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***Official Political Discussion Thread***
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yobyellav
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Calm down. I agree it’s “settled medicine.” Laughing (probably shouldn’t be) that we live in a time where there’s real concern an attorney who doesn’t believe in vaccines can be appointed to lead health agencies. We really seem to be ******.
yobyellav
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Start-up putting ammo vending machines in grocery stores plans to grow
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We are.
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Yea you gotta be careful how you respond. It’s hard to interpret things sometimes in written form.
yobyellav
formerly cord15
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Meh…worse things have happened than me being misinterpreted. If there’s ever confusion about a post that I don’t address, know that I err on the side of common sense.
And human decency. More and more politicians and people in general seem to go the other way.
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- Jul 29, 2001
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Trump says a lot of things that are logistically impossible to implement. His dumb base just doesn't realize it. He wanted to send the Feds into all the legal marijuana states and shut them down, and his people told him that was a terrible idea because it would be a logistical and political nightmare.
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I wonder where all those protesters that could find their way to all those democratic events and took such a hardline disappeared to
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dacomeup
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I’m extremely disappointed in the CBC after this. So many failing to meet the moment. I was already cynical about the party on the national level but would argue for people to make rational decisions it’s getting harder and harder to argue that. You can only keep arguing lesser of two evils for so long. I still know anything is infinitely better than the Republican Party but it’s exhausting watching the establishment of the party not taking this as serious as some of us.
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They need to be put on blast for their cowardly behavior and hypocrisy. Wouldn’t even shock me if most of them were paid disrupters by some GOP group to begin with. Because no way can they be that dumb to think the conservative alternative is a better solution for their interests.
They know they can pull up to any Dem events they want and show their *** and be disruptive and the worst possible thing that’ll happen is they get kicked out. It’s almost like they fear mutual confrontation to where they deliberately avoid Trump/GOP events. The old excuse was Biden is the President so why would we go to Trump rallies. Well that won’t be the case anymore next month so hopefully they grow a pair during this upcoming administration.
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They do.
GOPers celebrates the killing of disrupters, especially if those disrupters can be tied to the Left.
Most of those protesters are not willing to walk the talk when it comes down to it, and they have been convinced by political influencers to reject the only solution for folks who don't want to be pepper sprayed/shot at with rubber bullets: be a consistent voter, and vote for whoever can enact policies closest to your ideals.
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elpablo21
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Connolly is 74 dog
Party needs to start moving on
Party needs to start moving on
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I never thought I’d reach this point but if the establishment of the party don’t move on the voters need to move on and not to the Republican Party like some have argued cause that would be ridiculous. I want the Democratic Party to split if these dudes don’t get their **** together. I’ve argued against it in the past and understand the initial problems that would bring towards defeating republicans nationally but I feel like we will be left with no other option if they don’t get they act right.
Progressives should split make they own party convince as many progressive leaning dems to come with them and let the democrats and the new progressive party whatever it will be called fight for the share of voters left of the isle. Draw a line in the sand and let the voters decide who they believe will be best equipped to defeat the republicans going forward and lead this country for the better.
elpablo21
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I feel your frustration 100% but any real split doesn't benefit the old dems or a new progressive party and they're losing even more leverage by doing that.
Just have to continue to vote and replace folks where the demos show favor to more progressive candidates and keep growing their own caucus.
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This girl got the greatest publicists because I never even heard of her until a few months ago.I know Chappell Roan was on Carpool Karaoke yesterday, so there's that.
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I definitely think people still need to do this regardless cause it makes the most sense to do. I just feel like there will always be that roadblock on the national level now cause of how these dudes get down. I’m starting to question if the progressives would be hurt more by a split than the old guard would cause I believe they would win the war of ideas when it comes to swaying voters especially with how baked in anti establishment sentiment is now they’d have an immediate leg up on the old guard.
elpablo21
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As grim as it sounds at some point these people will retire or die. (RIP Feinstein) so younger progressives need to be backed in races m. You also have to remember this country continues to show us they aren't as progressive as they like to tout itself to be at times. AOC has been trending better nationally I think but she probably couldn't even win a Statewide NY race and by no fault of her own other than people are set in their old archaic ways
We already see a split and a war of ideologies when there are primaries. I'm not sure a new party makes any real difference than maybe when the general election happens dems and progressives just make it easier for the republican candidate to pass an even lower bar for votes, especially if the centrist or progressive has the leverage you're gonna end up with some protest voting to tank each other.
Like I said I get it and it sucks I don't know what the answer is but I'll keep backing progressives in the party for now but not sit out because Gerry Connolly got backed either. Idk man it's tough sledding for sure
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I definitely agree the country isn’t as progressive as we think but I do think the country can be swayed on simple progressive messaging. The wealthy establishment are the problem, I’m different, we will fix it seems like that’s all it takes for some people they just wanna feel like they part of something different more than being principled progressives. That’s mostly what I’m basing the idea on where I could see a scenario where a new progressive party could win more votes despite the electorate not being progressive cause people wanna vibe and feel different and they’d be willing to say things that speak to that the dem establishment isn’t. I don’t want it to be easier for republicans to win I’ve just lost faith the dem establishment really cares about that as much as I do and others.
aepps20
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My issue with the Dems is that our coalition is just so diverse (this is a good thing) that it is often difficult to pinpoint exactly what we need to do in order to move forward. This country isn’t as progressive as we’d like and for every progressive space like we have in NT you have two more Centrist spaces saying progressive policies and defund da police are why we lost. In my view we need #SMASHMOUTHPOLITICS and politicians that support that initiative. #SMASHMOUTHPOLITICS is what I’ve been advocating since 2016 and it’s less about policy differences between centrists and progressives and it is all about how we fight Republicans and that is with aggressive messaging, bold proclamations online and in policy and when they go low we go subterranean. AOC, Hakeem Da Dream, Jasmine and others represent this style. One thing I will say is that many that are #SMASHMOUTHPOLITICS aren’t always in the limelight so I’m willing to give Connelly a chance.
One thing I will also say is that I understand folks wanting to change up leadership and I believe in many respects it’s warranted but at the house and senate levels your leaders not only need to get and keep people in line and implement #SMASHMOUTHPOLITICS buy they have to be able to fundraise. Make no mistake, Republicans rode the Trump wave to power but if he weren’t on the top of the ticket they would’ve lost. Their leadership is terrible at raising money which is why many were angry when Kev Mack was removed since he and Turtle are their best fundraisers.
One thing I will also say is that I understand folks wanting to change up leadership and I believe in many respects it’s warranted but at the house and senate levels your leaders not only need to get and keep people in line and implement #SMASHMOUTHPOLITICS buy they have to be able to fundraise. Make no mistake, Republicans rode the Trump wave to power but if he weren’t on the top of the ticket they would’ve lost. Their leadership is terrible at raising money which is why many were angry when Kev Mack was removed since he and Turtle are their best fundraisers.
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again this is less left vs center and more old vs young.
For better or worse the democratic house tends to operate on seniority.
The benefit is more experience leadership tends to be better at legislating. Downside is you lose talented up and comers.
This is why talented young politicians don't stay in the house, nowhere to go unless you stick around for 15 years,
For better or worse the democratic house tends to operate on seniority.
The benefit is more experience leadership tends to be better at legislating. Downside is you lose talented up and comers.
This is why talented young politicians don't stay in the house, nowhere to go unless you stick around for 15 years,
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Doesn't this just lead you back to the disaster 2019 primary?
a bunch of Democrats boldly proclaiming aggressive policies without regard to popularity of said policies?
Decriminalizing border crossings.
transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants
eliminating private insurance.
ect ect,
I just don't think you can escape the policy fight that has to happen within the democratic party.
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The AOC thing is extremely minor. It is a innocuous progressive vs centrist, old vs young, battle that happens all the time. Except now parts of the internet, fueled by insider Washington journalist, decided it is a consequential because the election went poorly.
People should probably not get too worked up about it
Everyone involved in the left needs to do some hard thinking about how the factions they belong to hurt the short term and long term electoral and political viability of the Democratic Party, and in turn hurt the Party's chances to help people in need.
During my downtime I have been reading, research and talking with all the people I know working on the party. However, better data and analysis are still month away.
Progressives, liberals, back line centrist, front like centrist, older party leaders, younger progressives, special interest groups, and pundits all need to do some hard thinking, and seriously grapple with criticisms they are receiving from other part of the party.
Running to your corner and thinking everything confirms your priors helps no one and is not serious behavior.
There will be consequential power struggles and ideological battles that will happen within the next four years.
This isn't really one of them
People should probably not get too worked up about it
Everyone involved in the left needs to do some hard thinking about how the factions they belong to hurt the short term and long term electoral and political viability of the Democratic Party, and in turn hurt the Party's chances to help people in need.
During my downtime I have been reading, research and talking with all the people I know working on the party. However, better data and analysis are still month away.
Progressives, liberals, back line centrist, front like centrist, older party leaders, younger progressives, special interest groups, and pundits all need to do some hard thinking, and seriously grapple with criticisms they are receiving from other part of the party.
Running to your corner and thinking everything confirms your priors helps no one and is not serious behavior.
There will be consequential power struggles and ideological battles that will happen within the next four years.
This isn't really one of them
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- Apr 30, 2010
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Folks need to hunker down, focus and not allow nazis to try and take control of the world again under the guise of economics.
