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NYK '14 offseason thread
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by pr0phecy718,
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- Dec 14, 2004
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Not saying he's totally wrong, but that's pretty arrogant for a kid to say before he even gets drafted
- Dec 27, 2012
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I wonder if he's gonna pass when he's on Philly or Milwaukee 
- May 2, 2012
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How is it arrogant lol? He can't give his opinion? He was asked a question.
I'm convinced SN was about 60% of the problem, I bet Linsanitys would have never started with SN as coach, he woulda gave Lin Toure mins
- Oct 18, 2011
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He didn't say anything wrong. He said Melo doesn't have a team....he acknowledges how bad it was. It was Patrick who said "but you pass".
- Dec 25, 2003
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I didn't take that as a shot. I took it as Jabari defending Melo with the fact that no one else on the team can score.
- Jul 16, 2002
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- Jun 1, 2006
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Oscar made some good points I think.
at Jabari.
at Jabari.
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Melo "doesn't pass" rhetoric has the be the corniest and most played out thing to say about him in 2014. Along with the "he doesn't play defense"
- Jul 29, 2005
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I have to listen to what Jabari said, but for a college kid to say an NBA player didn't have a team....well, he needs to tread lightly. He's going to a bad team and you don't know how that's going to turn out. Maybe I'm reading too much into that statement, but he hasn't been in college enough to be a part of a winning culture, then to experience the transition from that to losing a lot. He can have his opinion sure, but he also needs to be careful what he says.
- Apr 30, 2010
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Dwight is competely irrelevant these, i'd pass on Hou.
- Aug 10, 2003
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only people that dont watch the knicks say this... its dumb really because if he were to pass more then people would say well he dont shoot enough not as agressive
- Nov 20, 2007
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Nah I think "Melo is out of shape and fat" still reigns supreme as the most corniest thing to say by his naysayers, haters, and critics.
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- Feb 9, 2003
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Found nothing wrong with what Jabari or Big O said. Don't agree Houston would be the best fit but it'd be a good one.
- Jul 13, 2005
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I agree with everything Jabari said, but I dont agree that Melo would fit with Houston. That team doesnt need any more offense, especially iso offense.
- Jan 30, 2007
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The Isiah Thomas Playoff All-Stars
Ex-Knicks are everywhere in the first round of the NBA playoffs.
Thursday night, Zach Randolph had 16 points, 10 rebounds and six assists in a Grizzlies win over Oklahoma City.
Jamal Crawford had 13 points in 20 minutes to help lift the Clippers to a win over Golden State. Warriors big man David Lee had 12 points and nine boards in a loss.
Tuesday night, Trevor Ariza had eight points, eight rebounds and seven assists, playing a key role in the Wizards’ Game 2 win over the Bulls.
Somewhere, Isiah Thomas had to be smiling.
The Knicks ex-GM and coach had Randolph, Lee and Crawford on his roster between 2007 and 2008. He drafted Ariza in the second round of the 2004 NBA Draft.
Randolph and Crawford were dumped in a trade in Nov. 2008. It was Donnie Walsh’s attempt to clear cap space for the summer of 2010. That summer, the Knicks also let Lee sign with the Warriors. Ariza was dealt to Orlando in an ill-fated trade for Steve Francis.
None of these moves happened in a vacuum, of course. Trading Randolph and Crawford and letting Lee walk as a free agent cleared the way to sign Amar'e Stoudemire and eventually trade for Carmelo Anthony.
But it’s worth wondering what kind of team the Knicks would have developed into if Randolph, Crawford and Lee were still in New York.
“We had all those players while they were young,” Thomas said Thursday on Spike Lee’s SiriusXM NBA Radio show. “I can’t remember a time where the Knicks have had two All-Stars and a Sixth Man of the Year and they were all under the age of 29. I just wish we would have had the luxury of having a little bit more time to more or less let the tree grow and let it bear a little bit more fruit.”
All three players had productive campaigns in 2013-14.
Lee averaged 18.2 points and 9.3 rebounds per game and put up a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.2. Randolph had 18.4 points and 10.1 rebounds per game this season and had a PER of 18.4. Crawford averaged 18.6 points and three assists off the bench for the Clippers and put up a PER of 17.4.
If you add up Randolph, Lee and Crawford’s PER, you get 55. For comparison’s sake, if you add up the top 3 PER on the Heat by position, you get 58.1. If you add the top three PER on the Thunder, you get 62.3. The league average PER is 13.5, per hoopdata.com. So it’s fair to assume the trio of Crawford, Lee and Randolph could be a part of a solid nucleus for the Knicks, particularly in the lowly Eastern Conference.
“It was a very young group. And we all want more time,” said Thomas, who served as either the Knicks GM or coach –- or both –- from 2003-2008. “And sometimes time is not the luxury that you have at your fingertips. But I wish that we could have kept that group together just a little bit longer as we’ve seen that they’ve grown into exceptional players and All-Stars in the league.”
Thomas made his fair share of personnel mistakes during his tenure with the Knicks. But it's hard to criticize Thomas' acquisitions of Lee, Randolph and Crawford.
Isiah on Melo's 'tough choice': Thomas wonders if Anthony will be patient enough to remain in New York during what is expected to be a mini-rebuild.
“He’s got a tough choice,” Thomas said. “I’m only echoing his words. He said he wants to stay in New York but he also wants to win. The Knicks right now will have a transition period at least for another year or two until they can get all the pieces in place. Will he be patient enough to give them the time to do that? Or will he look elsewhere to see if there are other pieces in place or another city for him to go and play in? That’s a tough choice that he has that’s staring him in the face and I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes right now.”
Thursday night, Zach Randolph had 16 points, 10 rebounds and six assists in a Grizzlies win over Oklahoma City.
Jamal Crawford had 13 points in 20 minutes to help lift the Clippers to a win over Golden State. Warriors big man David Lee had 12 points and nine boards in a loss.
Tuesday night, Trevor Ariza had eight points, eight rebounds and seven assists, playing a key role in the Wizards’ Game 2 win over the Bulls.
Somewhere, Isiah Thomas had to be smiling.
The Knicks ex-GM and coach had Randolph, Lee and Crawford on his roster between 2007 and 2008. He drafted Ariza in the second round of the 2004 NBA Draft.
Randolph and Crawford were dumped in a trade in Nov. 2008. It was Donnie Walsh’s attempt to clear cap space for the summer of 2010. That summer, the Knicks also let Lee sign with the Warriors. Ariza was dealt to Orlando in an ill-fated trade for Steve Francis.
None of these moves happened in a vacuum, of course. Trading Randolph and Crawford and letting Lee walk as a free agent cleared the way to sign Amar'e Stoudemire and eventually trade for Carmelo Anthony.
But it’s worth wondering what kind of team the Knicks would have developed into if Randolph, Crawford and Lee were still in New York.
“We had all those players while they were young,” Thomas said Thursday on Spike Lee’s SiriusXM NBA Radio show. “I can’t remember a time where the Knicks have had two All-Stars and a Sixth Man of the Year and they were all under the age of 29. I just wish we would have had the luxury of having a little bit more time to more or less let the tree grow and let it bear a little bit more fruit.”
All three players had productive campaigns in 2013-14.
Lee averaged 18.2 points and 9.3 rebounds per game and put up a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.2. Randolph had 18.4 points and 10.1 rebounds per game this season and had a PER of 18.4. Crawford averaged 18.6 points and three assists off the bench for the Clippers and put up a PER of 17.4.
If you add up Randolph, Lee and Crawford’s PER, you get 55. For comparison’s sake, if you add up the top 3 PER on the Heat by position, you get 58.1. If you add the top three PER on the Thunder, you get 62.3. The league average PER is 13.5, per hoopdata.com. So it’s fair to assume the trio of Crawford, Lee and Randolph could be a part of a solid nucleus for the Knicks, particularly in the lowly Eastern Conference.
“It was a very young group. And we all want more time,” said Thomas, who served as either the Knicks GM or coach –- or both –- from 2003-2008. “And sometimes time is not the luxury that you have at your fingertips. But I wish that we could have kept that group together just a little bit longer as we’ve seen that they’ve grown into exceptional players and All-Stars in the league.”
Thomas made his fair share of personnel mistakes during his tenure with the Knicks. But it's hard to criticize Thomas' acquisitions of Lee, Randolph and Crawford.
Isiah on Melo's 'tough choice': Thomas wonders if Anthony will be patient enough to remain in New York during what is expected to be a mini-rebuild.
“He’s got a tough choice,” Thomas said. “I’m only echoing his words. He said he wants to stay in New York but he also wants to win. The Knicks right now will have a transition period at least for another year or two until they can get all the pieces in place. Will he be patient enough to give them the time to do that? Or will he look elsewhere to see if there are other pieces in place or another city for him to go and play in? That’s a tough choice that he has that’s staring him in the face and I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes right now.”
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as much as i dont want to see melo go, i think chicago is the best place for him. they dont have a guy that will take the big shots, so they need some offense. the wiz are exploiting them now for their lack of scoring.
defensively noah, gibson, and butler can pick up the slack. melo wouldnt have to guard the other teams best player because of those 3.
if the bulls amnesty boozer (since they will have to in order to have a shot at melo) he can start at either the 3 or 4. they can play small ball or body up and start gibson too.
even if drose doesnt come back, this is a much better situation. melo can still carry a team offensively, but he needs teammates with discipline like the bulls.
personally, if i was in his shoes and i really want to win, like he says he does, then i wouldnt wait around another year or so to see if the knicks do build a contender. i would also consider taking a 1 year deal, so i could bail if dolan ***** up again.
defensively noah, gibson, and butler can pick up the slack. melo wouldnt have to guard the other teams best player because of those 3.
if the bulls amnesty boozer (since they will have to in order to have a shot at melo) he can start at either the 3 or 4. they can play small ball or body up and start gibson too.
even if drose doesnt come back, this is a much better situation. melo can still carry a team offensively, but he needs teammates with discipline like the bulls.
personally, if i was in his shoes and i really want to win, like he says he does, then i wouldnt wait around another year or so to see if the knicks do build a contender. i would also consider taking a 1 year deal, so i could bail if dolan ***** up again.
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Yeah son. It sets me on fire when people say this **** to me.
- May 2, 2012
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Too much uncertainty with the Bulls. If Rose is anything less than 75% of the player he was before the injury he becomes another PG who cant shoot.
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@HerringWSJ: Mike Woodson will serve as an in-studio analyst on NBA TV tomorrow night and Sunday.
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- Oct 18, 2011
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Man fired coaches never really lose do they? Now he's getting guap just to look confused on tv.
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almost every fired coach does TV
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Melo averaged more than 2 passes per game than Kevin Durant. The only difference is that he had more talent and people that can actually make shots.
