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1) Kobe Bryant
2) Chris Paul
3) KG
4) Lebron
2) Chris Paul
3) KG
4) Lebron
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Originally Posted by Mez 0ne
1) Kobe Bryant
2) Chris Paul
3) KG
4) Lebron
Given his team's success, his individual statline, and the positive effect he has on the league (THIS YEAR, folks; the MVP trophy is not for your entire career), I have to go with Kobe.
CP3
- Team success, check.
- Individual statline, check.
- Lakers were more than likely a playoff team, considering they were in last year. Is it surprising that the Lakers are in contention for the #1 seed? Itsure is. But, how many people were really talking up New Orleans to make the playoffs? Let alone them in contention for the #1 seed as well. Positive effecton the league, check.
CP3Originally Posted by franchise3
Kobe will probably get it but
Given his team's success, his individual statline, and the positive effect he has on the league (THIS YEAR, folks; the MVP trophy is not for your entire career), I have to go with Kobe.
- Lakers were more than likely a playoff team, considering they were in last year. Is it surprising that the Lakers are in contention for the #1 seed? It sure is. But, how many people were really talking up New Orleans to make the playoffs? Let alone them in contention for the #1 seed as well. Positive effect on the league, check.
I was one of the few people who had New Orleans being a serious threat this year.
No one knew what to expect with Kobe and the Lakers coming into this season, hell, we didn't even know if he'd be a Laker!!
As Ska said, there's dudes like Kobe and LeBron, then there's guys like CP3, Kidd, Nash, Shaq, KG, AI, Yao, Tracy, Gilbert. Kobe and LeBron are in aLeague of their own.
And given the Lakers success, if they finish a top 3 seed, Kobe's getting it.
^ THIS YEAR, Chris Paul has had a more positive effect on the league?
Obviously, they both have a positive effect; that's not the question.
The question is: "Who had a MORE positive impact on the league?"
I say Kobe. Him and LeBron are THE faces of the league, but like I said earlier, LeBron is out in my opinion, because of his team's record.
What has Kobe really done to have a more positive impact on the league, this year?
By being the face of the league? Kobe has been the face of the league for awhile now. When you think of the NBA, Kobe is always one of the first playersthought of. I don't see anything he's done that's outpoured positivity to the league.
I guess Kobe has been positive in the aspect of after demanding a trade, he put his head down and just went to work, instead of being a distraction for thewhole year. Besides that, Kobe seems like Kobe to me. Just like any other year. Business as usual.
I don't know about you, but most people had the Lakers as a 7/8 seed tops, with the majority missing saying they will miss the playoffs.
The Hornets were a young team and they almost made the playoffs last year, everyone knew they would improve.
I have a question though(just a general question for anyone to answer), what does Kobe have to do in order to win the MVP?
Anyway, I say a co-MVP with CP3 and Kobe winning
Again, it's a great story how the Lakers have arisen back to atop the West. It really is. But, Kobe is arguably the best player in the gametoday. (I think he is) Of course it's no fault to him, but when you see the Lakers at the top, as surprising as it is, you remind yourself that that teamhas Kobe, and it's like, 'Ok."
I just think it's even more impressive that the Hornets are there in contention, as, before this season started, you would get laughed at if you said CP3was the best PG in the game. This season he's risen to prove that he is.
The Lakers success is attributed to Kobe, as it always is, and should be, but you look at last year's Lakers team, and then you look at this years.
Pretty much the same supporting cast. Bynum, check. Vlad, check. Sasha, check. Farmar, check.
What's different is every single one of these guys have stepped up their game this season, compared to last season.
Kobe didn't make these guys better. Sure, he makes the game easier for them, but a lot of these guys are just flat out stepping it up, which is key to theLakers success this year.
I was one of the few people who had New Orleans being a serious threat this year.
No one knew what to expect with Kobe and the Lakers coming into this season, hell, we didn't even know if he'd be a Laker!!
As Ska said, there's dudes like Kobe and LeBron, then there's guys like CP3, Kidd, Nash, Shaq, KG, AI, Yao, Tracy, Gilbert. Kobe and LeBron are in a League of their own.
And given the Lakers success, if they finish a top 3 seed, Kobe's getting it.
Great call.
Very true that nobody even knew if Kobe would still be around, and all the credit goes to Kobe for putting his head down and going to work.
It's just, I don't think the MVP should be based off 'star power'/face of the league type stuff. I don't think that's part of it tobegin with, considering how Nash has won the MVP back to back years.
It should be based off indvidual stats/team success.
My opinion is, whoever finishes higher in the top 3 in the West should get it.
It's fair to say that CP3 is just as deserving as Kobe.
Just say no to the 'due' theory for Kobe.
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
^ What has LeBron done to positively impact the league?
Just go to work every night, and be amazing + consistent at it, and stay out of trouble. Dunk on people from time to time, win a game by yourself here and there, play with an injury a few times... just be a highlight player and bring no negativity to yourself.
That's what I meant when I asked the question 'How much of a positive impact do they have on the league?'
And you might think that Kobe is playing the same this year as he always has... but... no way. He has opened up VERY gradually over the years, both to his teammates and to the world.
I'm not going to go into the differences he has made from his rookie year to now, so don't ask; I'm not going to answer. I'm just going to say that, over the years, he has grown into being one of the faces of the league; it's him and LeBron as the league's go-to poster boys... and then everyone else.
But looking at LeBron's record, I can't give him the MVP.
Originally Posted by franchise3
Again, it's a great story how the Lakers have arisen back to atop the West. It really is. But, Kobe is arguably the best player in the game today. (I think he is) Of course it's no fault to him, but when you see the Lakers at the top, as surprising as it is, you remind yourself that that team has Kobe, and it's like, 'Ok."
I just think it's even more impressive that the Hornets are there in contention, as, before this season started, you would get laughed at if you said CP3 was the best PG in the game. This season he's risen to prove that he is.
The Lakers success is attributed to Kobe, as it always is, and should be, but you look at last year's Lakers team, and then you look at this years.
Pretty much the same supporting cast. Bynum, check. Vlad, check. Sasha, check. Farmar, check.
What's different is every single one of these guys have stepped up their game this season, compared to last season.
Kobe didn't make these guys better. Sure, he makes the game easier for them, but a lot of these guys are just flat out stepping it up, which is key to the Lakers success this year.
Originally Posted by Sick Ik 23
I would say LeBron or CP3. I'm not a Kobe hater or anything but Kobe had help with Bynum in the beginning of the season and then Pau Gasol and Odom isn't as bad as people make him to be.
LeBron has Ben Wallace and Z......
This is the problem I have when people use the whole "make their teammates better" LeBron and CP3 make their teammates better, but Kobe doesn't, his teammates just stepped up their game? What exactly do you define as making your teammates better: assists?, because that is laughable. All 3 of these players obviously make their teammates better by getting them open shots, but it goes beyond that, the leadership Kobe has displayed this year after the whole fiasco this summer is remarkable. Anyone can see the gradual change over the years like ska eluded to from him not trusting his teammates at all to very little, to now encouraging, teaching, and being an overall better guy. For all you know, David West & Peja just stepped their games up, the same with Bobbie Gibson, Z, etc. I wouldn't say that LeBron or CP3 don't make their teammates better because they do, but don't act like Kobe isn't. Each of them are the main cogs of their teams' success and have contributed in more ways than just stats.
Every MVP is valuable to their team. Kobe included. The Lakers would be nowhere without him. Same with the Hornets without CP3, and the Cavs withoutLebron.
Like I said, Kobe makes the game easier for his guys. Easier for them to excel. Same with all the other MVP candidates.
But, last year, Chandler and David West was already putting up numbers.
Gooden (when he was on the Cavs) and Big Z was already putting up numbers.
Like I said, last year, Kobe had the same group of guys.
Where were the numbers?
Fast forward one season.
What's changed? Did Kobe's game change or did the other guys?
Bynum putting up these sorts of numbers (probably because of the big man camp he went to over the Summer), Farmar, Sasha, who all Lakers fans thought was trashone year ago (now he's the Machine), and Vlad are all stepping up their games.
Kobe is Kobe, but the real success to the Lakers team is Kobe actually has help this year.
That's why dude wanted to leave in the first place, he thought this team wasn't going anywhere. And how could anyone blame him coming into thisseason? Farmar, Bynum? Sasha!? Get real.
It's safe to say that it's been a collective effort on why the Lakers are so succesful.
Whereas CP3 and the Hornets basically came outta nowhere and skyrocketed to the West's elite in a season's time.
Originally Posted by franchise3
This is the problem I have when people use the whole "make their teammates better" LeBron and CP3 make their teammates better, but Kobe doesn't, his teammates just stepped up their game? What exactly do you define as making your teammates better: assists?, because that is laughable. All 3 of these players obviously make their teammates better by getting them open shots, but it goes beyond that, the leadership Kobe has displayed this year after the whole fiasco this summer is remarkable. Anyone can see the gradual change over the years like ska eluded to from him not trusting his teammates at all to very little, to now encouraging, teaching, and being an overall better guy. For all you know, David West & Peja just stepped their games up, the same with Bobbie Gibson, Z, etc. I wouldn't say that LeBron or CP3 don't make their teammates better because they do, but don't act like Kobe isn't. Each of them are the main cogs of their teams' success and have contributed in more ways than just stats.