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The stats come from previous years, including when Gasol wasnt Kobe's teammate. Where did I say Gasol was more clutch than Kobe? I said Kobe is the best option, but he has other available options to go to (such as Gasol), but instead he'd rather chuck shots against double teams. But yet, you guys give reasons on why Kobe's clutch % isnt that high (double teams, tough shots, etc). Again, if Kobe shoots an average % because of the tough shots he's taking, he should PASS the ball.Originally Posted by Fro B Giant
Originally Posted by Jonnny25
He's the best, but youre telling me Gasol and Odom can't create shots for other people? He's a playmaker, but does he ever pass off the last shot? nope.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Yes he does. He's the only one on the Lakers that can get a shot that he wants at anytime he wants and if its not there, he's the best playmaker as well. Sometimes it goes in and sometimes it doesn't, but I doubt you'll find anyone in the league that would want someone other than Kobe to take the last shot. I think he's held that title in the NBA GM poll for the last 8 or 9 years.Originally Posted by Jonnny25
Does he really give you the best chance of making it? Check the OP's post and look at the %Originally Posted by ERASCISM
80 attempts though. The fact that a team could have a caliber of player that can take those shots is invaluable. You can give him the ball anywhere on the court and he will give you the best chance of making it. Horry and Reggie Miller needed some help in order to get their shots off (screens, penetration, Vlade Divac).Originally Posted by Jonnny25
that stat specifically stats that they are shots with less than 24 seconds in one possession situations. Jordan, Horry, and Reggie missed a lot of game winners, but we don't know how many shots they missed compared to how many they made. We DO know that Kobe makes a lot of big shots, but he also misses a lot. The biggest point here is that he makes shots at a similar % compared to other players in these situations, so Kobe in the clutch is a bit overrated. Im not saying he isn't the guy I would want to take the last shot, but his clutchness is overrated especially when he takes every last second Laker shot.Originally Posted by CP1708
This thread is proof of why stats don't tell a whole story.
If you want to just live off of 27-80 and not take each shot into consideration, then I don't know what to tell ya.
Clutch doesn't mean he hits every shot. We all know he doesn't. It's not possible.
Jordan missed a lot of game winners. Horry missed a lot of game winners. Reggie missed a lot of game winners.
The thing is, they all have the stones to take those game winners, make or miss, and their teams trust them to continue to take those shots over and over.
What the numbers say don't even matter. If Kobe misses a no point of shooting 3 down by 5 with 7 seconds left, it counts against him. If Amare dunks down by 5 with 7 seconds left, it counts FOR him, but they both lose the game. Moral of the story is, stats don't tell the whole story. Unless you are breaking those 80 shots down on a case by case basis, time left, points up or down, tied or whatever, they don't tell the whole and total truth. So stop just believing every stat you see.
"Over the last decade, by field goal percentage the best shooters inthis setting have been Carmelo Anthony (13-28, .464), Pau Gasol (9-22,.409), Tony Parker (11-29, .379), Chris Paul (9-24, .375) and ShawnMarion (10-28, .357). Bryant over the same period is 26-89 (.292)." - http://espn.go.com/blog/t...be-bryant-in-crunch-time
Again if you read my post on page 2 about halfway down, these numbers don't talk about the whole picture. It tells you Pau shot 9-22, it doesn't say if he was 2 feet from the basket after getting a rebound because his guy was busy double teaming Kobe so he got a freebie. It says nothing like that, so all you are doing is saying Pau must be more clutch than Kobe right??? Come on get off it, if you really believe that then I feel sorry for you.
Point is again, the numbers don't tell the whole story!!!