***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

US shifted from Democratic preference to Republican in 2021: Gallup

The political preferences among Americans shifted from Democratic to Republican over the course of 2021, according to a new Gallup survey, mirroring the popularity of President Biden and …

thehill.com

 

[dinyc3st]

*grabs popcorn*

 

[IATT]

 

[dinyc3st]

*grabs popcorn*

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ain't nothing but pure uncut salted Land O'Lakes butter flowing through Clarence Thomas' veins

 

[thehealthinspector]

Don't laws "force morality on people?"

We can outlaw racial discrimination, but not teach students about racism?
We can outlaw murder, but not teach students about genocide?


The separation of church and state functions to protect religious freedom.

Were schools to favor or promote the views of certain religions at the expense of others, religious freedom would be constrained - not enhanced.


mRNA vaccines cannot "give people COVID." They do not contain the virus.

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

Learn how mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response against COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

How are you not making blanket statements based on your own morality?

"Teaching religion is wrong"

You're against an agnostic person teaching something out of the Bible?

"teaching racism is bad is good"

You're fine with white people in the south teaching racism... Or their version of it?

Who's going to teach kids about the the racism of progressives?

"bernie didn't win because of low information voters in the south"

"black men don't believe jussie because they're anti gay"

 

[yobyellav]

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/election/article257452372.html

 

[Methodical Management]

How are you not making blanket statements based on your own morality?

"Teaching religion is wrong"

You're against an agnostic person teaching something out of the Bible?

"teaching racism is bad is good"

You're fine with white people in the south teaching racism... Or their version of it?

Who's going to teach kids about the the racism of progressives?

"bernie didn't win because of low information voters in the south"

"black men don't believe jussie because they're anti gay"

I noticed you didn't answer my question.

Just so I'm sure I understand you correctly, is it your position that schools should teach the Christian Bible, but not teach children that racism is bad?
Should schools also teach children the Qur'an?

The belief that religious instruction is better suited to places of worship than public schools is not the same as saying "teaching religion is wrong."
How would you feel if schools taught the Diné Bahaneʼ (creation story), but not the Christian creation story?

Who's going to teach kids about the the racism of progressives?

If you believe that teaching students the factual history of the "Three-fifths compromise," the Chinese Exclusion Act, Executive Order 9066 effecting Japanese-American internment, the Western Oregon Indian Termination Act, or other infamous examples of institutionalized racism must be counterbalanced by "the racism of progressives", you are the one suggesting that ownership of systemic racism rests solely at the feet of conservatives.

"black men don't believe jussie because they're anti gay"

Setting aside your assumption that schools ought to be teaching about Jussie Smollett as an historical figure:

Do you have any evidence to suggest that Black men are significantly more homophobic than White men when controlling for factors like age, religion, and SES - or is this just a negative racial stereotype to which you happen to subscribe?

 

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[dwalk31]

 

[thehealthinspector]

I noticed you didn't answer my question.

Just so I'm sure I understand you correctly, is it your position that schools should teach the Christian Bible, but not teach children that racism is bad?
Should schools also teach children the Qur'an?

The belief that religious instruction is better suited to places of worship than public schools is not the same as saying "teaching religion is wrong."
How would you feel if schools taught the Diné Bahaneʼ (creation story), but not the Christian creation story?


If you believe that teaching students the factual history of the "Three-fifths compromise," the Chinese Exclusion Act, Executive Order 9066 effecting Japanese-American internment, the Western Oregon Indian Termination Act, or other infamous examples of institutionalized racism must be counterbalanced by "the racism of progressives", you are the one suggesting that ownership of systemic racism rests solely at the feet of conservatives.


Setting aside your assumption that schools ought to be teaching about Jussie Smollett as an historical figure:

Do you have any evidence to suggest that Black men are significantly more homophobic than White men when controlling for factors like age, religion, and SES - or is this just a negative racial stereotype to which you happen to subscribe?

I don't think it's okay to teach the Bible

I don't think people should be trying to force their views on morality on others

I don't trust progressives to teach their "non racist" views on kids and their in lies the problem... WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHATS OKAY TO TEACH ABOUT RACISM?

If you think it's ok to teach kids that standing up for gay people means it's okay to accuse black men of being anti gay, that's up to you

Im not okay with progressives trying to force their beliefs on people hence my comparisons to religious fanatics

 

[Methodical Management]

I don't think people should be trying to force their views on morality on others

Again: Don't laws "force morality on people?"

We can outlaw racial discrimination, but not teach students about racism?
We can outlaw murder, but not teach students about genocide?

Teaching students about the cruelty that slaveholders inflicted upon those they held captive imparts too much of a moral slant for your taste?

Im not okay with progressives trying to force their beliefs on people

Is the Supreme Court’s ruling in Dred Scott v. Sanford a “belief” or is it a fact?

 

[thehealthinspector]

Again: Don't laws "force morality on people?"

We can outlaw racial discrimination, but not teach students about racism?
We can outlaw murder, but not teach students about genocide?

Teaching students about the cruelty that slaveholders inflicted upon those they held captive imparts too much of a moral slant for your taste?


Is the Supreme Court’s ruling in Dred Scott v. Sanford a “belief” or is it a fact?

"I see you didnt answer my question"

Who gets to decide what gets taught about racism?

Obviously progressives have a problem with the district themselves deciding, so who?

The board of education? The supreme Court? Who?

 

[Methodical Management]

Who gets to decide what gets taught about racism?

So in lieu of defending your “you can’t force morality” argument, you’re pivoting to “states’ rights?”

Why does that sound familiar?

 

[thehealthinspector]

So in lieu of defending your “you can’t force morality” argument, you’re pivoting to “states’ rights?”

Why does that sound familiar?

Funny how states rights are so important when Donald trump is in office

It's not a pivot, it's all related

I'm not ok with people trying to impose their morality in others

But if we take a step back and say it's ok, then who gets to decide what is morally acceptable to teach in regards to racism

It's all related, no one is pivoting

 

[Methodical Management]

I'm not ok with people trying to impose their morality in others

Does that include laws?

It sounds like you just don’t want to live in a society.

 

[thehealthinspector]

Does that include laws?

It sounds like you just don’t want to live in a society.

Morality for "laws" as in laws that punish criminals?

What does punishing criminals have to do with teaching racism?

 

[RustyShackleford]

I hate when people try to pass off a reactionary swipe at progressives as some sort of principled take

 

[yobyellav]

And no one is surprised that the vote went the way it did. Nearly 60 years later and we're still on the same ****.

 

[Methodical Management]

Morality for "laws" as in laws that punish criminals?

What does punishing criminals have to do with teaching racism?

Laws undeniably "impose morality on people," do they not?

You cannot define "criminals" without the application of some moral standard. That stealing is wrong represents a moral belief.

 

[thehealthinspector]

Laws undeniably "impose morality on people," do they not?

You cannot define "criminals" without the application of some moral standard. That stealing is wrong represents a moral belief.

Those moral laws you refer to are about deterring and punishing criminals

We're talking about teaching racism in schools and you're trying to somehow tie it to punishing criminals

 

[Methodical Management]

Those moral laws you refer to are about deterring and punishing criminals

We're talking about teaching racism in schools and you're trying to somehow tie it to punishing criminals

You said,

I don't think people should be trying to force their views on morality on others

It seems you'd like to revise that.

 

[thehealthinspector]

You said,


It seems you'd like to revise that.

Oh great

Some vocabulary technical argument

Let's continue to venture off from the original tweet

I'm fine with conservative parents not buying their kids books on racism

Are you not?

 

[RustyShackleford]

What is going on in Florida is not about forcing conservative parents to buy their kids books on racism. It was to about laws the GOP is trying to pass...

Florida bill would bar businesses and schools from making anyone "feel discomfort" or "guilt" about race

A proposal would prohibit public schools and private businesses from making White people feel "discomfort" when they teach students or train employees about discrimination in the nation's past.

www.cbsnews.com

Running your mouth complaining about progressives forcing their morality on people, when it is conservatives that are trying to do it

Being loud, proud, and low information

 

[Methodical Management]

Oh great

Some vocabulary technical argument

Let's continue to venture off from the original tweet

I'm fine with conservative parents not buying their kids books on racism

Are you not?

You’re veering pretty far from your original argument now, but at least you’re dropping the phony pretense.

Deciding that racism doesn’t deserve to be taught in public schools isn’t to take a neutral stance on racism.

Supporters of this proposed law are taking the position that American history matters except where it describes the events that have shaped racial inequality in our society, which ought to go unmentioned due to the possibility that it might make some White people uncomfortable.

This seems to suggest that White people’s feelings are more important than those of other Americans, as well as the need for all students to receive a basic grasp of some of the most formative events in American history.

(Incidentally: if someone implied that you were too fragile to handle a factual account of the nation’s history, wouldn’t that make you uncomfortable?)