***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[tonytobacco]

Victim act, right on cue.

Dude you are a garden variety delusional right wing Trump supporter that spews Clinton hate, conspiracy theories, and racial ignorance.

Here is documentation of Trump's racism...
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

How about you try to disabuse yourself of all that ignorance your are harboring and spare us more buffoonery..

Your handle on here is quite ironic given whats going on right now and your stance on things. The rusty shackleford on youtube is on the cutting edge the one on niketalk is in the dark ages

Like i said, im not here to convince anyone anything, youll see regardless. Im just amazed there are still people on that hill youre so proudly standing on

Its over bro. The sooner you admit you were wrong and that these people lied to you the easier it will be.

Youre sounding to me like youd be pissed off if there was somehow proof that trump was indeed not racist. Like you have some sort of vested interest in the deep state continuing their reign on us. Whats your problem?

 

[iamdef]

I also love when people call their facts "facts" and "the truth" instead of providing proof

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Lock her up brehs

 

[RustyShackleford]

Your handle on here is quite ironic given whats going on right now and your stance on things. The rusty shackleford on youtube is on the cutting edge the one on niketalk is in the dark ages

Me and some random dude on YouTube are both King of the Hill fans. It must be some deep state conspiracy.

Go educated yourself on Trump's racist and miss me with your whining.

 

[aepps20]

First off you dont know me. Second, point out where in that quote of mine you posted i was wrong. Third, im not defending racists im asking for any real proof of trumps racism that we hear so much about...from the mouths of those who arent in the best interests of the president anymore.

Instead what you do is try to demonize me with exaggerations and labels when all ive ever spoken on here is 100% truth from a place thats coming from right down the center of logic and reasoning. I dont get influenced by anything but actions. Seems like words are your vice. Thus your apparent confusion.

Don't waste your time on these Libs in here. Rusty has been lost.

 

[dwalk31]

I was not my intent to suggest Trump said that (he used what I described as a derivative) but I see now that it looked that way. I used quotation marks to emphasize what I view to be the genesis of the "go back to ..." type of racist remarks.


Is "inexperience" a valid defense in incidents where telling someone of color to "go back to where you came from" constitutes a violation of the law?

No.

But inexperience (ignorance of the history of the racial trope) is an alternative explanation to someone making the exact statements being labeled a racist. I am consistent in that I feel the same way about Representative Ohmar's statements. Both seem steeped in inexperience as opposed to both of the individuals being racists.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

To fight the deep state you must become the deep state

 

[tonytobacco]

Remember what kanye tried to tell people before they reprogrammed him?

Clearly you chose to remember the narrative the deep state spun out of it. HOw dare he speak the truth. Everyone look at the crazy man. Yawn.

How many times yall gonna fall for the same thing?

 

[dwalk31]

I get the point she is making, and I agree with it generally, but I wish she would articulate her point better. Do not have a problem with what she is pointing out the issue but I feel issues like these need a more thorough and insightful answer.

Maybe it is the editing that makes it come off so sloppy.

Would you venture to say the issue is inexperience? That's what I think.

 

[tonytobacco]

To fight the deep state you must become the deep state

memes. Ok.

 

[iamdef]

No.

But inexperience (ignorance of the history of the racial trope) is an alternative explanation to someone making the exact statements being labeled a racist. I am consistent in that I feel the same way about Representative Ohmar's statements. Both seem steeped in inexperience as opposed to both of the individuals being racists.

Can somebody be racist and not know it?

 

[dwalk31]

If you did the inexperienced things he does at your place of work, you would be fired.

Oh absolutely. In fact, I likely would not be hired in the first place. But the American people hired him (so to speak) with full knowledge of his inexperience and outlandish statements.

 

[debso]

can we please stop the narrative that ilhan omar is inexperienced and that's why she made the comments that she made?
can we stop pretending like reality isn't reality?

America is fake so it would come off a certain way when a person tells the truth. America is used to sugarcoating, scape goating and fake facts.
it is all about the benjamins. I wouldn't retract a thing.
Israel has and continues to oppress.
etc. etc.

Oh absolutely. In fact, I likely would not be hired in the first place. But the American people hired him (so to speak) with full knowledge of his inexperience and outlandish statements.

the electoral college hired him. get it right.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Remember what kanye tried to tell people before they reprogrammed him?

Clearly you chose to remember the narrative the deep state spun out of it. HOw dare he speak the truth. Everyone look at the crazy man. Yawn.

How many times yall gonna fall for the same thing?

 

[dwalk31]

Can somebody be racist and not know it?

I do not think someone can unknowingly be a racist. I think what you are describing is implicit bias. And, believe or not, most people have implicit biases.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

I get the point she is making, and I agree with it generally, but I wish she would articulate her point better. Do not have a problem with what she is pointing out the issue but I feel issues like these need a more thorough and insightful answer.

Maybe it is the editing that makes it come off so sloppy.

Maybe, but how long are we going to hold ourselves accountable for spoon-feeding ignorant people who aren't really even listening.

 

[dwalk31]

America is used to sugarcoating, scape goating and fake facts.

Which 2016 presidential candidate does this sound like?

You are showing how he won.

 

[tonytobacco]

Victim act, right on cue.

Dude you are a garden variety delusional right wing Trump supporter that spews Clinton hate, conspiracy theories, and racial ignorance.

Here is documentation of Trump's racism...
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

How about you try to disabuse yourself of all that ignorance your are harboring and spare us more buffoonery..

Also its ignorant af to assume im a hardcore right wing supporter. There you go with that label tactic they love to use. Disagree? Racist. Right wing. Bigot. Homophobe. YAWN.

I hate both george bushes as much as the clintons. I was around to witness what they did. Theres no halo effect and no love for what the republican party was before trump went in and wrecked their establishment. Now the deepstate only has control of the left. Only a fool still identifies with political parties at this point.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

memes. Ok.

When I see “deep state” I usually assume I have to speak in short phrases and photos to the person, I apologize

 

[debso]

I do not think someone can unknowingly be a racist. I think what you are describing is implicit bias. And, believe or not, most people have implicit biases.

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

defend the above.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Maybe, but how long are we going to hold ourselves accountable for spoon-feeding ignorant people who aren't really even listening.

It is not just about spoon feeding people who are not listening, it is about making a cogent point about a large demographic. A demographic that is still greatly represented in her coalition.

We should confront the issue of white nationalism and the radicalization of young white men. But we should not talk about them in the same sloppy manner Sam Harris speaks about Muslims.

I withhold final judgment until I see the full interview in context. But as much has I like Omar and generally agree with her, she does have a bad habit of being sloppy with her points. The sad part is that because who she is she never gets a fair about of criticism. What should warrant a mild objection turns into a mountain of hate toward her.

In fact I only ever critical of her on here. In the real world if she ever comes up in discussion I defend her fiercely because she provides a necessary prospective, and should have the freedom to openly state them. And she never gets that. Never

 

[elpablo21]

I don't know what is satire any more. The whole thread is a never ending mix between news feed and impromptu onion article.

Thread is turning into Inception

 

[iamdef]

"what he said was racist but he himself is not"

 

[leavemeglazzies]

defend the above.

This dude has lawsuits accusing him of racism dating back to only one decade after black people weren't allowed to take a piss in the same restroom as white people. Like they considered him racist enough to be taken to court by the racism standards of that time. Not to mention the many instances of racism he had since then.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

If you still arguing with folks about whether trump is racist, you lost

We got more important things to focus on

Like the Clinton foundation