Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[sea manup]

its okay to make terrible sequels though

but prequels mess with the original movies that were great

 

[licensed to ball]

Damian Lewis hooked me onto Billions with that monologue about being a caddy in episode 2.
Great story, great acting

Hope the show doesn't get canceled because I'm really excited to see where it goes now

 

[IATT]

 

 

 

Suicide Squad is gonna be the movie of the summer

even with an August release. Cannot wait.

Why the laugh?

Cuz these are the movies coming out this summer:

Captain America: Civil War
X-Men: Apocalypse
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows
Warcraft (for the sake of argument lets assume it's possible every WoW fan goes to see it)
Independence Day: Resurgence
Ghostbusters
Star Trek Beyond
Suicide Squad

I'm sure I left a few out even if we exclude animated movies.

Then in Sept. The Magnificent Seven comes out.

I don't see how SS becomes the movie of the summer with that competition.

I see your point on WOW.. don't think ID or ghostbusters will be up there numbers wise.. and I pray TMNT isnt

really it's going be CW or AOA, more than likely CW (personally I wont be seeing AOA unless I hear amazing things.. singer is almost Michael bay status to me)

 

[lawdog1]

this new die hard movie represents everything that's wrong with prequels

prequels are almost always the worst idea ever 

I'm trying to think of some prequels that were actually good and I am indeed struggling. So far I got Temple of Doom. Wasn't as good as Raiders of the Lost Ark, but was decent and certainly didn't detract from Raiders in any way.

That's all I got right now.

 

[Master Zik]

this new die hard movie represents everything that's wrong with prequels

prequels are almost always the worst idea ever 

Now we hate prequels across the board

On the real I didn't think it was a good idea either but it's apart of what's dying in Hollywood. No attempts at a new action franchise lets dig up this one we won't stop making sequels for and since the star is getting older lets try to get as much money out of it by casting a young actor to play his early days

I know this is gonna fail cuz there is no young star that can helm this franchise. This for me is worse than trying to find actors to play a young Harrison Ford in roles he defined. There is no guy that can play a Bruce Willis character like that.

its okay to make terrible sequels though

but prequels mess with the original movies that were great

Not really. Even more so in this case cuz nothing in the prequel will really ruin the first three Die Hards in any way I can think of unless it's really bad and they try to connect a lot to those movies.

There's a right way to do prequels. It's just most of the time Hollywood uses them solely to make money so they never get the best director or writer to do it.

The main problem is always going to be finding young ppl to reprise the role that older actors have already defined but if you just do a story that just happened before not relying on characters that can work.

 

[sea manup]

especially diehard which is about a regular dude (who is a cop) who steps up and goes toe to toe with a criminal mastermind 

it would take away from that story if they show him being an action star before the events at nakatomi plaza

 

[sea manup]

i guess the GOAT prequel is probably godfather 2 

 

[Master Zik]

 

 

 

Suicide Squad is gonna be the movie of the summer even with an August release. Cannot wait.

Why the laugh?

Cuz these are the movies coming out this summer:


Captain America: Civil War

X-Men: Apocalypse
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows

Warcraft (for the sake of argument lets assume it's possible every WoW fan goes to see it)
Independence Day: Resurgence
Ghostbusters

Star Trek Beyond

Suicide Squad


I'm sure I left a few out even if we exclude animated movies.


Then in Sept. The Magnificent Seven comes out.


I don't see how SS becomes the movie of the summer with that competition.

I see your point on WOW.. don't think ID or ghostbusters will be up there numbers wise.. and I pray TMNT isnt

really it's going be CW or AOA, more than likely CW (personally I wont be seeing AOA unless I hear amazing things.. singer is almost Michael bay status to me)

I'm not gonna watch most of those either but I feel TMNT will get lots of kids to see it.

The ID trailer looked good. I think it'll surprise ppl the way Jurassic World surprised ppl (but now do the same crazy #s)

 

[lawdog1]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...44865/Top-10-film-prequels.html?frame=2254075

I think this list kind of proves sea manup's point. Phantom Menace cracked the top 10 prequels list . . .

And I guess they are, but I don't think about movies like X-men First Class and The Hobbit as prequels. To me they are different, independent franchises that just happen to be drawn from the same general source material. But I guess that makes them prequels.

And there are parts of Godfather II that take place both before and after the events of Godfather I, so its a hybrid.

 

[sea manup]

that's a very weak list 

the best movies (other than godfather 2 which is a hybrid) were all reboots

batman begins is not a prequel

casino royale is not a prequel

first class is a semi reboot and it doesnt have the prequel issue with messing up the timeline because they erase the og movies in DOFP

the worst parts of the hobbit movies were the super forced connections with the LOTR movies. should have just kept it as its own story.

phantom menace should not be on any top 10 list ever

 

[sea manup]

@CP1708

 

[CP1708]

Fast 8
Star Wars 8

2017


#TheYearOfCP

 

[Master Zik]

Yeah I don't get Begins being a prequel. It's a completely new start to a Batman trilogy.

Mentioning Star Wars is just dumb

First Class is an alternate timeline not a prequel. Just off the amount of errors you can bring up if it was in the same time line as X1-X3

I can't call it with the Bond movies. I thought it was all linear just based off the amount decades the movies span. Yeah the next could be set in the 50s or something but that'd just confuse me. Never saw the Exorcist. Dunno about the Hobbit

@ **** in Boots.

Anyway I guess:

Rise of the Planet of The Apes (Would count as a prequel. It was solid)
Prometheus
Red Dragon
The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly (prequel to A Fi****l of Dollars and A Few Dollars More)
Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom (set in 1935 before Raiders of the Lost Ark)
Godfather II (half of it really but it's a long movie so it's cool that it's a prequel and sequel)

After that I'd have to start googling lists for more movies but like I said Hollywood aims to make more money than actually make a great movie. Plus a lot of movies usually start with the origin so to speak anyway. Die Hard indicated John McClane had been through **** as a cop but nothing too crazy. Typical cop stuff so the prequel events can in no way be bigger than the first Die Hard movie and the following ones. They have to be smaller in scale.

 

[sea manup]

actually, i enjoyed monsters university 

 

[stuntman mike]

yeah the ending to the second ep of billions was fantastic.

 

[lawdog1]

Anyway I guess:

Rise of the Planet of The Apes (Would count as a prequel. It was solid)
Prometheus
Red Dragon
The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly (prequel to A Fi****l of Dollars and A Few Dollars More)
Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom (set in 1935 before Raiders of the Lost Ark)
Godfather II (half of it really but it's a long movie so it's cool that it's a prequel and sequel)

That's a good list. Way better than the one in that article.

Red Dragon the film only was a "prequel" because it was made and released after Silence of the Lambs. Thomas Harris wrote the Red Dragon book first and a film based on that book - Manhunter - came out before Silence of the Lambs.

I would consider Hannibal Rising, which I never saw, more of a true prequel in that series. Red Dragon is a good movie though.

and sea manup - I like Monsters University too. Probably in the bottom tier of Pixar movies with stuff like Cars and Cars 2, but still enjoyable. I'd add it to the "good prequels" list.

 

[Master Zik]

Yeah. I know dude wrote the books chronologically starting with Will Graham and then moving on to Clarice Starling but the movie that actually was good enough to get sequels started off with Silence.

I knew about Manhunter but that was so long ago and so different.

I guess Hannibal Rising would fit better as a prequel since the creator did have to write new stuff to craft some of Hannibal's origins.

 

[shogun]

Fi****l is censored? That's funny.

 

[lawdog1]

I personally prefer Manhunter to Red Dragon, notwithstanding how iconic Hopkins' Lecter is. Brian Cox does a fine job with the role in Manhunter. And I find Tom Noonan much creepier/scarier as Dollarhyde than Ralph Fiennes, though Fiennes performance in Red Dragon was good.

But I like Michael Mann's style of filmmaking a lot and I think that's why I like Manhunter better.

 

[noskey]

Hannibal Rising was ******* horrible.

 

[lawdog1]

Hannibal Rising was ******* horrible.

That's generally what I've heard, but I feel like someone on here actually liked it. @JapanAir21 was that you?

 

[Master Zik]

Fi****l is censored? That's funny.

I had to re-read my post and wonder why those group of letters are censored

Hannibal Rising was ******* horrible.

Yes. It was.

Never even finished it. Once I saw the guy playing young Hannibal didn't have that look Hopkins or Cox has let along Mads I knew l was in for struggle.

 

[licensed to ball]

Oh my gosh you guys and you're hyping up of Penny Dreadful.

Maybe it was the expectations that screwed me over, but you guys had be playing that first ep of the series thinking I was about to see something so special and so exciting, BRUH I almost fell asleep 20 mins in. Such a struggle to finish that first ep, I was so bored

Maybe I need to keep going, because I trust you guys... And I'm sure it has to get better. But man, i was @ the screen the whole time at how dull it was.

I watched the first 2 eps of Billions after and I got hooked on that instantly.

*sigh*

 

[Master Zik]

Well, we hype/praise the entire show. I'm not sure anybody saw ep 1 of Penny Dreadful and we all came back in droves like it's a must see.

Take the whole season in and tell us how you feel if you can make it through to the end. If you think it's just super boring by ep 3 and don't find any of what they're doing with these fictional monsters and myths interesting just stop.

With that said I'm vey interested to see what direction S3 goes in with the cast split up.

 

[noskey]

Fi****l is censored? That's funny.

I had to re-read my post and wonder why those group of letters are censored

I thought you wrote "fisting" for a second. Then I thought why would that be censored?