***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[KHUFU]

And yet these clowns will claim Kaep is disrespectful to the country when they try to sully the name of a real hero.

Shut up and shoot people.

 

[IATT]

 

[mr s j king]

Here's a list of the law enforcement agencies that Trump can order to investigate wrongdoing by an American citizen:
Secret Service
FBI
CIA
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
National Guard
Coast Guard

Trump doesn't ask any of those agencies
Trump chooses the president of Ukraine

 

[aepps20]

Here's a list of the law enforcement agencies that Trump can order to investigate wrongdoing by an American citizen:
Secret Service
FBI
CIA
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
National Guard
Coast Guard

Trump doesn't ask any of those agencies
Trump chooses the president of Ukraine

Cue the gif of the thinking man. Zaddy and his goons probably think they are playing 4D chess with these moves.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[KHUFU]

The president needs a haircut.

 

[deleted]

Trump looks stressed and I love it

 

[rexanglorum]

This is quite the understatement, and you can't possibly handwaved putting aside the political process because the person you support is in power.




For this statement to be accurate, one would have to completely ignore the tribal dynamics that exist and that play an important role in the politics of many African countries. The civil war in Ivory Coast (2010?) had a xenophobic and tribalist component to it, mostly encompassed in the concept of "ivoirite," or who could be considered a true Ivoirian; in my own country, the political class draws most of its members from the president's ethnic group, which is not even the most populous, and secessionist groups in the North West and South West provinces largely identify with a single linguistic group, which has been largely ignored by the powers that be.
In an environment where most folks are the same skin color, in-groups and out-groups are determined differently; they don't just disappear.

Time to include BBC Africa in your listening regimen.

The machinations you describe in your last paragraph also happen in African economies that rely on extraction of raw materials. In fact, African countries have a history of leftist leaders who ended up overstaying their welcome. Just because one defends socialism doesn't give them carte blanche to usurp power.

Again, I'm comparing Latin America to Africa and I am doing so in the context of former colonies existing in a post colonial but still neocolonial, capitalist, imperialist and white supremacist world.

The elite institutions in Africa are much more likely to be racially representative, in the black and white dichotomy, compared to elite institutions in Latin America. You're right about the ethnic groups and certainly know more than me about that.

The main point is that Latin American countries tend to have a white elite still in charge and that white elite teams up with US power to subvert sustained attempts at economic equality between whites and non whites.

That still doesn't really excuse military intervention in civilian politics anywhere but the legalistic and procedural defenses of a coup are more plausible in Africa than they are in Latin America. In Latin America, every subversion of an elected and/or civilian government is an attempt to restore white power in a nation's politics.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Why would anyone would be willing to sign up for the military, and defend this country anymore?

Gotta get that draft popping.

Time to fire up those Military Career Centers in our neighborhoods.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Again, I'm comparing Latin America to Africa and I am doing so in the context of former colonies existing in a post colonial but still neocolonial, capitalist, imperialist and white supremacist world.

The elite institutions in Africa are much more likely to be racially representative, in the black and white dichotomy, compared to elite institutions in Latin America. You're right about the ethnic groups and certainly know more than me about that.

The main point is that Latin American countries tend to have a white elite still in charge and that white elite teams up with US power to subvert sustained attempts at economic equality between whites and non whites.

That still doesn't really excuse military intervention in civilian politics anywhere but the legalistic and procedural defenses of a coup are more plausible in Africa than they are in Latin America. In Latin America, every subversion of an elected and/or civilian government is an attempt to restore white power in a nation's politics.

So stealing elections are cool as long as someone is a socialist?

 

[elpablo21]

 

[elpablo21]

 

[boris]

I tried to keep up with what's been going on while on vacation. It seems that Team Trump continues to lie about everything, and the GOP continues to distract and deflect. It's also great to see everyone's favorite narcissist on NT dropping by to defend these deplorables.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[mr s j king]

Nunes remixed his TV ratings lyrics from last week and the Ambassador's calling the Trump/Guiliani scheme a drug deal

 

[rexanglorum]

So stealing elections are cool as long as someone is a socialist?

I know you won’t like this analogy but this discussion has strong vibes of the debate about inner city crime circa 1990. One side sees the whole picture of divestment and police brutality and the other side is just like “so you’re ok with people robbing liquor stores?”

Elections are not unimportant but elections are not the be all end all either. Socialists deserve more leeway because their countries face relentless pressure from Washington and London and Wall Street in a way that liberal, centrists and conservative lead states do not.

The other point is that for leftists control of the economy is more important than elections. For liberals elections are more important than whole controls the economy. Most people have to submit to living in an autocracy for 40-70 hours per week. Voters in most countries spend very little time casting a vote and usually the choice is between various pro capitalism candidates. That is not democracy. Democracy is controlling who polices your, community, democracy is controlling your work place, democracy is deciding how your nation resources will be used.

In Bolivia, what ever emerges from this action will cause the mass of people to have much less control over all those aforementioned things and there is no guarantee that this right wing interim government will even allow for fair elections.

One other thought, why wasn’t Evo’s replacement another left wing politician? Why is his replacement an out spoken white supremacist? If the issue was with Evo, why not replace him with someone with the same policy goals? It is awfully convenient for right wingers in Bolivia and for Industrialists in the global north to have Evo’s replacement being someone who wants to overturn his pro worker and pro indigenous policies.

 

[aepps20]

I know libs may not like this, but I'm on METH. South Dakota is only the start.

 

[fargin]

How bad is meth compared to stamp glue? I got a habit from writing Christmas cards last year.

 

[aepps20]

How bad is meth compared to stamp glue? I got a habit from writing Christmas cards last year.

About the same as liberal conjecture and innuendo.

 

[IATT]

 

[mr s j king]

How bad is meth compared to stamp glue? I got a habit from writing Christmas cards last year.

There's no federal funding for stamp glue addiction
But go ahead and make a promo video and we'll submit it to the higher ups

 

[Christian Pulisic]

Nunes meeting with aepps20 RustyShackleford and elpablo21

DAPPER

 

[aepps20]

Nunes meeting with aepps20 RustyShackleford and elpablo21

DAPPER

HANDSOME indeed comrade. My triple chin is very distinguished.