Official 2012 NBA Draft Thread

lets look at it from the other end of it.


why not trade russy? everyone always says #0 puts them out of games with his score first mentality, instead of trading the beard, Trade russy, start the beard, and get a pass first PG, not a Shootfirst?
 
Disregard my Avatar (I grew up in the 90s before there was a New Orleans anything) so I'm a big fan of Allen/KG.

But as a hometown fan and huge supporter of the idea that we can do what OKC did by rebuilding through the draft, I ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT THE HORNETS TO PICK DAVIS.

Yeah, everyone keeps telling me I'm tripping, but I just don't see the kid being this dominant NBA force for 10+ years in the league. I'd rather we trade the pick and try and pick up two more first round picks. I'd love to get MKG or Harrison Barnes, trade Ariza. If we can get Rivers at 10? WOW.
 
Originally Posted by doyung9

Disregard my Avatar (I grew up in the 90s before there was a New Orleans anything) so I'm a big fan of Allen/KG.

But as a hometown fan and huge supporter of the idea that we can do what OKC did by rebuilding through the draft, I ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT THE HORNETS TO PICK DAVIS.

Yeah, everyone keeps telling me I'm tripping, but I just don't see the kid being this dominant NBA force for 10+ years in the league. I'd rather we trade the pick and try and pick up two more first round picks. I'd love to get MKG or Harrison Barnes, trade Ariza. If we can get Rivers at 10? WOW.
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Pretty much, im betting on BUST
 
You don't see it with Davis, but Barnes and Rivers are helping to lead the Hornets towards Thunder-like success in a few years...?
 
Y'all want it to be one way, it's the other way. Unibrow is the pick, enjoy winning 50 games for the next 5 years.
 
its gonna take davis a few years to get an NBA body, and by that time hopefully his confidence isnt shattered


i dont see it with him either :/
 
Originally Posted by MMG

its gonna take davis a few years to get an NBA body, and by that time hopefully his confidence isnt shattered


i dont see it with him either :/
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and with a team like New Orleans, I just feel he's playing through his rookie contract before he moves on to bigger and better things...with another team.
 
I think KG would be a great mentor for Davis, just to teach him ways to use his slim build. But that pick for NO has fail written all over it
 
Except star players usually stay with the team they were drafted by for seven to eight years.
 
Exactly, the odds of Davis not signing his first extension are slim.. Unless the team wins 15 games a season or something terrible.

The thing is, you almost want a guy who won't be great his rookie season because it helps you get another high draft pick. OKC still had a bad record after they drafted KD, which allowed them to get another top pick in Russ. If the team improves too quickly you might end up with pick 8-9 rather than 2-3.
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

Exactly, the odds of Davis not signing his first extension are slim.. Unless the team wins 15 games a season or something terrible.

The thing is, you almost want a guy who won't be great his rookie season because it helps you get another high draft pick. OKC still had a bad record after they drafted KD, which allowed them to get another top pick in Russ. If the team improves too quickly you might end up with pick 8-9 rather than 2-3.
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thats what you think, ask the nets
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theyve been getting %%%@+#$ on thru the draft cause of stern
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Originally Posted by P1NSTR1PEZ

Originally Posted by Kevin Cleveland

I guess I just wouldn't consider trading Harden, period. A top-15 player that isn't quite 23 years old going for just that pick? Nah. Way too important to that team in every facet of basketball.

Ibaka is more easily replaced.
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I agree that Ibaka is more replaceable, but Ibaka won't land you the #2 pick
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top 15? not yet but he's arguably the best player in his draft class not named Blake Griffin. 
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Originally Posted by MMG

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Exactly, the odds of Davis not signing his first extension are slim.. Unless the team wins 15 games a season or something terrible.

The thing is, you almost want a guy who won't be great his rookie season because it helps you get another high draft pick. OKC still had a bad record after they drafted KD, which allowed them to get another top pick in Russ. If the team improves too quickly you might end up with pick 8-9 rather than 2-3.
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thats what you think, ask the nets
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theyve been getting %%%@+#$ on thru the draft cause of stern
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The Nets have selected bums (Terrence Williams, Damion James) or traded away their picks (Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter, this year's #6 pick) the last three years. How are you going to blame Stern?
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I just don't get it.

His build doesn't worry me. He was 6'3" two years ago, so it's not like he's had much time to develop his body or post game like that. And he was still as good as he was at Kentucky.

He's not going to be just a defender. Again, he was 6'3" two years ago, and still got recruited to Division I Cleveland State at the time. The guard skills show up in his game. He can pass, he can handle the ball, he can run the floor and he can shoot a little bit. Not to mention the fluidity and agility.

Regardless, he should be an elite defender. The athleticism, the wingspan, the discipline and the ability to step out and guard someone one-on-one like Tyson Chandler does, coupled with his eventual added strength, and there's nothing he won't be able to do defensively. Plus, he plays hard.

And people overlook Monty Williams' role in all of this. There might not be a better coach for him. Players love him. He is a defensive specialist. He got the best out of and had his team compete every night with players like Lance Thomas and Squeaky Johnson getting significant burn. And from a developmental standpoint, he was instrumental in Nic Batum's.

With the way the Hornets are constructed now, Davis won't be asked to come in and do too much right away. He won't have to score 25. Eric Gordon does that. Jarrett Jack can do that. They might draft Damian Lillard or Austin Rivers at 10 who can do that. It's a solid team as is that was only in the position to get Davis because of injuries (and probably David Stern).

The skills are there. The desire is there. The environment is perfect. Bust-proof.
 
Blazers Insider: GM Neil Olshey says he has not made any promises

As the June 28 NBA draft nears, rumors and speculation run rampant, and the latest involving the Trail Blazers is that Syracuse shooting guard Dion Waiters has been given a promise by the Blazers that they will select him with the 11th pick.
 
I asked Blazers general manager Neil Olshey about it, and I've never heard him laugh so hard.
 
"I got the job on a Tuesday, and by the time I landed in Chicago the next day (for the predraft camp), I had convinced an owner (to pick a prospect), a player to shut down his workouts ... I mean, I hadn't even talked to my scouts yet."
 
Olshey said he hasn't given Waiters a promise, or any player, for that matter. But that's not to say Olshey is against the practice. He said he has done it before as an executive with the Clippers, and when he worked in a sports agency under Arn Tellem, he said it was not uncommon for one of their clients to get a promise from a team.
 
As draft prospects are spanning the country working out for teams -- Connecticut center Andre Drummond was the latest to come through Portland on Saturday -- Waiters 10 days ago cancelled his workouts and interviews with teams, usually a telltale sign a promise has been given. It was speculated that either Toronto (No.
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, Portland (No.6 and No.11) or Phoenix (No.13) gave Waiters the promise.
 
"(The media) puts it out there that 'it had to be them' and then they want you to admit it, or say you didn't," Olshey said. "But at the end of the day, everybody is going to lie anyway."
 
Such is the life in the NBA these days, where it is so hard to get a straight answer, and where deception is used to gain an advantage. That's why it's virtually useless to believe anything you hear these days regarding who a team likes, or what a team is going to do. The "news" usually stems from an agent, general manager or player who has an agenda.
 
But promises do exist -- Olshey said when he was working for Tellem, they received promises for Shelden Williams, Marcus Banks, Kendrick Perkins, Kedrick Brown and Robert Swift. Sometimes, the promises don't work out -- Swift in 2004 got a promise from Boston at No. 14, but he was chosen by Seattle at No. 12.
 
"And like last year, Reggie Jackson had a promise," Olshey said of the Oklahoma City guard. "I don't know if it was Oklahoma City, but I know he had a promise. Because he had a few medical issues, he didn't finish his season at Boston College, and nobody got to review that medical information, nobody got to interview him ... the rest of the league was flying blind."
 
That's the whole point of giving promises -- to shut down the information gathering process of other teams. But Chad Buchanan, who directed the Blazers' draft last year, said it was his policy to never give a promise to a player. He felt it handcuffed the team in case something unexpected came up, be it a trade opportunity or a player slipping.
 
Although Olshey said he is not against the practice of giving promises, he realizes the pitfalls. When he was an assistant general manager with the Clippers, his boss, Mike Dunleavy promised Russian forward Yaroslav Korolev the Clippers would take him at No.12. The problem was, a kid from New Mexico named Danny Granger was unexpectedly slipping out of the top 10. When it came time for the Clippers to pick at 12, Dunleavy honored his promise to Korolev, even though Olshey said they knew Granger was the better player. Granger was taken 17th by Indiana and became an All-Star. Korolev played 34 NBA games.
 
"I will say this: Very rarely does the promise work out in the best interests of the team," Olshey said. "What it does in my opinion is you are chasing the draft instead of letting the draft come to you. And it takes you out of that the world-comes-to-an-end scenario where a guy you didn't expect plummets. Like Brook Lopez slipping to 10. If New Jersey had promised somebody, what in the world do you do? Because in our business, your word is everything."
 
Olshey said promises happen more often with international players who will go in the second round, because teams want that prospect to remain hidden.
 
"But when you are picking 6 and 11 like us, you are looking at guys so over scouted that you are not hiding them," Olshey said.
 
If there is a wild card in this year's NBA draft, it's Drummond, the 18-year-old giant who headlined the Blazers' workout on Saturday.
 
Drummond is 6-foot-11, 270 pounds -- very similar measurements to Greg Oden -- and has a similar demeanor and lope as the Blazers' former No. 1 pick. He has been projected to be picked as high as No. 2, and before Weber State guard Damian Lillard impressed on Friday, Drummond was the most common player projected going to Portland in the mock drafts.
 
It's clear where Drummond's camp feels he will be drafted high. Drummond said he is only working out for five teams: Charlotte (No. 2), Washington (No. 3), Cleveland (No. 4), Sacramento (No. 5) and Portland.
 
He presents an interesting dilemma for Olshey: It is clear Drummond is still raw, perhaps even a project. Does Olshey risk his first draft pick on such an unknown?
 
"I think your risk tolerance has to be based on the ceiling of the player," Olshey said Saturday, speaking in general, and not about Drummond. "At what point in the draft does the potential reward so outweigh the risk that you have to take it?"
 
Drummond has enormous size and great athleticism. He says his strengths right now are running the floor, rebounding and blocking shots. He admits he is a work-in-progress offensively, where as a freshman at UConn, he made only 32 percent from close-range (22-of-69) and shot 29 percent from the free throw line.
 
But he has the longest wingspan in the draft (7-foot-6.25) and his college coaches say he can run like a deer, has great agility and even better instincts. As the second youngest player in the draft, he is the definition of that word that tantalizes general managers: Potential.
 
"You always have to make decisions when there are players with question marks, whoever they are, based on or relevant to who else would you be taking," Olshey said. "You can't look at it in a vacuum and say 'It's a high-risk pick.' It's a high risk because here are three other players we are much more certain about. And I would say this: your risk tolerance increases the later you get in the draft."
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So apparently Beal was scoring at will against Barnes and was out rebounding him in cleveland.

I'll still be shocked if Barnes isn't in maroon & gold next year.

Front office likes him too much IMO
 
Sooooo....a 6'4 Beal was sonning a 6'9 Barnes, and the FO is still content with Barnes?

Smh. Gimme Beal. That's the only person I personally want with the 4th.
 
According to the chicago tribune bobcats will pick either Robinson, Beal, or Barnes at #2. It wont be Barnes because Cho wont allow that
 
Once again, the nation's capital screws over the city of Cleveland in the draft...

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Originally Posted by Kevin Cleveland

You don't see it with Davis, but Barnes and Rivers are helping to lead the Hornets towards Thunder-like success in a few years...?
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Because I feel like they'll do something STUPID at #10 after picking Davis.
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Almost like, 'we got him, let's draft marquis teague' ... who's not bad, but not the #10 pick.

My worry is that like you said, he was 6'3 two years ago. Everyone's been feeding me the "he's been a guard his entire life, he can shoot, dribble etc."... but what if he never truly develops the mindstate of a 4 in the NBA? This isn't gonna be like college. Reggie Evans is not going to move when Anthony Davis starts his backdown.

I get it, I get it. The potential (which is overrated in all forms of drafting in all sports) is through the roof. Could be the next KG, DIRK, DURANT (continue list of 6'10 athletes who can shoot, dribble, lead). But what if he's the next Emeka Okafor?
 
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