Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

Magic33 said:
Cole aka Cockroach



The labels get their cut, it's the artist that isn't. The labels negotiate deals with the satellite, radio and streaming services individually to make sure they get their money.
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What I'm saying is, if, by law, those services do not have to pay out on recordings before 1972 to the artists (writers, producers), then they very well may not have to pay out to the labels on recordings before 1972 either.

So the deals between the labels and those services would only apply to recordings after 1972.

At which point the only people who get over are the services.

Labels only pay out on the master side. It's the publishers that collect for the writers/producers.

So the services may not be paying either.
 
illphillip said:
What I'm saying is, if, by law, those services do not have to pay out on recordings before 1972 to the artists (writers, producers), then they very well may not have to pay out to the labels on recordings before 1972 either.

So the deals between the labels and those services would only apply to recordings after 1972.

At which point the only people who get over are the services.

Labels only pay out on the master side. It's the publishers that collect for the writers/producers.

So the services may not be paying either.
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Not sure what you're debating. That bill was for the artist specifically.

When have billion dollar companies not been protected or compensated?

They have all the negotiating power because they control the catalog of music.
 
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Magic33 said:
Not sure what you're debating. That bill was for the artist specifically.

When have billion dollar companies not been protected or compensated?

They have all the negotiating power because they control the catalog of music.
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Not debating. Providing perspective. Article said nothing about labels getting paid and artists being denied.

Just that the services are getting over. But you said something about labels getting over.

If the labels were getting paid, the artists would be as well because they'd be getting paid out on the master.

So they very well could be getting shafted on both the master side and the pub side.

Billion dollar companies don't get protected or compensated when laws prevent that from happening.

If you notice at the bottom of the article they mention that labels are still seeking to be compensated on airplay, which they are not. Only the writers/prodcuers are. That's paid out on the pub side and not the master.
 
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illphillip said:
Not debating. Providing perspective. Article said nothing about labels getting paid and artists being denied.

Just that the services are getting over. But you said something about labels getting over.

If the labels were getting paid, the artists would be as well because they'd be getting paid out on the master.

So they very well could be getting shafted on both the master side and the pub side.

Billion dollar companies don't get protected or compensated when laws prevent that from happening.
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They aren't

There is no perspective.

Billion dollar companies have lobbyist and their best interest are always thought of first. Do you think Spotify a company that isn't even making money has more power than Universal? Who needs who?

Do you realize how big Sony, Universal and Warner are, and their power extends way beyond music.

What a artist signs is different from what a label controls. Labels have never signed their rights away to music. You record under our umbrella and we put that music out, we own it. That part has never changed throughout history. The only thing that has ever been argued throughout time is artist compensation and their part in ownership.
 
Magic33 said:
They aren't

There is no perspective.
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You got it :lol:

Fact is, if the services were paying out on the master, the artist would be getting paid out as well based on their royalty rate for the exploitation of that master.

Artists are paid out on either master or pub. The publishing houses are part of those "billion dollar companies" and would be seeking equal protection.

Again, I am ONLY speaking about masters pre-dating 1972 per that article. It seems as if the services aren't paying out on either.

Shame the article didn't mention how much the labels were making from all of these services as opposed to the artists......

Assuming that labels are "protected" from everything because of "lobbyists" is just that. An assumption. That's why I noted the labels still fighting to be compensated on airplay when the artists (writers/producers on the pub side) actually are, and they are not.

As for "who needs who", that might not be as easy a question to answer as you seem to think it is.
 
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Nujabez said:
Same.

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