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I'm curious how important extra curricular activities are for med school applicants.
I'm a freshman in college and I have not enrolled in a single club yet.
I plan on doing something big over the summer, hopefully a prestigious research gig somewhere.
I was told by my counselor that GPA is make or break for pre-med students, so I figured it would be wise to focus as much time and energy into school.

Is this good advice to follow or bad?
 
I'm curious how important extra curricular activities are for med school applicants.
I'm a freshman in college and I have not enrolled in a single club yet.
I plan on doing something big over the summer, hopefully a prestigious research gig somewhere.
I was told by my counselor that GPA is make or break for pre-med students, so I figured it would be wise to focus as much time and energy into school.

Is this good advice to follow or bad?
 
Obviously joining a club will help, but what you need to focus on trying to shadow doctors and accumulating out/in patient hours at a hospital.




You have to interview to get into med school so think of it as getting a job, the stronger your resume (gpa,mcat,extra correcs) the stronger the possibility of you getting accepted. 




What you really need though is a lifestyle change, understand that becoming a doctor isn't just something everyone does. Its a highly competitive grind and there is a higher chance of not getting accepted than it is to get accepted. 




If you are going to have a low gpa then you must have a ridiculous mcat score and vice versa. 




http://www.aamc.org/data/...catgpagridall2007-09.pdf




Also join the studentdoctor forums, doctors/students there will provide a lot of information.
 
Obviously joining a club will help, but what you need to focus on trying to shadow doctors and accumulating out/in patient hours at a hospital.




You have to interview to get into med school so think of it as getting a job, the stronger your resume (gpa,mcat,extra correcs) the stronger the possibility of you getting accepted. 




What you really need though is a lifestyle change, understand that becoming a doctor isn't just something everyone does. Its a highly competitive grind and there is a higher chance of not getting accepted than it is to get accepted. 




If you are going to have a low gpa then you must have a ridiculous mcat score and vice versa. 




http://www.aamc.org/data/...catgpagridall2007-09.pdf




Also join the studentdoctor forums, doctors/students there will provide a lot of information.
 
You can have a great GPA and MCAT scores, but if you have nothing else, you prob. won't get in anywhere.
Try the research gig and volunteer some place and join a club or two, but make sure they are something you stick with.
 
You can have a great GPA and MCAT scores, but if you have nothing else, you prob. won't get in anywhere.
Try the research gig and volunteer some place and join a club or two, but make sure they are something you stick with.
 
I'd like to answer this one before all the Sophomores chime in to regurgitate everything they've been told by other undergraduates.

GPA and test scores are essential and will get your foot in the door.  Extra curricular activities are important as well, though apparently not in the way you think.  It's not a contest to see how many clubs you can join.  We want to see demonstrated leadership, interest, involvement in the field you are pursuing.  (This goes for any career.)  Volunteered at a hospital for a few years?  Big points.  Conducted independent research?  Ditto.  Active in on the rugby team?  Nobody cares.  Most of the people who apply to medical school are good in school.  You need to show that you are something different - a cut above - and a demonstrated asset to the field.  On the personal?  Don't look for a blueprint to follow on getting into medical school.  Immerse yourself, cold-call, show up in person, and ask for opportunities.  Talk to physicians, seek their advice, and take any position related to medicine that you can so that you can learn for yourself whether or not this is really what you want to do.  Hopefully we'll hear form you in three years. 

Dr. Boilermaker
 
I'd like to answer this one before all the Sophomores chime in to regurgitate everything they've been told by other undergraduates.

GPA and test scores are essential and will get your foot in the door.  Extra curricular activities are important as well, though apparently not in the way you think.  It's not a contest to see how many clubs you can join.  We want to see demonstrated leadership, interest, involvement in the field you are pursuing.  (This goes for any career.)  Volunteered at a hospital for a few years?  Big points.  Conducted independent research?  Ditto.  Active in on the rugby team?  Nobody cares.  Most of the people who apply to medical school are good in school.  You need to show that you are something different - a cut above - and a demonstrated asset to the field.  On the personal?  Don't look for a blueprint to follow on getting into medical school.  Immerse yourself, cold-call, show up in person, and ask for opportunities.  Talk to physicians, seek their advice, and take any position related to medicine that you can so that you can learn for yourself whether or not this is really what you want to do.  Hopefully we'll hear form you in three years. 

Dr. Boilermaker
 
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Extracurriculars are important but dont just join clubs to pad your resume we can see straight through that. Join clubs that you truly are interested in an also ones that show a dedication to the field of medicine/science. Also try to get experience in a hospital setting be a patient transporter, shadow local doctors etc we need to see that you have some idea what medicine is about. Most importantly though are strong grades and MCAT. You can have stellar extracurriculars but if you cant get past the initial screening process they will never know what great other things you are doing. If all the extra things you are doing start affecting your grades in any way drop them.
Damn posted my response went back and read Boilermaker's response guess drs still think alike somewhat. Like he said dont let all your friends gas your head up about what you need take it from actual physicians who are already in the field.
 
Extracurriculars are important but dont just join clubs to pad your resume we can see straight through that. Join clubs that you truly are interested in an also ones that show a dedication to the field of medicine/science. Also try to get experience in a hospital setting be a patient transporter, shadow local doctors etc we need to see that you have some idea what medicine is about. Most importantly though are strong grades and MCAT. You can have stellar extracurriculars but if you cant get past the initial screening process they will never know what great other things you are doing. If all the extra things you are doing start affecting your grades in any way drop them.
Damn posted my response went back and read Boilermaker's response guess drs still think alike somewhat. Like he said dont let all your friends gas your head up about what you need take it from actual physicians who are already in the field.
 
As somebody applying to med school, I figure I can give you a few hints (actually it turned into a short essay):

FIRST YEAR




-Seeing that it's your first year, don't worry about extracurriculars.  Focus on school.  This is important because it will ingrain in you the type of study habits that will help you be successful over the next three years.

-With that said, if you feel like you got school under control (I would wait to at least see your first terms grades) it wouldn't be a bad idea to join a intramural sports team or some other the club for the sake of at least having it on your resume at this point. Try to aim for a club that focuses on community work. There's no need to invest a lot of time into these just yet as you still have 3 years ahead of you. Plus, clubs and such don't hold as much weight on your application as clinical experience and research.

-This summer try and find research position. If its "prestigious," then all the more power to you. However, I would suggest finding something that you're actually interested in. Research can be very boring at first (i.e. just reading and summarizing journal articles), so you don't want to lose interest right away. Don't get hung up in the prestige factor.

-The second thing you want to do during this summer is volunteer at a hospital where you can gain some clinical experience. You probably want to start volunteering as soon as summer begins so start looking for places and programs this winter break. A lot of times, colleges have volunteer programs at a nearby hospital where you can gain clinical experience in "rotations" (i.e. you might get placed in Labor and Delivery for 2 months, and then moved to ICU for the next to months, etc.). This is also a great opportunity to find a doctor to shadow. If you do end up shadowing for somebody this summer, make sure to keep in contact with them. These men/women can often provide you with a strong letter of rec.

-Put in a very solid amount of time on research and volunteering over the summer so you can ease on the gas pedal during your sophomore year. Keep up with both activities (especially research) but in a much more moderate amount. I personally didn't spend more than 10-12 hours a week on these during the school years.

SECOND YEAR

-Just as you did in the first year, focus on your studies. You'll probably be running into O. Chem and Physics and Biology classes now, so its important for you to do well in these classes. Not only do med schools look at them closely, these classes will also provide a good foundation for your upper division classes; that is, it'll help make things a bit easier later on (but not too much easier!). You might also want to devote a little extra time to the clubs. If there is a chance to get any position, take advantage of it (I would aim for the less time-consuming positions). It'll help your clubs stand out a little more.  Once again, try to join stay active and play intramural sports (great stress relief and another thing for your app). Start looking for summer MCAT prep programs during winter break and sign up for one that starts around the beginning of summer (more on this later).

-Hopefully, by the end of your second year you have an idea of whether you want to enter med school right after college or want to take a year off. I personally took a year off and can't imagine not having done so. At the same time, going straight to med school will not set you a year behind and there's a smaller risk of losing your academic intensity. 

-If you want to go straight into med school, take this summer after your second year to prepare for the MCAT's. By this time you're probably done with your lower division pre-req's and a lot of that material is what you see on the MCAT's. So it will only help that the material is fresh on your mind, rather than waiting till the summer after your junior year. Plus, this frees up your third summer so you can focus solely on med school applications (makes it much less stressful and I highly recommend doing this). Also, and hopefully this isn't the case, it gives you more time to retake the MCAT if you're not satisfied with your score. Take a course like Kaplan or Princeton Review over the summer. In addition, buy the Exam Krackers books (cannot emphasize this enough). Hopefully the course ends a couple weeks before your actual MCAT test date so it leaves you with extra time to take practice tests (get these for the official website).

-Maintain research and volunteer.  Try to shadow again if you can. Doesn't have to be as intense as first summer since you are now preparing for the MCAT's as well.

THIRD YEAR

-The mantra remains the same: focus on school work. Your MCATs should be out of the way so really try to excel in school this year.  These will be the last full year's amount of grades that will be on your transcript before the application period starts. Do you best to absolutely kill it this year.

-Spend a little more time on research and volunteering during the school year.

-Start zoning in on the people you want to be writing your letters of rec. Get 2 science professors, 2 other professors, 1 from the volunteer program, 1 from research (should be the primary investigator), and maybe from the doctor you've been shadowing. Let them know by February or March of your junior year so that you're not stressed out later on. Also, try to sit down with these people and let them know what areas you want each person to emphasize in the letters.

-Starting end of April or early May start looking at the AMCAS application on-line and start filling it out.  You can't submit it till early June but this way you'll have it ready by that time. The primary app is not too bad.  Just asks for grades, extracurriculars, and a personal statement (get help on this if you feel you need it). Create an Excel spreadsheet where you can mark off that all the schools have been sent what they ask for.

-Volunteer and research during the summer.

FOURTH YEAR

- Do well in classes, return all the secondaries you get (can be a little time consuming), and schedule interviews. Schedule these as at the soonest available spots.

-Once you get your acceptances keep your grades up but enjoy your life for the next few months. You deserve it. Hit up Vegas or something so it gives you something to look forward to.

Let me know if you get any more questions. I'm currently getting back interviews so I can help you up to this point. Sorry for the length (just think of it as practice for the MCAT verbal section).


 
As somebody applying to med school, I figure I can give you a few hints (actually it turned into a short essay):

FIRST YEAR




-Seeing that it's your first year, don't worry about extracurriculars.  Focus on school.  This is important because it will ingrain in you the type of study habits that will help you be successful over the next three years.

-With that said, if you feel like you got school under control (I would wait to at least see your first terms grades) it wouldn't be a bad idea to join a intramural sports team or some other the club for the sake of at least having it on your resume at this point. Try to aim for a club that focuses on community work. There's no need to invest a lot of time into these just yet as you still have 3 years ahead of you. Plus, clubs and such don't hold as much weight on your application as clinical experience and research.

-This summer try and find research position. If its "prestigious," then all the more power to you. However, I would suggest finding something that you're actually interested in. Research can be very boring at first (i.e. just reading and summarizing journal articles), so you don't want to lose interest right away. Don't get hung up in the prestige factor.

-The second thing you want to do during this summer is volunteer at a hospital where you can gain some clinical experience. You probably want to start volunteering as soon as summer begins so start looking for places and programs this winter break. A lot of times, colleges have volunteer programs at a nearby hospital where you can gain clinical experience in "rotations" (i.e. you might get placed in Labor and Delivery for 2 months, and then moved to ICU for the next to months, etc.). This is also a great opportunity to find a doctor to shadow. If you do end up shadowing for somebody this summer, make sure to keep in contact with them. These men/women can often provide you with a strong letter of rec.

-Put in a very solid amount of time on research and volunteering over the summer so you can ease on the gas pedal during your sophomore year. Keep up with both activities (especially research) but in a much more moderate amount. I personally didn't spend more than 10-12 hours a week on these during the school years.

SECOND YEAR

-Just as you did in the first year, focus on your studies. You'll probably be running into O. Chem and Physics and Biology classes now, so its important for you to do well in these classes. Not only do med schools look at them closely, these classes will also provide a good foundation for your upper division classes; that is, it'll help make things a bit easier later on (but not too much easier!). You might also want to devote a little extra time to the clubs. If there is a chance to get any position, take advantage of it (I would aim for the less time-consuming positions). It'll help your clubs stand out a little more.  Once again, try to join stay active and play intramural sports (great stress relief and another thing for your app). Start looking for summer MCAT prep programs during winter break and sign up for one that starts around the beginning of summer (more on this later).

-Hopefully, by the end of your second year you have an idea of whether you want to enter med school right after college or want to take a year off. I personally took a year off and can't imagine not having done so. At the same time, going straight to med school will not set you a year behind and there's a smaller risk of losing your academic intensity. 

-If you want to go straight into med school, take this summer after your second year to prepare for the MCAT's. By this time you're probably done with your lower division pre-req's and a lot of that material is what you see on the MCAT's. So it will only help that the material is fresh on your mind, rather than waiting till the summer after your junior year. Plus, this frees up your third summer so you can focus solely on med school applications (makes it much less stressful and I highly recommend doing this). Also, and hopefully this isn't the case, it gives you more time to retake the MCAT if you're not satisfied with your score. Take a course like Kaplan or Princeton Review over the summer. In addition, buy the Exam Krackers books (cannot emphasize this enough). Hopefully the course ends a couple weeks before your actual MCAT test date so it leaves you with extra time to take practice tests (get these for the official website).

-Maintain research and volunteer.  Try to shadow again if you can. Doesn't have to be as intense as first summer since you are now preparing for the MCAT's as well.

THIRD YEAR

-The mantra remains the same: focus on school work. Your MCATs should be out of the way so really try to excel in school this year.  These will be the last full year's amount of grades that will be on your transcript before the application period starts. Do you best to absolutely kill it this year.

-Spend a little more time on research and volunteering during the school year.

-Start zoning in on the people you want to be writing your letters of rec. Get 2 science professors, 2 other professors, 1 from the volunteer program, 1 from research (should be the primary investigator), and maybe from the doctor you've been shadowing. Let them know by February or March of your junior year so that you're not stressed out later on. Also, try to sit down with these people and let them know what areas you want each person to emphasize in the letters.

-Starting end of April or early May start looking at the AMCAS application on-line and start filling it out.  You can't submit it till early June but this way you'll have it ready by that time. The primary app is not too bad.  Just asks for grades, extracurriculars, and a personal statement (get help on this if you feel you need it). Create an Excel spreadsheet where you can mark off that all the schools have been sent what they ask for.

-Volunteer and research during the summer.

FOURTH YEAR

- Do well in classes, return all the secondaries you get (can be a little time consuming), and schedule interviews. Schedule these as at the soonest available spots.

-Once you get your acceptances keep your grades up but enjoy your life for the next few months. You deserve it. Hit up Vegas or something so it gives you something to look forward to.

Let me know if you get any more questions. I'm currently getting back interviews so I can help you up to this point. Sorry for the length (just think of it as practice for the MCAT verbal section).


 
Originally Posted by DJprestige21



Also join the studentdoctor forums, doctors/students there will provide a lot of information.
qft.  Spend time in those forums you'll learn plenty.
 
Originally Posted by DJprestige21



Also join the studentdoctor forums, doctors/students there will provide a lot of information.
qft.  Spend time in those forums you'll learn plenty.
 
UTVOL and Boilermaker don't know what they're talking about.

Listen, once you get to med school and beyond, you will have no free time. Thusly, enjoy yourself as much as possible now. Party as often as you can, go on trips, hook up with as many girls as you can meet, experiment with drugs, get familiar with Vegas, etc.... If you fail a class, don't worry. As long as your parents can cover tuition, you can take an extra year. MCATs are a joke -- no one looks at those anymore.





j/k... UTVOL and Boilermaker covered it mostly. Do well in school (it won't get you in on its own, but doing poorly can keep you out). At the same time, demonstrate both a passion for medicine and a maturity. By maturity I mean pursue the things in life you care about, and be good at them. Being in a club on its own won't help, but being in a club that personifies you and facilitates who you want to be in life and that you have a passion for is good and will be something you can talk about in interviews.

Med students/doctors tend to be some of the most balanced yet hard-working people out there. They're not just nerds who do nothing but study/work all the time. True, they work hard and do their jobs well, but they manage their life so they still have time for a S/O, partying (the heaviest drinkers I know), and usually some incredible hidden talent or hobby (no, NT does not count). So that should also be your mindset in college.


One last thing -- as you do all these things, constantly reevaluate if medicine is what you want to do and why. And, if it's not your thing, don't worry. Do something else. You should be pissing excellence anyway so you can do well in whatever you want.
 
UTVOL and Boilermaker don't know what they're talking about.

Listen, once you get to med school and beyond, you will have no free time. Thusly, enjoy yourself as much as possible now. Party as often as you can, go on trips, hook up with as many girls as you can meet, experiment with drugs, get familiar with Vegas, etc.... If you fail a class, don't worry. As long as your parents can cover tuition, you can take an extra year. MCATs are a joke -- no one looks at those anymore.





j/k... UTVOL and Boilermaker covered it mostly. Do well in school (it won't get you in on its own, but doing poorly can keep you out). At the same time, demonstrate both a passion for medicine and a maturity. By maturity I mean pursue the things in life you care about, and be good at them. Being in a club on its own won't help, but being in a club that personifies you and facilitates who you want to be in life and that you have a passion for is good and will be something you can talk about in interviews.

Med students/doctors tend to be some of the most balanced yet hard-working people out there. They're not just nerds who do nothing but study/work all the time. True, they work hard and do their jobs well, but they manage their life so they still have time for a S/O, partying (the heaviest drinkers I know), and usually some incredible hidden talent or hobby (no, NT does not count). So that should also be your mindset in college.


One last thing -- as you do all these things, constantly reevaluate if medicine is what you want to do and why. And, if it's not your thing, don't worry. Do something else. You should be pissing excellence anyway so you can do well in whatever you want.
 
Don't get discouraged if you can't get into medical school straight out of undergrad. If you're serious about entering medical school, you'll soon find out that it's not uncommon to see people who are in their late 20s, maybe even early 30s. I'm not saying slack off and decide medical school is something you want to do all of the sudden after three years. What everyone has pretty much said in here is true, and you really have to work at it starting early on in your college career. What I'm saying is, after all that, don't be discouraged if takes time after graduation to get into med school. Of the many peers around me that have tried to get into med school, only one successfully got in straight outta undergrad.

*Edit*
I just gotta say one more thing, WhyWeSteppin is tellin the truth about med school students/doctors being some of the most balanced people out there. I used to see med school students tear up the courts in IM basketball games all the time when I was still in college.
 
Don't get discouraged if you can't get into medical school straight out of undergrad. If you're serious about entering medical school, you'll soon find out that it's not uncommon to see people who are in their late 20s, maybe even early 30s. I'm not saying slack off and decide medical school is something you want to do all of the sudden after three years. What everyone has pretty much said in here is true, and you really have to work at it starting early on in your college career. What I'm saying is, after all that, don't be discouraged if takes time after graduation to get into med school. Of the many peers around me that have tried to get into med school, only one successfully got in straight outta undergrad.

*Edit*
I just gotta say one more thing, WhyWeSteppin is tellin the truth about med school students/doctors being some of the most balanced people out there. I used to see med school students tear up the courts in IM basketball games all the time when I was still in college.
 
Originally Posted by th1nk

I'm curious how important extra curricular activities are for med school applicants.
I'm a freshman in college and I have not enrolled in a single club yet.
I plan on doing something big over the summer, hopefully a prestigious research gig somewhere.
I was told by my counselor that GPA is make or break for pre-med students, so I figured it would be wise to focus as much time and energy into school.

Is this good advice to follow or bad?
th1nk about this: if counselors are telling everybody to focus on GPA, right...then wouldn't it be wise to distinguish yourself in other areas? The GPA is still extremely important, probably one of the things they look at initially before even considering you and examining the rest of your resume more deeply. The fact of the matter is, you still need those extra curricular things...and the more the better. It communicates that you've been in and around the field and the fact you have done so and are still considering the field, says a lot. By the way I'm not pre-med or anything but I'm Exercise Bio trying to become a PT...for us we need at least 150 hrs of experience prior to applying to the doctorate programs. 
 
Originally Posted by th1nk

I'm curious how important extra curricular activities are for med school applicants.
I'm a freshman in college and I have not enrolled in a single club yet.
I plan on doing something big over the summer, hopefully a prestigious research gig somewhere.
I was told by my counselor that GPA is make or break for pre-med students, so I figured it would be wise to focus as much time and energy into school.

Is this good advice to follow or bad?
th1nk about this: if counselors are telling everybody to focus on GPA, right...then wouldn't it be wise to distinguish yourself in other areas? The GPA is still extremely important, probably one of the things they look at initially before even considering you and examining the rest of your resume more deeply. The fact of the matter is, you still need those extra curricular things...and the more the better. It communicates that you've been in and around the field and the fact you have done so and are still considering the field, says a lot. By the way I'm not pre-med or anything but I'm Exercise Bio trying to become a PT...for us we need at least 150 hrs of experience prior to applying to the doctorate programs. 
 
Lots of good information being put out in this thread.

Another good thing about working with and shadowing physicians is they may be a source for a great recommendation when it comes time to apply.
 
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