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what you call re-establishing the center I call stealing rounds.
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not until after throwing strikes which he does after he reestablishes the center
he reestablishes the center SO THAT he can set up his strikes
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FIRST: That gif. was towards the end of the fight brah.Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
people are mad, notice ^ how kalib never reestablishes the center, yall sound like yall dont know what circling OUT and reestablishing the center is
arent some of yall boxing fans too?
SECOND: Reestablishing the center is a BS argument. The first two rounds went something like this, Nick presses Condit, Condit backs up, then circles away, then takes the center of
the cage for a second or two, Diaz moves towards Condit again, Carlos backs up immediately and circles away. Repeat x20 and you got the first two rounds.
-MMA judging is suppose to reward octagon control and aggressiveness. So you mean to tell me that Carlos moving backwards and sideways was showing more octagon control and
aggressiveness than Diaz constantly pushing toward? ##+
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Originally Posted by RustyShackleford
FIRST: That gif. was towards the end of the fight brah.Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
people are mad, notice ^ how kalib never reestablishes the center, yall sound like yall dont know what circling OUT and reestablishing the center is
arent some of yall boxing fans too?
SECOND: Reestablishing the center is a BS argument. The first two rounds went something like this, Nick presses Condit, Condit backs up, then circles away, then takes the center of
the cage for a second or two, Diaz moves towards Condit again, Carlos backs up immediately and circles away. Repeat x20 and you got the first two rounds.
-MMA judging is suppose to reward octagon control and aggressiveness. So you mean to tell me that Carlos moving backwards and sideways was showing more octagon control and
aggressiveness than Diaz constantly pushing toward? ##+
youre right, and the underlined part is the most important part - its when condit controls the striking - youre making it sound like all condit did was run the whole time, as if he never stood still after resetting and threw strikes - and it wasnt for "a second or two"
diaz wasnt able to control the striking because condit would circle out against the cage
yall dont get it, diaz wasnt able to fight his fight tonight because condit wasnt dumb enough to stand right in front of him and let nick pepper away against the cage
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"octagon control" isnt just pressing forward, its also about controlling the striking which is what condit did
nick doesnt get points just for walking forward with his hands up high in the air
nick doesnt get points just for walking forward with his hands up high in the air
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Dude I'm not talking about the whole time. Condit clearly won rounds 3 and 4. I know this. Everything you are saying I agree applies to rounds 3 and 4Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
Originally Posted by RustyShackleford
Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
youre right, and the underlined part is the most important part - its when condit controls the striking - youre making it sound like all condit did was run the whole time, as if he never stood still after resetting and threw strikes - and it wasnt for "a second or two"
diaz wasnt able to control the striking because condit would circle out against the cage
yall dont get it, diaz wasnt able to fight his fight tonight because condit wasnt dumb enough to stand right in front of him and let nick pepper away against the cage
But in rounds 1 and 2 he did nothing. He just avoided Nick, that's all. Especially round one. Even Goldberg and Rogan said Carlos looked hesitant. And Nick was putting his hands down
in front of Condit, walking forward and telling Carlos to fight and Condit just kept moving backwards. But the judges gave them to Carlos. BS
-And what about aggression? A major criteria, you actually trying to say Carlos was more aggressive?
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except he didnt do nothing, he looked hesitant because he wasnt following up on his strikes
hed throw a punch/kick, pause, another punch/kick, pause, another punch/kick and then circle away - meanwhile what is nick doing?
in rounds 3, 4, and late into 2 he began following up his strikes and throwing in bunches instead of pausing
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i had diaz winning rounds 1, 2 and 5. it was close though
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I think once the compuscore comes out people will understand
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But the thing is compuscore doesn't mean everything because MMA is not judged like boxing. Why have octagon control and aggression as important criteria if you just gonna give it to the guy who land more strikes? Even if they score them as power shots too, none of Condit's blows hurt Diaz in anyway.
-I'm sorry but I will always, always favor the more aggressive fighter in decisions. I'm not down for point scoring strategies and lay-n-pray
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Just came back from watching it in 3D in NYC.
The 3D ain't a gimmick. It was Avatar 3D X UFC
Well worth the 27 bucks.
Pissed that Diaz lost. I had him winning the first two rounds(possibly 5 but that's a stretch). Condit didn't do #++# in those rounds but then picked it up. Wish Diaz took Carlos down sooner ...
Great strategy and win for Condit
Here are the stats
Pissed that Diaz lost. I had him winning the first two rounds(possibly 5 but that's a stretch). Condit didn't do #++# in those rounds but then picked it up. Wish Diaz took Carlos down sooner ...
Great strategy and win for Condit
Here are the stats
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I still think Condit won but damn. This is interesting though...
RondaRousey Ronda Rousey
If I wanted to see a man run for 25 minutes I'd go to a track meet. Diaz is the real champ, what a *******t fight
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I have to re watch he fight again, but I had it even going into the last round and Diaz winning the 5th.
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Why is Dana even playing like a re-match might be in the cards. He knows damn well that he's gonna be throwing money at Diaz and Condit tomorrow to make this happen. If Edgar v.
Penn got a re-match then this fight deserves one too.
And I love the message this would send to other fighters and the MMA world, if you gonna go out there and fight like Condit did, then we ain't gonna bust out the champagne and
congratulate you on your great "strategy". Nope, you staying right at there level you're at, belt or no belt.
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"fight like condit did" ??? you mean like this?
rewatch the fight and youll see who controlled the striking the ENTIRE fight, not just rounds 3 and 4
condit just wasnt following up on his strikes until late into the 2nd
sorry but i cant take ronda roussard seriously after talking about how condit ran for 25 min, im well aware that shes trained with nick
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This
@%%$ Greg Jackson. Dude trains safe fighters. Decisions all day. I just feel like Condit fought the fight like he knew Nick was better. Diaz was walking him down the entire fight. Ridiculous. I want to watch the MMA, not a Tae Kwon Do tournament.
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awsome, walking him down with his hands high in the air losing the striking battle or with his arms crossed throwing nothing
and feel free to let me know what your definition of "mma" is - tonight i watched a boxer/bjj fighter make use of punches on the head and body and his bjj skills on condits back and a muay thai fighter make use of head punches, body punches, leg kicks, head kicks, push kicks, clinch knees, flying knees, elbows, spinning back fists, etc etc etc
i certainly didnt see any "tae kwon do" or any tae kwon do styled matches
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Please, dude. Did Condit come close to landing one of those flashy strikes? No. At what point did you see the Carlos Condit we're used to seeing? I was really excited for this fight. I am a fan of Condit, but he fought scared tonight. He would throw a combo and immediately start backpedaling throughout the entire fight. Natural Born Killer
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Well, you can't fight Diaz like you fight other fighters. If you stand in front of him he's going to hit you with a 100 punches and you're going down. Condit had a good gameplan but his kicks weren't as effective as they should've been. He also wasn't able to connect with his flying knees or spinning backfists. I thought it was a close fight, could've gone either way.
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Originally Posted by an dee 51o
Please, dude. Did Condit come close to landing one of those flashy strikes? No. At what point did you see the Carlos Condit we're used to seeing? I was really excited for this fight. I am a fan of Condit, but he fought scared tonight. He would throw a combo and immediately start backpedaling throughout the entire fight. Natural Born Killer
why you only concerned with flashy strikes? you mean like flying knees and spinning backfists? is it because you could care less that he landed everything else?
and what the hell do you mean come close to landing? he came close to landing it every time
edit - you know what, i take that back, spinning backfist landed in the 2nd and flying knee landed in the 3rd... so yes, he landed EVERY type of strike
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it just sounds to me like people are disappointed because they didnt get what they "expected to see" in a slugfest or whatever
sorry but i knew that nick was going to come in and fight his fight and i expected that the outcome of the fight would depend on whether or not carlos had an answer for diaz's peppering style - and he did
i got what i expected, condit outstruck nick and didnt allow nick to pepper him up against the cage
sorry but i knew that nick was going to come in and fight his fight and i expected that the outcome of the fight would depend on whether or not carlos had an answer for diaz's peppering style - and he did
i got what i expected, condit outstruck nick and didnt allow nick to pepper him up against the cage
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Love when fighters get hated on for winning
It's hard to hurt Nick so a flamboyant K.O wasn't likely to happen. If it was lay and pray i can understand but he outstruck Diaz all night.
It's hard to hurt Nick so a flamboyant K.O wasn't likely to happen. If it was lay and pray i can understand but he outstruck Diaz all night.
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woooooooooooooooooow @ those fighter response tweets... are they *#**$*! serious??
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Man that was a huge *##**!% dissapointment. Really dissapointed in Condit but I can't blame him I guess. I'm a huge Nick Diaz fan and predicted he was gonna pull it out, but I guess you can't just expect everybody to stand and trade with you every fight.
This reminds of the latest Rampage fights too. He's so dangerous in the pocket that his opponents would rather point fight him or hold him against the cage. All you have to do is use movement and not stand flat-footed and trade with him and you stand a way better chance to get the win. Might look ugly, might be point fighting, and they might look like they're running but bottom line it works.
Nick was too slow when walking Carlos down, couldn't cut off the cage, and he couldn't take it to the ground cause Carlos had better wrestling so it was a tough match to win. With that said I gave Nick rounds 1, 2 and 5, and I thought most of Carlos' shots didn't have much on them, but whatever, it is what it is. And If Carlos uses the same strategy in a rematch he'll probably get the win again unfortunately, I don't see much changing the second time around. But eh, whatever, that's how it goes.
This reminds of the latest Rampage fights too. He's so dangerous in the pocket that his opponents would rather point fight him or hold him against the cage. All you have to do is use movement and not stand flat-footed and trade with him and you stand a way better chance to get the win. Might look ugly, might be point fighting, and they might look like they're running but bottom line it works.
Nick was too slow when walking Carlos down, couldn't cut off the cage, and he couldn't take it to the ground cause Carlos had better wrestling so it was a tough match to win. With that said I gave Nick rounds 1, 2 and 5, and I thought most of Carlos' shots didn't have much on them, but whatever, it is what it is. And If Carlos uses the same strategy in a rematch he'll probably get the win again unfortunately, I don't see much changing the second time around. But eh, whatever, that's how it goes.
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Also Condit "circles" the same way Amir Khan "circled" Lamont Peterson, a.k.a run to the other side of the ring as soon as his back is against the cage/ropes. It is what it is though, it worked, props to Carlos I guess.