, and job opportunities to his followers. In 1942, he moved to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Gradually, he withdrew himself from all his regular activities. Thereafter, he spent more than two decades of his remaining life in retirement. On September 10, 1965, Father Divine died of natural causes. During the last two decades of his almost retired life, he fought for civil rights relentlessly.


 
All I know is when Samuels told ole girl her head look like curly fries I lost it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 
While I agree that the incel community is madness and giving them ammo to make them outrage is dangerous, I can't necessarily pin this on varying "life coaches" of youtube. It's not the first someone has committed a crime under the guise of something else and it won't be the last. When James Hodgkinson shot up the baseball field, would you pin that on the Democratic party and Bernie Sanders? Would you say that they need to banned? In the case of the former detective, he had his own problems that appear to stem from his divorce. He seemed to like whatever Greg Adam's is saying, but I wouldn't say that was the reason why he decided to go kill his ex-wife, daughter and her boyfriend.
I listened to Kevin on the JPB a couple nights, I respected a lot of what he was saying like him being #1 in his sales department along hiring an all black team around him. The 1st he hired was a Black woman. That was beautiful ****. Someone posted his styling video in here as well, going over boot his boot collection. That was a a great video, his style is like the polar opposite of mine, mad boujee, but I watched the whole thing and walked away admiring his flyness, and if I did dress like that I'd probably subscribe to his channel for reference point b/c he's every good taste.

However, that's sugar on his ********. For example. he brought up government taking the Black man out of the household, and Black women choosing welfare funding over Black men myth. He didn't bring up Claudine (film) type situations, & he damn sure ain't bring up King v. Smith which was filed by and ruled in favour via the Supreme Court b/c of a Black woman who not only saved her household, but saved Black households all over this country. He did and does a lot in painting Black woman as the villain, and it is very easy to sell his paintings to group ppl that has it in their heads that "they're the villains and I am the hero."

I watched this portion a of the video when y'all were gloating about it like 1:41:00-2:02:32 or something like that and that **** was wrong. Kevin was wrong. He exploited her weakness in her ignorance and made her look like a moron. I blame her just as much b/c she should've been prepared, but Kevin was wrong. He's even rubbing it in by posting b this :lol: Anyone that reads past twitter headlines could've easily shot down that harmful mess he was saying. That man gaslighted that her and made her look more & more pathetic as the video went on.
 
Man this rant is all over the place. I've also seen Jews cape for Hitler. Anecdotes mean nothing.

I had to google who polight is, and im not sure what that adds to this conversation. :rofl: :rofl:

I'm glad you're cool with MLK, Malcolm and Obama. Add James Baldwin to that list. :pimp:
James Baldwin is great. The folks I listed were social activists (and Obama a politician).

The others are self serving narcissists. They do what they do for personal gain and peddle snake oil, bs.

Now this isn’t as bad as say a David Koresh or Yahweh Ben Yahweh...which were outright cult leaders engaging in possible criminal behavior.

But I digress. We’re taken away from the Suede Chelsea’s.
 
However, that's sugar on his bull****. For example. he brought up government taking the Black man out of the household, and Black women choosing welfare funding over Black men myth. He didn't bring up Claudine (film) type situations, & he damn sure ain't bring up King v. Smith which was filed by and ruled in favour via the Supreme Court b/c of a Black woman who not only saved her household, but saved Black households all over this country. He did and does a lot in painting Black woman as the villain, and it is very easy to sell his paintings to group ppl that has it in their heads that "they're the villains and I am the hero."
You say it's a myth, but you also mention king vs Smith which actually shows that they were attempting to separate black families by dangling resources. She fought and was victorious, however, what about those who came before her who did not fight and simply acquiesced? You also mention Claudine the film, but it seems you missed Show Me A Hero(IF I'm not mistaken) they actually touched on the subject. They showed how Government workers would come into homes and tell women that they could not have men around or else they would put them and their children out of the affordable housing and take away any other aid they were providing.

Now, if you think it's farfetched that government would come in and use resources such as housing and money as a divide to help destroy black families, especially in racist states then you are naive and have far too much faith in the Government. If you believe that every single family rejected said resources especially if they are homeless and lack resources, then you're even more naive and see the world in rose-colored shades. These same tactics were used during slavery. Go look up the Willie Lynch letters. Look up divide and conquer. Slave Masters used food and other resources to sow division amongst black people and some, unfortunately, would fall for it. You don't think that is not done today? Leopold did the same in the Congo and the British did the same in Nigeria. Italy also did the Same amongst Ethiopia and Eritrea.


Welfare's unintended consequences - Baltimore Sun

Welfare's unintended consequences
Glenn McNattTHE BALTIMORE SUN

ONE OF the crueler ironies in the aftermath of the Los Angeles riots has been the suggestion, particularly on the part of conservatives, that the real cause of the violence was not racism or poverty but crumbling inner-city families.
The inner-city family has fallen apart, the argument goes, and thus an entire generation of young people has come of age without proper "values." It's all the fault of the liberal social welfare policies of the 1960s, President Bush said recently.
That's a neat formula for evading the responsibility three successive GOP administrations bear for the neglect of America's cities.
The irony, of course, is that conservatives were the ones who insisted on making family breakups a condition for welfare. Remember the "man in the house" rule? That was the one that said families couldn't get assistance if there was an able-bodied man in the house. It was enacted because opponents of welfare, particularly Southern conservatives, simply couldn't abide the idea of government "handouts" to male heads-of-household.

So if a man lost his job, he literally had to leave home if he wanted his children to be eligible for government surplus cheese, beans and peanut butter. Somehow conservatives persuaded themselves that this encouraged "family values."
With the advantage of 20-20 hindsight it's easy to see how the policy had exactly the opposite effect. It accelerated the fragmentation of poor families at just the time low-skilled factory jobs were disappearing. The expansion of the welfare state in the 1960s coincided with the decline of the factory economy in the worst possible way because the no-man-in-the-house rule actually encouraged the breakup of stable, two-parent families.
Conservatives like to talk about the "law of unintended consequences" -- by which they mean the difficulty of predicting the long-term effects of government social policies. Welfare hasn't worked, they argue, because it only produces more dependency.
Yet dependency clearly is a function of the great increase in single-parent, female-headed households over the last 20 years. And that, in turn, was at least in part an unintended consequence of punitive welfare rules that forced poor men to chose between abandoning their children or watching them starve. We are still paying for that mean-spirited policy in Los Angeles and other cities across America.
Doubtless other factors played a role in the break-up of two-parent families over the last generation -- higher divorce rates, teen pregnancy, the corrosive commercial values purveyed by popular music, movies and television. But the no "man in the house" rule was a classic example of how a government social policy aimed at assisting poor families actually undermined them.
If you doubt that, consider this: What would the result have been if the rule had required just the opposite of what it in fact demanded of poor families -- that is, in order to receive assistance, both parents had to live at home with their children?
Glenn McNatt is an editorial writer for The Sun and Evening Sun.

I watched this portion a of the video when y'all were gloating about it like 1:41:00-2:02:32 or something like that and that **** was wrong. Kevin was wrong. He exploited her weakness in her ignorance and made her look like a moron. I blame her just as much b/c she should've been prepared, but Kevin was wrong. He's even rubbing it in by posting b this :lol: Anyone that reads past twitter headlines could've easily shot down that harmful mess he was saying. That man gaslighted that her and made her look more & more pathetic as the video went on.
I don't know what you're talking about here. It sounds like you're lumping me in with someone else with this "Y'all". It seems you guys watch his show more than the cats in here who bring him up. Why don't yall call him up and go debate him as opposed to grumbling in here every day?
 
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I gotta say this video really encapsulates who the dude is.

Some good points mixed in with some bad generalizations and hyperbole

Mans was sounding a bit like an MR advocate at times, but tailored for a black audience. He leans into negative tropes about black women too much imo.
 
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1. You say it's a myth, but you also mention king vs Smith which actually shows that they were attempting to separate black families by dangling resources. She fought and was victorious, however, what about those who came before her who did not fight and simply acquiesced? You also mention Claudine the film, but it seems you missed Show Me A Hero(IF I'm not mistaken) they actually touched on the subject. They showed how Government workers would come into homes and tell women that they could not have men around or else they would put them and their children out of the affordable housing and take away any other aid they were providing.

Now, if you think it's farfetched that government would come in and use resources such as housing and money as a divide to help destroy black families, especially in racist states then you are naive and have far too much faith in the Government. If you believe that every single family rejected said resources especially if they are homeless and lack resources, then you're even more naive and see the world in rose-colored shades. These same tactics were used during slavery. Go look up the Willie Lynch letters. Look up divide and conquer. Slave Masters used food and other resources to sow division amongst black people and some, unfortunately, would fall for it. You don't think that is not done today? Leopold did the same in the Congo and the British did the same in Nigeria. Italy also did the Same amongst Ethiopia and Eritrea.


Welfare's unintended consequences - Baltimore Sun

Welfare's unintended consequences
Glenn McNattTHE BALTIMORE SUN

ONE OF the crueler ironies in the aftermath of the Los Angeles riots has been the suggestion, particularly on the part of conservatives, that the real cause of the violence was not racism or poverty but crumbling inner-city families.
The inner-city family has fallen apart, the argument goes, and thus an entire generation of young people has come of age without proper "values." It's all the fault of the liberal social welfare policies of the 1960s, President Bush said recently.
That's a neat formula for evading the responsibility three successive GOP administrations bear for the neglect of America's cities.
The irony, of course, is that conservatives were the ones who insisted on making family breakups a condition for welfare. Remember the "man in the house" rule? That was the one that said families couldn't get assistance if there was an able-bodied man in the house. It was enacted because opponents of welfare, particularly Southern conservatives, simply couldn't abide the idea of government "handouts" to male heads-of-household.

So if a man lost his job, he literally had to leave home if he wanted his children to be eligible for government surplus cheese, beans and peanut butter. Somehow conservatives persuaded themselves that this encouraged "family values."
With the advantage of 20-20 hindsight it's easy to see how the policy had exactly the opposite effect. It accelerated the fragmentation of poor families at just the time low-skilled factory jobs were disappearing. The expansion of the welfare state in the 1960s coincided with the decline of the factory economy in the worst possible way because the no-man-in-the-house rule actually encouraged the breakup of stable, two-parent families.
Conservatives like to talk about the "law of unintended consequences" -- by which they mean the difficulty of predicting the long-term effects of government social policies. Welfare hasn't worked, they argue, because it only produces more dependency.
Yet dependency clearly is a function of the great increase in single-parent, female-headed households over the last 20 years. And that, in turn, was at least in part an unintended consequence of punitive welfare rules that forced poor men to chose between abandoning their children or watching them starve. We are still paying for that mean-spirited policy in Los Angeles and other cities across America.
Doubtless other factors played a role in the break-up of two-parent families over the last generation -- higher divorce rates, teen pregnancy, the corrosive commercial values purveyed by popular music, movies and television. But the no "man in the house" rule was a classic example of how a government social policy aimed at assisting poor families actually undermined them.
If you doubt that, consider this: What would the result have been if the rule had required just the opposite of what it in fact demanded of poor families -- that is, in order to receive assistance, both parents had to live at home with their children?
Glenn McNatt is an editorial writer for The Sun and Evening Sun.


2. I don't know what you're talking about here. It sounds like you're lumping me in with someone else with this "Y'all". It seems you guys watch his show more than the cats in here who bring him up. Why don't yall call him up and go debate him as opposed to grumbling in here every day?
1. You're arguing point I never made. Show me I said something along the lines of "the government didn't try to separate black homes". That "black women picked welfare over black men" narrative is crock of **** myth. I gave a factual actual case w/ the highest of courts in this country that was ruled in our favour which defuncts that urban legend, curtesy of the Black woman.

If black ppl in this country stopped wearing Tommy Hilfiger up until about 2016 at large b/c of lie about him being racist, what kind of affect do you think "black women picked welfare over black men" has had when that nocuous lie is still being spread 2021 by a damn black man?

2. I wasn't referring to you if that didn't apply to you. You weren't quoted. I've seen listened to 5 different Kevin Samuels soundbites, 3 of which were under 4 minutes. If you wanna reach and say 6 by including "The Joe Budden Podcast" cool. I was gonna listen anyway. I heard the other 424 episodes prior. Kevin Samuels is the apparatus of this thread, but you're kidding yourself to act like it's all about him.
 
1. You're arguing point I never made. Show me I said something along the lines of "the government didn't try to separate black homes". That "black women picked welfare over black men" narrative is crock of **** myth. I gave a factual actual case w/ the highest of courts in this country that was ruled in our favour which defuncts that urban legend, curtesy of the Black woman.
These were your exact words.

I gave a factual actual case w/ the highest of courts in this country that was ruled in our favour which defuncts that urban legend, curtesy of the Black woman.

You're too emotional to engage in simple conversation cause it clouds your logic. Even your "evidence" doesn't correlate with what you're talking about.

The case which you provided does not support your argument. You're comparing apples to oranges. I don't think you even understand what you copied and pasted from somewhere else. The case in question is talking about considering the "side piece" as a father figure to be used to disqualify the family from receiving government assistance. She argued that he is not her children's father and thus, he owes no obligation to the children, so she and her children should still qualify for government assistance.. The courts ruled in her favor stating that he isn't the children's father, so he owes no financial obligation to her nor her children. Something that might actually help you would be the 1968 civil rights act which addressed a myriad of issues including welfare in which it was ruled that states are permitted, but not required to provide welfare to a two-parent household. So technically, if they still wanted to reject families from getting aid because a man was in the household, they could still do it.


For example. he brought up government taking the Black man out of the household, and Black women choosing welfare funding over Black men myth.
Again, it is not a myth. It is documented. I provided you with a news article covering it from a reputable source, but instead, you pretended to not see it and respond. I will provide it to you again. Also, if you think that because the supreme court decided on a case, it would somehow stop states and state courts from still doing their own thing, then you don't know what you're talking about. Do your googles and go look up non-compliance and the disobeying of the supreme courts by state courts and you'll see tons of examples.

Welfare's unintended consequences
Glenn McNattTHE BALTIMORE SUN

ONE OF the crueler ironies in the aftermath of the Los Angeles riots has been the suggestion, particularly on the part of conservatives, that the real cause of the violence was not racism or poverty but crumbling inner-city families.
The inner-city family has fallen apart, the argument goes, and thus an entire generation of young people has come of age without proper "values." It's all the fault of the liberal social welfare policies of the 1960s, President Bush said recently.
That's a neat formula for evading the responsibility three successive GOP administrations bear for the neglect of America's cities.
The irony, of course, is that conservatives were the ones who insisted on making family breakups a condition for welfare. Remember the "man in the house" rule? That was the one that said families couldn't get assistance if there was an able-bodied man in the house. It was enacted because opponents of welfare, particularly Southern conservatives, simply couldn't abide the idea of government "handouts" to male heads-of-household.

So if a man lost his job, he literally had to leave home if he wanted his children to be eligible for government surplus cheese, beans and peanut butter. Somehow conservatives persuaded themselves that this encouraged "family values."
With the advantage of 20-20 hindsight it's easy to see how the policy had exactly the opposite effect. It accelerated the fragmentation of poor families at just the time low-skilled factory jobs were disappearing. The expansion of the welfare state in the 1960s coincided with the decline of the factory economy in the worst possible way because the no-man-in-the-house rule actually encouraged the breakup of stable, two-parent families.
Conservatives like to talk about the "law of unintended consequences" -- by which they mean the difficulty of predicting the long-term effects of government social policies. Welfare hasn't worked, they argue, because it only produces more dependency.
Yet dependency clearly is a function of the great increase in single-parent, female-headed households over the last 20 years. And that, in turn, was at least in part an unintended consequence of punitive welfare rules that forced poor men to chose between abandoning their children or watching them starve. We are still paying for that mean-spirited policy in Los Angeles and other cities across America.
Doubtless other factors played a role in the break-up of two-parent families over the last generation -- higher divorce rates, teen pregnancy, the corrosive commercial values purveyed by popular music, movies and television. But the no "man in the house" rule was a classic example of how a government social policy aimed at assisting poor families actually undermined them.
If you doubt that, consider this: What would the result have been if the rule had required just the opposite of what it in fact demanded of poor families -- that is, in order to receive assistance, both parents had to live at home with their children?
Glenn McNatt is an editorial writer for The Sun and Evening Sun.



Welfare's unintended consequences - Baltimore Sun
 
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These were your exact words.



You're too emotional to engage in simple conversation cause it clouds your logic. Even your "evidence" doesn't correlate with what you're talking about.

The case which you provided does not support your argument. You're comparing apples to oranges. I don't think you even understand what you copied and pasted from somewhere else. The case in question is talking about considering the "side piece" as a father figure to be used to disqualify the family from receiving government assistance. She argued that he is not her children's father and thus, he owes no obligation to the children, so she and her children should still qualify for government assistance.. The courts ruled in her favor stating that he isn't the children's father, so he owes no financial obligation to her nor her children. Something that might actually help you would be the 1968 civil rights act which addressed a myriad of issues including welfare in which it was ruled that states are permitted, but not required to provide welfare to a two-parent household. So technically, if they still wanted to reject families from getting aid because a man was in the household, they could still do it.


Again, it is not a myth. It is documented. I provided you with a news article covering it from a reputable source, but instead, you pretended to not see it and respond. I will provide it to you again. Also, if you think that because the supreme court decided on a case, it would somehow stop states and state courts from still doing their own thing, then you don't know what you're talking about. Do your googles and go look up non-compliance and the disobeying of the supreme courts by state courts and you'll see tons of examples.

Welfare's unintended consequences
Glenn McNattTHE BALTIMORE SUN

ONE OF the crueler ironies in the aftermath of the Los Angeles riots has been the suggestion, particularly on the part of conservatives, that the real cause of the violence was not racism or poverty but crumbling inner-city families.
The inner-city family has fallen apart, the argument goes, and thus an entire generation of young people has come of age without proper "values." It's all the fault of the liberal social welfare policies of the 1960s, President Bush said recently.
That's a neat formula for evading the responsibility three successive GOP administrations bear for the neglect of America's cities.
The irony, of course, is that conservatives were the ones who insisted on making family breakups a condition for welfare. Remember the "man in the house" rule? That was the one that said families couldn't get assistance if there was an able-bodied man in the house. It was enacted because opponents of welfare, particularly Southern conservatives, simply couldn't abide the idea of government "handouts" to male heads-of-household.

So if a man lost his job, he literally had to leave home if he wanted his children to be eligible for government surplus cheese, beans and peanut butter. Somehow conservatives persuaded themselves that this encouraged "family values."
With the advantage of 20-20 hindsight it's easy to see how the policy had exactly the opposite effect. It accelerated the fragmentation of poor families at just the time low-skilled factory jobs were disappearing. The expansion of the welfare state in the 1960s coincided with the decline of the factory economy in the worst possible way because the no-man-in-the-house rule actually encouraged the breakup of stable, two-parent families.
Conservatives like to talk about the "law of unintended consequences" -- by which they mean the difficulty of predicting the long-term effects of government social policies. Welfare hasn't worked, they argue, because it only produces more dependency.
Yet dependency clearly is a function of the great increase in single-parent, female-headed households over the last 20 years. And that, in turn, was at least in part an unintended consequence of punitive welfare rules that forced poor men to chose between abandoning their children or watching them starve. We are still paying for that mean-spirited policy in Los Angeles and other cities across America.
Doubtless other factors played a role in the break-up of two-parent families over the last generation -- higher divorce rates, teen pregnancy, the corrosive commercial values purveyed by popular music, movies and television. But the no "man in the house" rule was a classic example of how a government social policy aimed at assisting poor families actually undermined them.
If you doubt that, consider this: What would the result have been if the rule had required just the opposite of what it in fact demanded of poor families -- that is, in order to receive assistance, both parents had to live at home with their children?
Glenn McNatt is an editorial writer for The Sun and Evening Sun.



Welfare's unintended consequences - Baltimore Sun
The woman that filed the suit was a widow to the husband of 3 of her 4. Idky u posted that article again I read it the 1st time. In the future please just post the link, all that is overstimulating.

Welfare was and has always been intended for white women & the white working, look how white women are coddled by society to this day. Honestly, you'd the "Welfare Queen" would white since more of them are on it:


"When President Donald Trump met with the Congressional Black Caucus in 2018, the topic of welfare reform came up. One member of the caucus told Trump that enforcing stricter rules would be detrimental to her constituents, "Not all of whom are Black," according to NBC News.

The president is said to have replied, "Really? Then what are they?" apparently assuming that a welfare recipient couldn't be white."

Those conservatives doing that ******** wasn't "unintended", they implemented that "man in the house" rule shortly after granting blacks access to welfare & were improving their lives w/ it. That's when the narratives started about "government hand-outs" being bad. Ya know, b/c apparently Black improvement is bad improvement. Why you & Kevin choose to overlook the Slavery, Jim Crow, and the overall history of racism in America in order to blame Black women being the destruction of Black American homes is beyond me. Reagan would be proud though.
 
The woman that filed the suit was a widow to the husband of 3 of her 4. Idky u posted that article again I read it the 1st time. In the future please just post the link, all that is overstimulating.

Welfare was and has always been intended for white women & the white working, look how white women are coddled by society to this day. Honestly, you'd the "Welfare Queen" would white since more of them are on it:


"When President Donald Trump met with the Congressional Black Caucus in 2018, the topic of welfare reform came up. One member of the caucus told Trump that enforcing stricter rules would be detrimental to her constituents, "Not all of whom are Black," according to NBC News.

The president is said to have replied, "Really? Then what are they?" apparently assuming that a welfare recipient couldn't be white."

Those conservatives doing that bull**** wasn't "unintended", they implemented that "man in the house" rule shortly after granting blacks access to welfare & were improving their lives w/ it. That's when the narratives started about "government hand-outs" being bad. Ya know, b/c apparently Black improvement is bad improvement. Why you & Kevin choose to overlook the Slavery, Jim Crow, and the overall history of racism in America in order to blame Black women being the destruction of Black American homes is beyond me. Reagan would be proud though.
Black women are an easy target. Choose their side and they will call you emotional.
 
To be quite honest both men and women have that energy. I said in the Jaxn thread I didn’t know who he was until an ex shared his ridiculous videos.

Polight got like 5 wives or whatever. I seen women cape for Umar Johnson.

I’m cool with a MLK, Fred Hampton, Obama, or Malcom X. But not the dude who created the NoI.

I was always told I had mutinous energy. I was cast out of heaven for wearing Chelsea’s.

As you should have been
 
The woman that filed the suit was a widow to the husband of 3 of her 4. Idky u posted that article again I read it the 1st time. In the future please just post the link, all that is overstimulating.

Welfare was and has always been intended for white women & the white working, look how white women are coddled by society to this day. Honestly, you'd the "Welfare Queen" would white since more of them are on it:


"When President Donald Trump met with the Congressional Black Caucus in 2018, the topic of welfare reform came up. One member of the caucus told Trump that enforcing stricter rules would be detrimental to her constituents, "Not all of whom are Black," according to NBC News.

The president is said to have replied, "Really? Then what are they?" apparently assuming that a welfare recipient couldn't be white."

Those conservatives doing that bull**** wasn't "unintended", they implemented that "man in the house" rule shortly after granting blacks access to welfare & were improving their lives w/ it. That's when the narratives started about "government hand-outs" being bad. Ya know, b/c apparently Black improvement is bad improvement. Why you & Kevin choose to overlook the Slavery, Jim Crow, and the overall history of racism in America in order to blame Black women being the destruction of Black American homes is beyond me. Reagan would be proud though.
While I agree that Welfare was initially created for white people and has been more beneficial to them than it has for black people it has nothing to do with your point. You're line moving and your argument is all over the place.

Again, I will quote your own words cause you seem to have forgotten what you've said.

However, that's sugar on his bull****. For example. he brought up government taking the Black man out of the household, and Black women choosing welfare funding over Black men myth.


You tried to support this argument by showing a video of King VS Smith explaining the case and the ruling which you did not seem to understand. Now you're talking about white people on Welfare. That has nothing to do with your original point. Unfortunately, some selected the aid over the man. You're having a hard time grasping this, but it stems from your partial views. I provided you with an article pointing out that the Government did indeed use welfare assistance as a means to remove the black man out of the household and how the effects of this divide have damaged black families to this very day(that article was from the 90's and there are more recent ones). You disregard it and started talking about something else. Again, your emotions and your arguments are all over the place. You're talking about Kevin Samuels fashion compared to yours, and who's bougie and who's not, then you're talking about Tommy Hilfiger. Get your mind right before you jump into discussions.


Those conservatives doing that bull**** wasn't "unintended", they implemented that "man in the house" rule shortly after granting blacks access to welfare & were improving their lives w/ it. That's when the narratives started about "government hand-outs" being bad. Ya know, b/c apparently Black improvement is bad improvement. Why you & Kevin choose to overlook the Slavery, Jim Crow, and the overall history of racism in America in order to blame Black women being the destruction of Black American homes is beyond me. Reagan would be proud though.
No one said it was unintended. Again, you're just making **** up. Government handouts are bad when they are used to sow a divide amongst black people. You mention Slavery and Jim Crow, but you're talking as if this tactic isn't straight out of their playbook? They used these "resources" that are meant to "help" as a means to Divide and Conquer.


The woman that filed the suit was a widow to the husband of 3 of her 4. Idky u posted that article again I read it the 1st time. In the future please just post the link, all that is overstimulating.
The only similarity is it mentions a man and welfare. We are talking about how the Government used said resources to destroy black families. The reality of the situation is, some selected the resources over the presence of the father. You're too naive and believe that all people are good and that none would do such a thing. Unfortunately, that is not the truth. Hitler did something similar during the holocaust. Used food and other resources to cause Jewish people to sell out their own just to survive another day. This was also done in slavery. But for some reason, you're having a hard time grasping this.
 
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