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IMO, I think it opens up more jobs for govt. contracting, but the pay is going to be worse for the employees.
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Yup it’ll be saturated especially with the hiring freeze so they’ll be lowballing.
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The human liver performs over 500 vital functions and no one can even name 20 of them
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Think of the judge in Florida, they’ll essentially openly admitted the want loyalists in all phases of government
Beruseruku Desu
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Are you arguing that the federal government isn’t over bloated and inefficient?
Do you have any experience working in the federal space?
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Respectfully, I don't think your examples justifies the entire federal government being over-bloated and inefficient.
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The actual size of the federal government hasn't grown in decades. While spending and population has a ton. So the federal government, measured by workers relative to population, might be at at the smallest it has ever been in modern times
The federal government outsources a ton of its work to private companies and non profits that charge a premium over what it would cost to do in house. Elon makes a killing off of government contracts. Tons of contracts go all over the place.
Musk and Ramaswamy, meet the real deep state
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will soon learn that dissolving the deep state is more complex than it might seem.
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If someone once to make the argument that parts of the government are inefficient and need to be reformed, then fine. That would take cut some things and moving responsibilities around.
But that would take research to dig into, find, and come up with reforms. Trump and Elon and doing none of this. Clinton tried his own version of DOGE, this is not a new concept. (Just that Clinton wasn't a corrupt fascist tryna grab power.)
But on aggregate, it seems to make the government more cost efficient it would probably take increasing not decreasing the workforce.
Like a bigger IRS would be much more productive and make the government money because taxes are under collected in America by a ton.
But Trump and Elon aren't doing that. They want to install loyalist, transfer government work to private companies, and scare off future workers.
Sorry. But your experience doesn't mean much to me (kinda skeptical you are telling the truth too). Even if it did mean something, it would not enough to support the right wing talking points you are peddling.
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Some real "they won't come for me" energy.
Also obvious he's getting his news from a certain pocket of the internet.
Also obvious he's getting his news from a certain pocket of the internet.
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Beruseruku Desu
who did you vote for?
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Again, if you ain’t a straight white male with legit money
You gotta know they’ll inevitably get around to you.. history is history with these people
cubanref
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I don't know who he voted for but I know that he's very happy that trump "saved" tiktok...
mplsdunk
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If I worked at the post office I’d be like 
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Outside of Politics, from his posting in the Fools Wildin Thread I could tell dude iss addicted to TikTok.
So he might just be happy he can get his fix. I know a ton of people like that.
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Entice people to quitIf I worked at the post office I’d be like
Don't rehire
Let dysfunction settle in
Say "look we have to make it private now"
Beruseruku Desu
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The actual size of the federal government hasn't grown in decades. While spending and population has a ton. So the federal government, measured by workers relative to population, might be at at the smallest it has ever been in modern times
The federal government outsources a ton of its work to private companies and non profits that charge a premium over what it would cost to do in house. Elon makes a killing off of government contracts. Tons of contracts go all over the place.
Musk and Ramaswamy, meet the real deep state
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will soon learn that dissolving the deep state is more complex than it might seem.
If someone once to make the argument that parts of the government are inefficient and need to be reformed, then fine. That would take cut some things and moving responsibilities around.
But that would take research to dig into, find, and come up with reforms. Trump and Elon and doing none of this. Clinton tried his own version of DOGE, this is not a new concept. (Just that Clinton wasn't a corrupt fascist tryna grab power.)
But on aggregate, it seems to make the government more cost efficient it would probably take increasing not decreasing the workforce.
Like a bigger IRS would be much more productive and make the government money because taxes are under collected in America by a ton.
But Trump and Elon aren't doing that. They want to install loyalist, transfer government work to private companies, and scare off future workers.
Sorry. But your experience doesn't mean much to me (kinda skeptical you are telling the truth too). Even if it did mean something, it would not enough to support the right wing talking points you are peddling.
First, using a headcount for government growth as the only way variable for determining growth is just plain wrong. I expect someone like you to know better. You’re taking something much more complex and simply saying there is only one variable of “proof” on whether the government has grown or not. Federal spending and regulatory growth also have to be considered when determining growth in the work force.
Federal spending has skyrocketed but you should already know that.
The federal register has grown by over 70k+ pages since 1960. This means the federal government is even bigger than it ever was.
Only using headcount isn’t an accurate measure of federal growth. Spending, regulations, and inefficiency is.
Second, outsourcing proves government inefficiency, not efficiency. If the federal government wasn’t so inefficient, they wouldn’t have to pay contractors at a premium. This is further proof that the government is absolutely terrible at managing resources. When there’s people in the federal government working desk jobs and they don’t know how to open up internet explorer, that’s a problem.
When SpaceX can launch a rocket better and cheaper than NASA, that’s a problem.
When NASA relies on Boeing for everything, that’s a problem.
Third, hiring more feds doesn’t mean more efficiency. Thinking a bigger IRS is “more productive” ignores the real issue of complex tax laws, not workforce size. Having a simpler tax code would improve IRS efficiency without having to hire more workers. So using something as complex as taxes and saying every agency is just as complex is just wrong and you know it. Also, who’s the say the IRS is working efficiently and managing resources efficiently right now?
Instead of arguing about actual government efficiency, you wanna use the political argument to try to argue your points, which further proves that your whole reasoning is just based off of politics rather than actual data. You don’t have to be a Trump or musk support to know that the federal government has been inefficient for way too long now.
Unless you actually worked for the feds, you don’t really know what goes on in there so I don’t expect you to know what I know because you haven’t seen what I seen.
And I didn’t vote for anyone fyi. My state swung blue.
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elpablo21
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She stated the obvious, so you could be reminded at a later time.
Ya didn't listen.
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mplsdunk
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That’s what they’ve been trying to do, plus negotiations aren’t happening, their union is *** and they work a million hours.
They are intentionally trying to kill it. I’d have to jump ship if I worked for them.
The service to access Medicaid is down which has been confirmed by multiple sources across multiple states. The White House says it isn't down. I know who I believe.
No not gone for good but just inaccessible right now.
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Wonder why tik tok videos aren't playing.
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This is dumb...
The government uses outsourcing because they don't want to maintain a workforce after the projects they are funding are completed. This is a consequence of following a policy in favor of minimizing the civil servant workforce; outsourcing isn't a consequence of inefficiency.
In addition, because private entities HAVE to follow government processes, inefficiencies linked to those processes are transferred from the government to private entities.
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superblytrife
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Buyout doesn’t apply to USPS. We’re technically not “federal” employees, which in this scenario is a good thing.
