Official NBA OFF-SEASON Thread - 2011: Free Agency Dec. 9th

[airjordan jb23]

UA Ep. 4

 

[thatpersianguy]

In his first meeting with Warriors fans, new coach Mark Jackson started an impromptu chant of "De-fense" among a confused audience, which has rarely heard that word while missing the playoffs 16 of the past 17 seasons.

"Don't stand up and clap when we're a playoff basketball team, because we won't be standing up and clapping as a team," Jackson said. "Our ultimate goal will be to hang a championship banner."

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Those kinds of stirring and outrageous statements were the norm as about 3,000 Warriors season-ticket holders listened to a panel discussion with the team's hierarchy, including Jackson, co-owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber and executive board member Jerry West.



I won't knock his commitment but

 

[thatpersianguy]

In his first meeting with Warriors fans, new coach Mark Jackson started an impromptu chant of "De-fense" among a confused audience, which has rarely heard that word while missing the playoffs 16 of the past 17 seasons.

"Don't stand up and clap when we're a playoff basketball team, because we won't be standing up and clapping as a team," Jackson said. "Our ultimate goal will be to hang a championship banner."

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Those kinds of stirring and outrageous statements were the norm as about 3,000 Warriors season-ticket holders listened to a panel discussion with the team's hierarchy, including Jackson, co-owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber and executive board member Jerry West.



I won't knock his commitment but

 

[youngtriz]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Originally Posted by Iamjusayn

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE



Don't be a penis head bruh... The Bulls can use you

 man please! we do not need that clown. I'm so cool on him 

So we didn't lack scoring from the 2 guard position? We didn't have a crew full of players who couldn't get their own shot? We didn't have players AFRAID to try to score?  We couldn't use and Althetic 2 in his mid 20's with unlimited 3pt range and a good mid range who can create his own shot isn't afraid of the moment and won't cost us an arm & a leg? OH.

So what team were you following again because CLEARLY we must not have been watching the same team.

  

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

 

[youngtriz]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Originally Posted by Iamjusayn

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE



Don't be a penis head bruh... The Bulls can use you

 man please! we do not need that clown. I'm so cool on him 

So we didn't lack scoring from the 2 guard position? We didn't have a crew full of players who couldn't get their own shot? We didn't have players AFRAID to try to score?  We couldn't use and Althetic 2 in his mid 20's with unlimited 3pt range and a good mid range who can create his own shot isn't afraid of the moment and won't cost us an arm & a leg? OH.

So what team were you following again because CLEARLY we must not have been watching the same team.

  

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

  

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

That has what to do with what I said again?

Oh. You were just trying to get one off?

Oh. Ok cool yea we ended up tied for season match up but y'all got y'all 4 when it mattered. You feel better now?

Cool.
  

 

[JD617]

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

So we didn't lack scoring from the 2 guard position? We didn't have a crew full of players who couldn't get their own shot? We didn't have players AFRAID to try to score?  We couldn't use and Althetic 2 in his mid 20's with unlimited 3pt range and a good mid range who can create his own shot isn't afraid of the moment and won't cost us an arm & a leg? OH.

So what team were you following again because CLEARLY we must not have been watching the same team.

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

  

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

That has what to do with what I said again?

Oh. You were just trying to get one off?

Oh. Ok cool yea we ended up tied for season match up but y'all got y'all 4 when it mattered. You feel better now?

Cool.
  

 

[JD617]

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

So we didn't lack scoring from the 2 guard position? We didn't have a crew full of players who couldn't get their own shot? We didn't have players AFRAID to try to score?  We couldn't use and Althetic 2 in his mid 20's with unlimited 3pt range and a good mid range who can create his own shot isn't afraid of the moment and won't cost us an arm & a leg? OH.

So what team were you following again because CLEARLY we must not have been watching the same team.

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

 

[youngtriz]

Originally Posted by JD617

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

So we didn't lack scoring from the 2 guard position? We didn't have a crew full of players who couldn't get their own shot? We didn't have players AFRAID to try to score?  We couldn't use and Althetic 2 in his mid 20's with unlimited 3pt range and a good mid range who can create his own shot isn't afraid of the moment and won't cost us an arm & a leg? OH.

So what team were you following again because CLEARLY we must not have been watching the same team.

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

then the celtic fan to the rescue...

.. dont take it to the heart cake... im just bored and with no season to look foward to all i can do is remember the playoffs.. i dont wanna talk about the finals..

 

[youngtriz]

Originally Posted by JD617

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

So we didn't lack scoring from the 2 guard position? We didn't have a crew full of players who couldn't get their own shot? We didn't have players AFRAID to try to score?  We couldn't use and Althetic 2 in his mid 20's with unlimited 3pt range and a good mid range who can create his own shot isn't afraid of the moment and won't cost us an arm & a leg? OH.

So what team were you following again because CLEARLY we must not have been watching the same team.

... but, but.. you guys beat us all regular season though...

then the celtic fan to the rescue...

.. dont take it to the heart cake... im just bored and with no season to look foward to all i can do is remember the playoffs.. i dont wanna talk about the finals..

 

[jdiddy]

I'm not a fan of Dereck Fisher on the court, but off the court he's somebody. That letter he gave out to the players was a good read.

 

[jdiddy]

I'm not a fan of Dereck Fisher on the court, but off the court he's somebody. That letter he gave out to the players was a good read.

 

[big j 33]

I was going to mention those Mark Jackson comments... but I let it slide.

I won't be happy if he fails by any means, that's not my style, but all of his outrageous and unwarranted talk will be even funnier if/when he cannot deliver.

 

[big j 33]

I was going to mention those Mark Jackson comments... but I let it slide.

I won't be happy if he fails by any means, that's not my style, but all of his outrageous and unwarranted talk will be even funnier if/when he cannot deliver.

 

[kingjay718]

Steve Javie Retires.

 

[kingjay718]

Steve Javie Retires.

 

[CP1708]

From Bill Simmons today

Speaking of catastrophes, I'm launching a new segment in the NFL picks column this season: the NBA Lockout Watch, sponsored by Anusol. That's right, Anusol, the cream you should buy for your itchy %%+$. If you're clawing at your %%+$ like a bear trying to break through a camper's tent, it's time for Anusol. Anyway, here's this week's edition of the Anusol NBA Lockout Watch (feel free to skip four paragraphs to the next game) …
After wasting nearly the whole summer pointing fingers, leaking stories to reporters and doing everything except getting in a room and negotiating, Billy Hunter's side finally came down a little … and, of course, instead of just agreeing on a better revenue split (right now it's 57/43 for the players, but both sides know it will land somewhere around 51/49), four-year maxes for guaranteed contracts (easily achievable, and absolutely necessary because teams literally can't stop themselves from overpaying players and being crippled by their deals) and a slightly harder salary cap — three moves that would have gotten us 87 percent of the way there — a few of the newer owners (Cleveland's Dan Gilbert and Phoenix's Robert Sarver are the biggies) are now pushing for even more stuff and that's bogging everything down. This faction believes the players' side is crumbling because a few of the biggest NBA agents (Jeff Schwartz, Arn Tellem, etc.) lost faith in Hunter and are investigating the decertification process (which would be THE dumbest thing they could do). These owners don't just want to win this lockout, they want to take a hatchet to 65 years of progress by NBA players … who, by the way, did nothing wrong other than continue to cash in on the ridiculous contracts that owners kept giving them.

Let's take a step back and consider the stupidity of this. Sarver and Gilbert both overpaid for their teams and hope to blow up the system, then create a more favorable one that would cover up the fact that they overpaid for their teams. In Gilbert's case, he coddled LeBron for years, overpaid just about every player on his team (did Daniel Gibson write his deal himself?), showed no roster savvy whatsoever (his front office was really the Bizarro Sam Presti), crippled his own cap season after season, then flipped out when LeBron finally said, "I gotta get out of here, I need to play with better players"[sup]5[/sup] … and now he blames "the system" for what happened because there are apparently no mirrors in his house. Sarver overpaid for the Suns, realized it about a year later, then spent the next few years pinching pennies … which would have been fine if he didn't have a legitimate chance to win the title from 2005 to 2008 and also in 2010. He's the kind of guy who watched Steve Kerr build a team that came within a couple of breaks of making the 2010 Finals, then offered Kerr a pay cut. His fans hate him; hell, his own players hate him. When I made a few Sarver/Gilbert tweets yesterday, Steve Nash retweeted one of the anti-Sarver tweets.

Why do two owners with CLEAR AGENDAS like Sarver and Gilbert have any input here? It's a great question. The NFL had three of its best and most ruthless owners (Bob Kraft, Jerry Jones and Jerry Richardson) handling its lockout; the NBA has the likes of Sarver, Gilbert, New York's James Dolan and Minnesota's Glen Taylor involved. Have you watched how they run their teams? For god's sake, Taylor just splurged on a coach (Rick Adelman) who told him in no uncertain terms, "I am not answering to your current GM," so instead of firing that GM (David Kahn, the least respected GM in the league by a landslide), Taylor decided, "OK, you don't have to answer to him" AND KEPT BOTH GUYS!!!!!!!! And Dolan is Dolan — he's basically the train from Unstoppable at all times. Why should I expect those four owners to have great insight into solving something as complicated as a labor dispute?

And are we really missing games over this? You should have labor stoppages only because of real issues — like what we had in 1964, when the players nearly sat out the All-Star Game in Boston because they were being treated so badly, or in 1998, when the players were suddenly making so much money that the owners needed a better way to protect themselves. We're not even close to that. I can tell you right now where we're ending up: 51/49 split, four-year max deals, slightly harder cap. So effing get there already. Enough with the posturing. And by the way, both sides could mention the fans once in a while, or show at least a little urgency that they're about to blow all momentum from one of the best seasons in the history of the league. If they think anyone except for die-hard basketball fans will care that there's no NBA in October, November and December — when we'll be focused on the baseball playoffs, the NFL and college football — then they're even more delusional than I thought. I hate everybody in this. Seriously. Both sides make me want to throw up. That was your Anusol NBA Lockout Watch for this week. Back to football.

 

[CP1708]

From Bill Simmons today

Speaking of catastrophes, I'm launching a new segment in the NFL picks column this season: the NBA Lockout Watch, sponsored by Anusol. That's right, Anusol, the cream you should buy for your itchy %%+$. If you're clawing at your %%+$ like a bear trying to break through a camper's tent, it's time for Anusol. Anyway, here's this week's edition of the Anusol NBA Lockout Watch (feel free to skip four paragraphs to the next game) …
After wasting nearly the whole summer pointing fingers, leaking stories to reporters and doing everything except getting in a room and negotiating, Billy Hunter's side finally came down a little … and, of course, instead of just agreeing on a better revenue split (right now it's 57/43 for the players, but both sides know it will land somewhere around 51/49), four-year maxes for guaranteed contracts (easily achievable, and absolutely necessary because teams literally can't stop themselves from overpaying players and being crippled by their deals) and a slightly harder salary cap — three moves that would have gotten us 87 percent of the way there — a few of the newer owners (Cleveland's Dan Gilbert and Phoenix's Robert Sarver are the biggies) are now pushing for even more stuff and that's bogging everything down. This faction believes the players' side is crumbling because a few of the biggest NBA agents (Jeff Schwartz, Arn Tellem, etc.) lost faith in Hunter and are investigating the decertification process (which would be THE dumbest thing they could do). These owners don't just want to win this lockout, they want to take a hatchet to 65 years of progress by NBA players … who, by the way, did nothing wrong other than continue to cash in on the ridiculous contracts that owners kept giving them.

Let's take a step back and consider the stupidity of this. Sarver and Gilbert both overpaid for their teams and hope to blow up the system, then create a more favorable one that would cover up the fact that they overpaid for their teams. In Gilbert's case, he coddled LeBron for years, overpaid just about every player on his team (did Daniel Gibson write his deal himself?), showed no roster savvy whatsoever (his front office was really the Bizarro Sam Presti), crippled his own cap season after season, then flipped out when LeBron finally said, "I gotta get out of here, I need to play with better players"[sup]5[/sup] … and now he blames "the system" for what happened because there are apparently no mirrors in his house. Sarver overpaid for the Suns, realized it about a year later, then spent the next few years pinching pennies … which would have been fine if he didn't have a legitimate chance to win the title from 2005 to 2008 and also in 2010. He's the kind of guy who watched Steve Kerr build a team that came within a couple of breaks of making the 2010 Finals, then offered Kerr a pay cut. His fans hate him; hell, his own players hate him. When I made a few Sarver/Gilbert tweets yesterday, Steve Nash retweeted one of the anti-Sarver tweets.

Why do two owners with CLEAR AGENDAS like Sarver and Gilbert have any input here? It's a great question. The NFL had three of its best and most ruthless owners (Bob Kraft, Jerry Jones and Jerry Richardson) handling its lockout; the NBA has the likes of Sarver, Gilbert, New York's James Dolan and Minnesota's Glen Taylor involved. Have you watched how they run their teams? For god's sake, Taylor just splurged on a coach (Rick Adelman) who told him in no uncertain terms, "I am not answering to your current GM," so instead of firing that GM (David Kahn, the least respected GM in the league by a landslide), Taylor decided, "OK, you don't have to answer to him" AND KEPT BOTH GUYS!!!!!!!! And Dolan is Dolan — he's basically the train from Unstoppable at all times. Why should I expect those four owners to have great insight into solving something as complicated as a labor dispute?

And are we really missing games over this? You should have labor stoppages only because of real issues — like what we had in 1964, when the players nearly sat out the All-Star Game in Boston because they were being treated so badly, or in 1998, when the players were suddenly making so much money that the owners needed a better way to protect themselves. We're not even close to that. I can tell you right now where we're ending up: 51/49 split, four-year max deals, slightly harder cap. So effing get there already. Enough with the posturing. And by the way, both sides could mention the fans once in a while, or show at least a little urgency that they're about to blow all momentum from one of the best seasons in the history of the league. If they think anyone except for die-hard basketball fans will care that there's no NBA in October, November and December — when we'll be focused on the baseball playoffs, the NFL and college football — then they're even more delusional than I thought. I hate everybody in this. Seriously. Both sides make me want to throw up. That was your Anusol NBA Lockout Watch for this week. Back to football.

 

[Animal Thug]

A hard-cap only makes sense in these times were living in i.e. compromising, inflation, squeezing the life out of anything worth a dollar.

The owners know that if a hard-cap isn't in place, the NBA could see drastic losses in small markets. It's going to basically spread the talent through out the league, making it a better show if for instance; the Lakers play the T-Wolves, or if NY plays the Charlotte, Cleveland plays Chicago, etc. If all of these big named players left these small market teams, and all cornered themselves into cities like NY, LA, etc - what fun is it if you're a season ticket holder and you're only going to enjoy 10-15 games through out the season?

How can you knock a owner like Gilbert? Honestly, think about for a second with no biasism. His franchise took a $250 million loss (based on the value according to some folks) when Lebron left. $250,000,000 loss.

You think he's not going to try and prevent other players doing that to small market teams?

+!%# the players, the owners are looking out for us fans. So we can enjoy a league where talent is spread around; so if you're in NY - going to watch the Sacramento Kings wouldn't be a boring game.

 

[Animal Thug]

A hard-cap only makes sense in these times were living in i.e. compromising, inflation, squeezing the life out of anything worth a dollar.

The owners know that if a hard-cap isn't in place, the NBA could see drastic losses in small markets. It's going to basically spread the talent through out the league, making it a better show if for instance; the Lakers play the T-Wolves, or if NY plays the Charlotte, Cleveland plays Chicago, etc. If all of these big named players left these small market teams, and all cornered themselves into cities like NY, LA, etc - what fun is it if you're a season ticket holder and you're only going to enjoy 10-15 games through out the season?

How can you knock a owner like Gilbert? Honestly, think about for a second with no biasism. His franchise took a $250 million loss (based on the value according to some folks) when Lebron left. $250,000,000 loss.

You think he's not going to try and prevent other players doing that to small market teams?

+!%# the players, the owners are looking out for us fans. So we can enjoy a league where talent is spread around; so if you're in NY - going to watch the Sacramento Kings wouldn't be a boring game.

 

[adobecs4]

DWill been eating good this summer

Looking forward to Under The Armour Episode 5

 

[adobecs4]

DWill been eating good this summer

Looking forward to Under The Armour Episode 5

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by KingJay718

Steve Javie Retires.

And Bob Delaney.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by KingJay718

Steve Javie Retires.

And Bob Delaney.