***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Mark Antony]

Those fools will ban abortion with the argument they are trying to protect life.

But won't even support universal background checks after little kids get massacred in schools

Hypocritical scumbags. That's all they are.

Not only will they not support it, they'll publicly mock the survivors ie Fox News, **** even the victims in the case of a police shooting. How dare you even claim to care about life at that point?

 

[dwalk31]

dwalk31
The reality is that humans go through different stages in their lives during which they are given certain rights and duties, and during which certain rights and duties are taken away.

Children can't drive; they can't work; they can't consent to sex; they can't drink alcohol, until they reach certain levels of maturity. They can't be held legally responsible for certain misdeeds if they are young enough. The same should go before people are born. At 6 weeks, it is way too early to call an embryo a full person; it doesn't even have a brain or a sex! How can its rights (yes, ITS) supersede that of the mother, its host on which it is totally dependent? Do you call a larvae a butterfly? Do you call a caterpillar a butterfly? Is the egg from which the larvae and the caterpillar come called a butterfly? Nope.

Nobody cracks an egg and expects to find a pair of drumsticks and wings in it. Why should we treat an unshaped amalgam of cells the same as a fully formed fetus?

It's too easy to care about the invisible. It is harder to defend those children who throw themselves at bullets inside of classrooms with the same fervor. It is harder to wave your finger at the merchants of death who are all too happy to scare you into buying their latest tools for murder.

I do think that children have the right to not be killed at all ages whether they have the right to drive, work, or consent to sex. At 6 weeks there is a heartbeat, and I personally think that there is a right to live at that point as well. I have stated I support exceptions for rape, incest, and health concerns. It appears you disagree, and I am okay agreeing to disagree.

I care about the babies, and I care about the children who throw themselves at bullets inside of classrooms with the same fervor. Caring about both issues is not mutually exclusive. We have to change the hearts and minds of people who wish to cause death to others. I don't know the solution. Murder is illegal. If murder was legal, I would be the first calling to criminalize it. So it is incorrect to suggest that people support children dying in classrooms. The issue turns on how do we prevent people wanting to murder each other. I've mentioned mental health, but I don't know the solution.

 

[dwalk31]

You need to pick yourself up by the bootstraps and go get that rental property on your own.

I am sick and tired of people like you sitting on their *** and demanding assistance.

How about you start practicing some self reliance, stop asking for a handouts, and stop acting like a lazy bum.

#StopWelfareSeals

I am not sure you understand the issues I outlined as it relates to rental property. Financial assistance is not the issue. The issue is the ability to rent out properties that the condo association requires to be owner-occupied. Many older owners (typically white) can rent out the units as they are grandfathered into a different policy. Perhaps that was unclear if you thought that it was about seeking funding.

But, to respond to the spirit of your post, I do support government assistance for job creators and innovators. I do not think welfare should be eliminated. But I do think that there needs to be reform to help change the cycle for many minority families of color.

 

[boris]

"Most people will vote for whoever can give them a handout" -Someone wealthy I know.

Still true be it social programs farming benefits, rental property assistance or corporate tax benefits. Some just refuse to see it as welfare for whatever reason.

I've heard the same thing from every conservative I've met.

I've also heard them all suggest something along the lines of lowering taxes while pushing for private donations.

It seems to me that the main goal is lowering taxes while still appearing to care about the less fortunate.

 

[aepps20]

also also troll: *insert quote from nick cannon in drumline*

Also also also aLso troll: deny supporting rapists and pedos while supporting rapists and pedos.

 

[gry60]

 

[gry60]

Murder is illegal

All of it, or some of it? Like, is it illegal to premeditatively kill a cow to feed oneself? How about plants? Is killing plants even illegal? The death penalty is still legal in the US; is it not murder?

Can the pro-life movement respect the sanctity of ALL life, from bacteria to complex macroorganisms? How well can they survive on just water?

 

[Belgium]

 

[gry60]

 

[KHUFU]

Lawyers are forced to be literal. They cannot be any other way. Any interpretation outside of what the law actually states, can lead to being a bad lawyer. That said lawyers must practice being good liars. Even if they do not believe in the chit they are saying, they have to act like they believe it. Lawyers have horrible personal lives and horrible relationships because of that fact.

 

[Mark Antony]

I've heard the same thing from every conservative I've met.

I've also heard them all suggest something along the lines of lowering taxes while pushing for private donations.

It seems to me that the main goal is lowering taxes while still appearing to care about the less fortunate.

Hence their version of a handout. Not sure if dude included himself when he said it, but it 100% applies to the wealthy as well.

 

[whywesteppin]

one thing to add -- the fetus is completely dependent on the mother for survival. and places a small but not insignificant mortality risk on the mother.

 

[Deleted member 42060]

just my 2¢, not having researched this or anything,

this absurdity that passed in Alabama over abortion.

if a crime is committed before unlawful conception, how can this bill even be thought of and then passed? smh.

 

[QU!K]

They gonna impeach Trump or nah?

 

[blastercombo]

one thing to add -- the fetus is completely dependent on the mother for survival. and places a small but not insignificant mortality risk on the mother.

So it’s taking a hand out?? It’s confirmed, fetus’ are socialists thus should not be allowed assistance

 

[Belgium]

McGahn confirms he will not disregard the WH's order to refuse to testify, at least not any time soon.

 

[dwalk31]

All of it, or some of it? Like, is it illegal to premeditatively kill a cow to feed oneself? How about plants? Is killing plants even illegal? The death penalty is still legal in the US; is it not murder?

Can the pro-life movement respect the sanctity of ALL life, from bacteria to complex macroorganisms? How well can they survive on just water?

You are conflating issues. My response was in regards to the murder of other humans. And no, it is not always illegal, and I also am not supporting a complete ban on abortions. Generally murder, of people, is illegal in the US. Obviously there are times when the law deems it justified. As with abortion, I support certain exceptions to the general.

 

[noskey]

This... this is obstruction... is it not?

 

[whywesteppin]

So it’s taking a hand out?? It’s confirmed, fetus’ are socialists thus should not be allowed assistance

The fetus is the prototypical libbie, full of hyperbole, innuendo, and meconium. The placenta is their safety net, the mother is the hard-working worker who pulled himself up by the bootstraps, and the blood and nutrients the fetus is stealing is taxation.

We need to send the fetus back to whatever hellhole country it came from. America First.

 

[blastercombo]

This... this is obstruction... is it not?

What’s his intentions? Do you know him personally?

 

[blastercombo]

The fetus is the prototypical libbie, full of hyperbole, innuendo, and meconium. The placenta is their safety net, the mother is the hard-working worker who pulled himself up by the bootstraps, and the blood and nutrients the fetus is stealing is taxation.

We need to send the fetus back to whatever hellhole country it came from. America First.

The only thing more gross than human birth is socialist policy. Yuck yuck yuck

 

[Belgium]

The March 2019 Cohen transcript references an email from Robert Costello telling Cohen that Giuliani was thankful for "opening this back channel of communication."
Costello is described as a longtime friend of Giuliani.

 

[Belgium]

"Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places"
- Giuliani's self-described backchannel to Cohen

 

[whywesteppin]

The only thing more gross than human birth is socialist policy. Yuck yuck yuck

Agrreeeed, comrade.

If you have a heartbeat, you can get a job. These freeloading 6-week-old fetuses should all be removed from the stomach of the mother and forced to survive on their own.

My first shift in the Coal Mine as a 6-week fetus was not easy, but then again nothing worth having in life is. This new generation of fetuses is SOOOO entitled, it makes me SICK.

 

[IATT]