Mike Greenberg thinks the NFL will fold in under 30 years

[jpzx]

I'm thinking he probably means the game and league will be changed very drastically from the way we know it today, not exactly "fold" like it read. But who knows.

 

[mmg]

Stephen A dropping that truth

 

[Baby Face Nelson]

Exactly...and what about college football players? These guys are going war and not even receiving any compensation for their effort.

Boxing once ruled America...Where is boxing now? A lot of people saying football is untouchable are living in the moment and not realizing that some sort of shift in popularity will happen eventually for the worse.

You guys ever hear of boxing? Because the same thing essentially happened....

It was GIGAAAAANTIC

It'll never fold (unless they take unprecedented hits from lawsuits) but it might not be as popular in 30 years. And the rules might be extremely differant and turn fans off.

Basically it very well could well be much differant in 30 years. In terms of popularity and the game itself.

The demise of Boxing in America has nothing to do with violence, it's the way that ir's being run. There are too many weigh classes, too many belts, too many promoters and no American Heavyweight champions. Boxing use to air championship fights on cable tv, now everything is $59.99 on PPV. MMA has quality fights on cable TV and a casual fan will be more willingly to pay for a PPV. MMA fighters are marketed better and fight more often in a calender year compared to a boxer, so they tend to be more household names. Boxing still has huge PPV rates when someone like Pacaquio or Mayweather fights but they will never have the golden age again because other sports have caught up.

I don't think the NFL is going anywhere. I guarantee that all those players from the 60's and 70's who are suing the NFL now, if they played today knowing what they know about CTE and were making the salary players make today, there would be no issue at all. The game is so much faster than it was 20 years ago. Players are bigger and faster than ever before and there is always going to be impact. I see alot of improper tackling techniques, and everyone would rather make a "Hit Stick" play, then wrap a player up with two hands. My biggest frustration is all the flags that are being thrown in a given game. A game that starts at 10 AM PST, should not still be going on at 1:35 PST with 5 mins left in the fourth. The constant challenges, illegal contact, and PI wane my interest in the game, not player safety.

 

[mmg]

Exactly...and what about college football players? These guys are going war and not even receiving any compensation

Really, cause a free education to a university plus all the other Benefits, that's not being compensated ?

 

[david bowman]

Really, cause a free education to a university plus all the other Benefits, that's not being compensated ?

That's crumbs. 

Slaves were housed and fed. House slaves got perks. Doesn't mean the plantation owner wasn't making huge sums of money off their labor while he sat around and sipped a drink

I know some won't love the analogy, The point is college kids are being severly exploited

 

[mmg]

Please let's not be ignorant and derail this discussion when bringing up slavery, come on.

You guys realize very few schools make money off college athletics?

A lot of these schools offer college athletics to lure in regular students.

College kids are already being paid, just because they don't use it to the extent that's given to them is a different story.

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Please let's not be ignorant and derail this discussion when bringing up slavery, come on.

You guys realize very few schools make money off college athletics?

A lot of these schools offer college athletics to lure in regular students.

College kids are already being paid, just because they don't use it to the extent that's given to them is a different story.

College coaches often are the highest paid public officials in the State by a good amount, making millions of dollars a year while the actual players (workers) don't see any financial compensation. A college degree when many of the students are in normal class or aren't even prepared to be in college in the first place doesn't mean much or count as equal compensation.

But that's a different discussion for another time.

 

[stillin729]

How the hell did slaves get brought into this thread?

 

[mmg]

College coaches often are the highest paid public officials in the State by a good amount, making millions of dollars a year while the actual players (workers) don't see any financial compensation. A college degree when many of the students are in normal class or aren't even prepared to be in college in the first place doesn't mean much or count as equal compensation.

But that's a different discussion for another time.

Who's fault is the student isn't ready to take college classes? That's on the student.

For all the people that do make it to the NFL a good majority don't. Out of 70+ students on a CFL team maybe a hand full make it to the league, the rest get their education and move on in life.

What's better for the long term of a 20 something year old student athlete ?

A couple of Gs that once school is over, no more money and no degree? Or a College education and degree that's going to last them a life time?

Ill take a degree over a check.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Saying college kids are getting paid with an education is the equivalent of McDonald's paying their employees in cheeseburgers instead of real money.


If an athletic program is turning a profit players should get a cut.

 

[mmg]

Saying college kids are getting paid with an education is the equivalent of McDonald's paying their employees in cheeseburgers instead of real money.


If an athletic program is turning a profit players should get a cut.

Oh yes a college degree in the field of your choosing is the same as a happy meal.

From that intelligent post I assume you went to McDonald's U?




Once again, very few schools make money off college athletics.

 

[al3xis]

It's just too difficult to create lines in the sand and say player X on sport team Y, from school Z needs to be compensated. The pay for play in college athletics is not really possible unless a certain block of schools break away from the NCAA (the ones that do make a profit) and/or athletic departments are cut down to having no more than literally a handful of sports.

I personally have lost interest in the NFL. There's games Sunday, Monday, Thursday - it's talked about 24/7 August-February and I've just grown tired of it. But I know when looking at TV ratings, I'm clearly in the minority. It's a machine and I don't think violence or anything else is stopping it anytime soon.

 

[finallyfamous]

For every one parent that won't let their kid play. There is 20(even more) others that will
It's fine.
Plus the game will get more safe as time goes on with better equipment. Who knows what the helmets will be able to protect in 30 years

/thread

 

[7thave btn 31stn33rd st]

Jalen Rose summed in up pretty well the other day when he said. "People don't pay to watch scholarship athletes to sit in class."

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Saying college kids are getting paid with an education is the equivalent of McDonald's paying their employees in cheeseburgers instead of real money.


If an athletic program is turning a profit players should get a cut.

Oh yes a college degree in the field of your choosing is the same as a happy meal.

From that intelligent post I assume you went to McDonald's U?




Once again, very few schools make money off college athletics.

Once again the ones that do should pay the players.

 

[mmg]

It's just too difficult to create lines in the sand and say player X on sport team Y, from school Z needs to be compensated. The pay for play in college athletics is not really possible unless a certain block of schools break away from the NCAA (the ones that do make a profit) and/or athletic departments are cut down to having no more than literally a handful of

Excellent post

 

[mmg]

Once again the ones that do should pay the players.

And how is that going to balance? Only a handful of schools can? So how can the NCAA allow only them to pay?

There's no answer or resolution.

 

[thadocta]

Exactly...and what about college football players? These guys are going war and not even receiving any compensation

Really, cause a free education to a university plus all the other Benefits, that's not being compensated ?

Really, cause schools are only making billions off them

 

[SneakerProSr.]

It's just too difficult to create lines in the sand and say player X on sport team Y, from school Z needs to be compensated. The pay for play in college athletics is not really possible unless a certain block of schools break away from the NCAA (the ones that do make a profit) and/or athletic departments are cut down to having no more than literally a handful of sports.

I personally have lost interest in the NFL. There's games Sunday, Monday, Thursday - it's talked about 24/7 August-February and I've just grown tired of it. But I know when looking at TV ratings, I'm clearly in the minority. It's a machine and I don't think violence or anything else is stopping it anytime soon.

In the next 10-20 years this is exactly what's going to happen.

If these Super Conferences ever really take effect it could happen sooner.

 

[mmg]

Really, cause schools are only making billions off them

Do you have any idea how much a billion dollars is?

Show me the reports of these schools making "billions" of student athletes.

Hell show the reports of schools not in the red due to college athletics.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Once again the ones that do should pay the players.

And how is that going to balance? Only a handful of schools can? So how can the NCAA allow only them to pay?

There's no answer or resolution.

Because you are viewing it from the perspective that the NCAA has to exist and paying the players has to be built into the existing model.

The NCAA is a fraudulent organization.

 

[jjs07]

It's bad on both ends of the spectrum. I bet a lot of kids in college today would happily switch places with athletes on scholarships in order to not have student loan payments for the next 20+ years of their life following graduation.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Really, cause schools are only making billions off them

Do you have any idea how much a billion dollars is?

Show me the reports of these schools making "billions" of student athletes.

Hell show the reports of schools not in the red due to college athletics.

Out of 120 D-I schools -- public and private -- 100 either broke even or ended the year with a surplus, according to figures reported to the NCAA and to the U.S. Department of Education.

Yup no money is being here No profits


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K-State most profitable athletic department
May, 4, 2012
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John CurrieTravis Heying/Wichita Eagle/Getty ImagesKansas State University athletic director John Currie, right, and Kansas State University president Kirk Schultz in speak to the media in March.

Kansas State athletic director John Currie keeps a laminated 3-by-5 index card outlining the department's budget for the current fiscal year in his pocket at all times.

It's not as impressive as an autographed photo of head football coach Bill Snyder, but Currie credits the card -- and what it stands for -- for helping the department generate enough money to cover all its expenses and for its healthy budget surplus.

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In fact, out of the 99 public schools in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision whose records were open to review by The File, Kansas State ended the 2010-11 fiscal year with the most net income -- about $23 million. That's the difference between what the athletic department gets in revenue from ticket sales, donations, TV contracts and so forth, and what it spends on recruiting, equipment, salaries and other expenses.

"We've been successful because we've increased our revenue and managed our expenses," Currie said. His best advice to other athletic departments is to "build relationships and manage priorities." Currie uses the index card to show potential donors exactly where their money will be spent, and he said that transparency has encouraged growth in money pledged to the department.

Out of 120 D-I schools -- public and private -- 100 either broke even or ended the year with a surplus, according to figures reported to the NCAA and to the U.S. Department of Education. But the information covering private schools and those that don't have to release financial records is limited and not always comparable. (A database showing many of the revenue and expense categories for all 120 schools for the past four fiscal years can be found here.)

To come up with the most detailed breakdown and even comparison, "Outside the Lines" and The File submitted open records requests to all public D-I schools (except those in Pennsylvania that are not subject to open records laws) and asked for copies of the audited financial reports that schools submit each January to the NCAA.

Of those 99 schools, 79 either broke even or showed a surplus for the 2010-11 fiscal year, the most recent for which numbers are available. If that sounds different than what you hear from the NCAA, well, it is. The NCAA determines profitability after it subtracts athletic department revenue that comes from student fees, state funds and money from the university. By that measure, only 19 public schools were in the black. "Outside the Lines" aired and published stories nearly a year ago in which that methodology was debated.

MAKING MONEY

The 19 public school athletic departments that showed a profit in 2010-11 even without including revenue from the university, state or student fees.
Ath. Dept. Surplus
Kansas State $20,106,935
Texas $16,609,111
LSU $15,462,427
Alabama $14,195,164
Florida $11,989,355
Michigan $10,621,815
Arkansas $10,524,624
Oklahoma $9,974,916
Ohio State $9,528,952
Okla. State $9,507,375
Texas A&M $8,975,871
Georgia $8,384,182
Oregon $7,125,702
Purdue $6,773,110
Iowa $4,731,395
Miss. State $2,573,373
Nebraska $1,763,272
Kentucky $1,219,181
Illinois $403,425

At Kansas State, only about $3.3 million of the department's revenue came from student fees and support from the university. Even so, Kansas State tops the profitability list and is followed by Texas, Louisiana State, Alabama, Florida and Michigan. Kansas State's overall operating revenue was about $70 million, an increase of about 31 percent from the prior fiscal year, which was Currie's first at Kansas State. The year before he came, the department was running a $2.8 million deficit, based on the figures submitted to the NCAA.

From fiscal year 2009-10 to 2010-11, contributions and donations went up by 62 percent, for a total of $26.5 million, making it Kansas State's largest revenue source.

Currie said that during his tenure and that of university president Kirk Schulz, the department expanded its grassroots base of donors from 5,400 to 7,500, developed a major gifts program and expanded its fundraising reach nationwide. And there's that card, which emphasizes the department's goal to be transparent about its funding with the hope that people will understand the needs, he said.

"They say, 'Oh, OK, there's no big mystery anymore. I get it,'" Currie said. Although Kansas State might not have the fan base or the lure of bigger programs such as Texas, LSU or Alabama -- which make most of their money from ticket sales -- "our fans and our contributors, they don't look at [donating] as a short-term deal. They look at it as a long-term investment."

Kansas State's rise to profitability didn't come without some pain, as Currie recalls having to cut staff his first year in office to help trim expenses. He points out that Kansas State has the smallest full-time headcount in the Big 12, with 132 athletic department staff members. It has also cut back expenses in other areas, including football recruiting.

In 2010-11, the department still got about $1.5 million in direct support from the university, although that number has been steadily decreasing and is scheduled to be eliminated within the next few years, Currie said.

WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM

Athletic departments' largest source of revenue (public schools only).
Category Percentage
Ticket sales 26.3%
University support 24.2%
Contributions 18.2%
Student fees 16.2%
NCAA/Conference 11.1%
Government support 4%

A little more than a quarter of the top D-I public schools got most of their funding from the university or state in 2010-11. In an era of university budget cuts when more athletic programs are being asked to pay their own way, several departments strive to reach a point where they can sustain themselves financially. Currie said he isn't sure if Kansas State provides a model -- because every university has its own challenges and limitations -- but he said every program should start by defining priorities.

"We don't spend any time worrying about Texas' budget. We're not ever going to have a budget like them," he said. (Texas' $150 million budget is more than twice as large.) "Let's focus on the things we can do well as we go about our business."

The financial records The File collected come from three sources. Financial records for all public D-1 schools, except those in Pennsylvania, come from the forms they submit every January to the NCAA and include detailed breakdowns of revenues and expenses. Pennsylvania schools are not subject to open records laws. Their figures -- and the figures for private schools -- come from mandatory reports made to the U.S. Department of Education. That information is limited to fewer categories. Finally, figures for the U.S. Naval Academy come from a form it has to file each year with the IRS. To see more categories for all schools for the past four fiscal years, check out our online database.

-- Paula Lavigne

 

[liltank0206]

hey being a college athlete at an hbcu division 1 and going to the bigger schools to play and seeing the different treatment that they get compared to others you could easily see that those schools get billions of dollars based off athletics.

 

[mmg]

And where the amounts? Cause breaking even isn't making a profit