Russell Westbrook

[ag 47]

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47

Originally Posted by DubA169

Bynum gotta be one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He can hardly even get on the court.



they don't wanna trade him for melo. don't wanna trade him for Russ.

While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.



Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities

for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

Guess you forgot he played on one leg essentially in 09 against the Magic. He came back from injury earlier than he probably should and his defense was appreciated.

And how can you say he was a non-factor against Boston last year? Guess you forgot that in every game, the winner had the advantage in rebounds...guess Bynum had nothing to do with that too. Remember what happened the first time we played Boston without him? I'm sure people on this board would love to remind you.

 

[ag 47]

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47

Originally Posted by DubA169

Bynum gotta be one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He can hardly even get on the court.



they don't wanna trade him for melo. don't wanna trade him for Russ.

While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.



Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities

for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

Guess you forgot he played on one leg essentially in 09 against the Magic. He came back from injury earlier than he probably should and his defense was appreciated.

And how can you say he was a non-factor against Boston last year? Guess you forgot that in every game, the winner had the advantage in rebounds...guess Bynum had nothing to do with that too. Remember what happened the first time we played Boston without him? I'm sure people on this board would love to remind you.

 

[mr kuter]

Westbrook back at it tonight. Back to back bad plays, and a airballed 3. smh

 

[mr kuter]

Westbrook back at it tonight. Back to back bad plays, and a airballed 3. smh

 

[sohi 23]

Yeah but at the same time he got them back into the game with all those drives.

 

[sohi 23]

Yeah but at the same time he got them back into the game with all those drives.

 

[5am6oody72]

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47

Originally Posted by DubA169

Bynum gotta be one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He can hardly even get on the court.

they don't wanna trade him for melo. don't wanna trade him for Russ.

While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.

Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities
for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

You just presented two conditions and are acting like one directly caused the other, when in fact that's far from true. Just because Bynum was healthy and we got swept, as opposed to last year when he wasn't healthy the whole time and we won, doesn't mean him being healthy was a big part of why we got swept. In fact if he hadn't been healthy we wouldn't have even got out of the first round. You fail to mention that Pau's disappearing act, Kobe being a year older and not playing near as well, and our @!%* $$$ defense were the reason we got swept; Bynum was the lone bright spot for most of the series and if he had gotten more touches in a couple of those games we might have had a fighting chance. 
Anyways, despite all that I just said, there's no way in hell the Thunder would trade Westbrook, much less him AND Perkins for Bynum. That would be woefully lopsided. Even still, while I like Westbrook I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Lakers if he ballhogged like he's been doing recently. I know he's growing into the PG position and all that BS. but there's a difference between making a transition and learning how to be a PG and just being straight up selfish. There have been times in these playoffs where he's been downright Kobe-esque, if not worse, with his ballhogging. And he's a PG with the leading scorer in the league on his team; there's just no place for it. I know he's a good offensive player in his own right, but he has to pick and choose his spots better. Too many times it looks like he's coming down the floor with literally no intention of passing the ball or looking for his teammates AT ALL. I know Durant didn't have a great game tonight, but IMO playing with a PG who's playing like Westbrook is now would make it very hard to stay in rhythm on offense. 

 

[5am6oody72]

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47

Originally Posted by DubA169

Bynum gotta be one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He can hardly even get on the court.

they don't wanna trade him for melo. don't wanna trade him for Russ.

While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.

Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities
for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

You just presented two conditions and are acting like one directly caused the other, when in fact that's far from true. Just because Bynum was healthy and we got swept, as opposed to last year when he wasn't healthy the whole time and we won, doesn't mean him being healthy was a big part of why we got swept. In fact if he hadn't been healthy we wouldn't have even got out of the first round. You fail to mention that Pau's disappearing act, Kobe being a year older and not playing near as well, and our @!%* $$$ defense were the reason we got swept; Bynum was the lone bright spot for most of the series and if he had gotten more touches in a couple of those games we might have had a fighting chance. 
Anyways, despite all that I just said, there's no way in hell the Thunder would trade Westbrook, much less him AND Perkins for Bynum. That would be woefully lopsided. Even still, while I like Westbrook I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Lakers if he ballhogged like he's been doing recently. I know he's growing into the PG position and all that BS. but there's a difference between making a transition and learning how to be a PG and just being straight up selfish. There have been times in these playoffs where he's been downright Kobe-esque, if not worse, with his ballhogging. And he's a PG with the leading scorer in the league on his team; there's just no place for it. I know he's a good offensive player in his own right, but he has to pick and choose his spots better. Too many times it looks like he's coming down the floor with literally no intention of passing the ball or looking for his teammates AT ALL. I know Durant didn't have a great game tonight, but IMO playing with a PG who's playing like Westbrook is now would make it very hard to stay in rhythm on offense. 

 

[throwback1718]

westbrook cant and never will be able to catch a break.

 

[throwback1718]

westbrook cant and never will be able to catch a break.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47



While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.

Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities
for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

You just presented two conditions and are acting like one directly caused the other, when in fact that's far from true. Just because Bynum was healthy and we got swept, as opposed to last year when he wasn't healthy the whole time and we won, doesn't mean him being healthy was a big part of why we got swept. In fact if he hadn't been healthy we wouldn't have even got out of the first round. You fail to mention that Pau's disappearing act, Kobe being a year older and not playing near as well, and our @!%* $$$ defense were the reason we got swept; Bynum was the lone bright spot for most of the series and if he had gotten more touches in a couple of those games we might have had a fighting chance. 
Anyways, despite all that I just said, there's no way in hell the Thunder would trade Westbrook, much less him AND Perkins for Bynum. That would be woefully lopsided. Even still, while I like Westbrook I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Lakers if he ballhogged like he's been doing recently. I know he's growing into the PG position and all that BS. but there's a difference between making a transition and learning how to be a PG and just being straight up selfish. There have been times in these playoffs where he's been downright Kobe-esque, if not worse, with his ballhogging. And he's a PG with the leading scorer in the league on his team; there's just no place for it. I know he's a good offensive player in his own right, but he has to pick and choose his spots better. Too many times it looks like he's coming down the floor with literally no intention of passing the ball or looking for his teammates AT ALL. I know Durant didn't have a great game tonight, but IMO playing with a PG who's playing like Westbrook is now would make it very hard to stay in rhythm on offense. 

I think the problem has become that with OKC's matchups he knows he can dominate the opposing PG. Lawson/ Felton, Conley and a slow Jason Kidd have no business attempting to guard Westbrook at this stage of his career. He knows it, however he is prone to poor games because he doesnt have a great shooting stroke.
Comparatively speaking Durant has had tougher matchups that it has taken him a while to solve.
That being said he was pressing the entire 4th quarter and it just got bad when he made the game close.
He is the best player in this series, but he has not found the balance he needs for OKC to win.
He got KD some great attempts tonight that he just flat out missed.
KD got better when he put the ball on the floor, but the coaching staff does not like KD putting the ball on the floor against smaller players ala Jason Terry and Deshawn Stevenson.
Both he and Derrick Rose have got to learn how to better opperate off the ball to get shots, cause their teams need their scoring more than they need their playmaking sometimes.

  

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47



While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.

Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities
for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

You just presented two conditions and are acting like one directly caused the other, when in fact that's far from true. Just because Bynum was healthy and we got swept, as opposed to last year when he wasn't healthy the whole time and we won, doesn't mean him being healthy was a big part of why we got swept. In fact if he hadn't been healthy we wouldn't have even got out of the first round. You fail to mention that Pau's disappearing act, Kobe being a year older and not playing near as well, and our @!%* $$$ defense were the reason we got swept; Bynum was the lone bright spot for most of the series and if he had gotten more touches in a couple of those games we might have had a fighting chance. 
Anyways, despite all that I just said, there's no way in hell the Thunder would trade Westbrook, much less him AND Perkins for Bynum. That would be woefully lopsided. Even still, while I like Westbrook I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Lakers if he ballhogged like he's been doing recently. I know he's growing into the PG position and all that BS. but there's a difference between making a transition and learning how to be a PG and just being straight up selfish. There have been times in these playoffs where he's been downright Kobe-esque, if not worse, with his ballhogging. And he's a PG with the leading scorer in the league on his team; there's just no place for it. I know he's a good offensive player in his own right, but he has to pick and choose his spots better. Too many times it looks like he's coming down the floor with literally no intention of passing the ball or looking for his teammates AT ALL. I know Durant didn't have a great game tonight, but IMO playing with a PG who's playing like Westbrook is now would make it very hard to stay in rhythm on offense. 

I think the problem has become that with OKC's matchups he knows he can dominate the opposing PG. Lawson/ Felton, Conley and a slow Jason Kidd have no business attempting to guard Westbrook at this stage of his career. He knows it, however he is prone to poor games because he doesnt have a great shooting stroke.
Comparatively speaking Durant has had tougher matchups that it has taken him a while to solve.
That being said he was pressing the entire 4th quarter and it just got bad when he made the game close.
He is the best player in this series, but he has not found the balance he needs for OKC to win.
He got KD some great attempts tonight that he just flat out missed.
KD got better when he put the ball on the floor, but the coaching staff does not like KD putting the ball on the floor against smaller players ala Jason Terry and Deshawn Stevenson.
Both he and Derrick Rose have got to learn how to better opperate off the ball to get shots, cause their teams need their scoring more than they need their playmaking sometimes.

  

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by CP1708

The @#$%?  These bunch of 21-22 years olds have to win THIS year for people to chill on Russ? 

 

What the hell kind of logic is that?  Does that mean I get to start calling out Blake Griffin next year then if the Clips don't win it all?  Same thing ain't it? 

Jesus Christ, 22 years old and it's "must win" time.  Tough world we livin in nowadays, damn. 

It is what it is.

If there is someone better out there in his position (Chris Paul), people will throw out trade rumors. Even the Spurs considered trading Parker for Kidd after they beat the Nets in the Finals. No different than your dream for Howard to come to LA. Smh.

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by CP1708

The @#$%?  These bunch of 21-22 years olds have to win THIS year for people to chill on Russ? 

 

What the hell kind of logic is that?  Does that mean I get to start calling out Blake Griffin next year then if the Clips don't win it all?  Same thing ain't it? 

Jesus Christ, 22 years old and it's "must win" time.  Tough world we livin in nowadays, damn. 

It is what it is.

If there is someone better out there in his position (Chris Paul), people will throw out trade rumors. Even the Spurs considered trading Parker for Kidd after they beat the Nets in the Finals. No different than your dream for Howard to come to LA. Smh.

 

[Shanegerous]

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47



While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.

Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities
for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

You just presented two conditions and are acting like one directly caused the other, when in fact that's far from true. Just because Bynum was healthy and we got swept, as opposed to last year when he wasn't healthy the whole time and we won, doesn't mean him being healthy was a big part of why we got swept. In fact if he hadn't been healthy we wouldn't have even got out of the first round. You fail to mention that Pau's disappearing act, Kobe being a year older and not playing near as well, and our @!%* $$$ defense were the reason we got swept; Bynum was the lone bright spot for most of the series and if he had gotten more touches in a couple of those games we might have had a fighting chance. 
Anyways, despite all that I just said, there's no way in hell the Thunder would trade Westbrook, much less him AND Perkins for Bynum. That would be woefully lopsided. Even still, while I like Westbrook I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Lakers if he ballhogged like he's been doing recently. I know he's growing into the PG position and all that BS. but there's a difference between making a transition and learning how to be a PG and just being straight up selfish. There have been times in these playoffs where he's been downright Kobe-esque, if not worse, with his ballhogging. And he's a PG with the leading scorer in the league on his team; there's just no place for it. I know he's a good offensive player in his own right, but he has to pick and choose his spots better. Too many times it looks like he's coming down the floor with literally no intention of passing the ball or looking for his teammates AT ALL. I know Durant didn't have a great game tonight, but IMO playing with a PG who's playing like Westbrook is now would make it very hard to stay in rhythm on offense. 

Couldn't have said it better myself....preach

 

[Shanegerous]

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

Originally Posted by knightngale

Originally Posted by AG 47



While I agree Bynum is not better than Melo or Russell individually, what Andrew brings to our team is not even close if we had to trade him for one of those guys.

Rebounding and interior defense are as apart of winning a game as scoring is, which is essentially what Melo would give us. You might sacrifice those two qualities
for what Westbrook can bring. PG is one of our weaknesses, but is it more important than shot blocking and being a goon? I don't think so either.

uhhhhh

the years the lakers won the championship he missed most of the season and was really a non factor in the finals other than going for that rebound that led to perkins' injury

This year he was healthy and lakers got swept. Yes, he is overrated and injury prone.

You just presented two conditions and are acting like one directly caused the other, when in fact that's far from true. Just because Bynum was healthy and we got swept, as opposed to last year when he wasn't healthy the whole time and we won, doesn't mean him being healthy was a big part of why we got swept. In fact if he hadn't been healthy we wouldn't have even got out of the first round. You fail to mention that Pau's disappearing act, Kobe being a year older and not playing near as well, and our @!%* $$$ defense were the reason we got swept; Bynum was the lone bright spot for most of the series and if he had gotten more touches in a couple of those games we might have had a fighting chance. 
Anyways, despite all that I just said, there's no way in hell the Thunder would trade Westbrook, much less him AND Perkins for Bynum. That would be woefully lopsided. Even still, while I like Westbrook I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Lakers if he ballhogged like he's been doing recently. I know he's growing into the PG position and all that BS. but there's a difference between making a transition and learning how to be a PG and just being straight up selfish. There have been times in these playoffs where he's been downright Kobe-esque, if not worse, with his ballhogging. And he's a PG with the leading scorer in the league on his team; there's just no place for it. I know he's a good offensive player in his own right, but he has to pick and choose his spots better. Too many times it looks like he's coming down the floor with literally no intention of passing the ball or looking for his teammates AT ALL. I know Durant didn't have a great game tonight, but IMO playing with a PG who's playing like Westbrook is now would make it very hard to stay in rhythm on offense. 

Couldn't have said it better myself....preach

 

[651akathepaul]

The best of PG's have an uncanny feel of the game and play within the flow of the offense. Westbrook is still developing that. Dallas wins in 6.

OKC and Westbrook will be back.

 

[651akathepaul]

The best of PG's have an uncanny feel of the game and play within the flow of the offense. Westbrook is still developing that. Dallas wins in 6.

OKC and Westbrook will be back.

 

[mister friendly]

I didnt see why people hate on Westbrook. They're like he's not the number 1 option.....Says who? He's 22 years old, they shouldnt put a cap on good he can be especially when it doesnt seem like Durant is the supreme alpha closer. Let them compete

 

[mister friendly]

I didnt see why people hate on Westbrook. They're like he's not the number 1 option.....Says who? He's 22 years old, they shouldnt put a cap on good he can be especially when it doesnt seem like Durant is the supreme alpha closer. Let them compete

 

[651akathepaul]

^ Well, that just contradicts the "job" of a PG. Competing to be the best player on a team isn't, nor should it be, the primary focus for a PG when you have a teammate like Durant.

Closing doesn't necessarily mean best player 

 

[651akathepaul]

^ Well, that just contradicts the "job" of a PG. Competing to be the best player on a team isn't, nor should it be, the primary focus for a PG when you have a teammate like Durant.

Closing doesn't necessarily mean best player 

 

[i am that dude]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

^ Well, that just contradicts the "job" of a PG. Competing to be the best player on a team isn't, nor should it be, the primary focus for a PG when you have a teammate like Durant.

Closing doesn't necessarily mean best player 

 
Well when the "play" is get the ball to Durant after he comes off top using baseline pin downs, and he takes forever or fails to get open and after waiting for him, now it's only 6 seconds left on the shotclock, he really is left with no other option but to go 1 on 1.

Look at the 3 or 4 possession stretch of bad possessions after we had cut it to 6 and KD didn't see the ball. Yes those were early shots, but still each possession he was just in the corner chillin. Dude, you're not &#^$in Dacquan Cook or Kyle Korver where you just chill on the weakside and wait for a kickout, come get the ball! YOU are the primary offensive option.

There was also, again, many possessions where it's supposed to go to KD but he just stands there behind the 3pt line, half !%* posting his man up by standing in front of him with his hand out and you can't throw that pass because you know it will be deflected/stolen because he doesn't have the defender sealed.

Our best lineup is Russ, Harden, Cook, KD, Collison

I don't know why Scott Brooks played Perkins and Ibaka so much when they weren't contributing anything and took forever to finally go small which is when we got back in it. With the above lineup, the spacing is so much better because everybody is an offensive entity. It let Chandler and Marion go ham on the offensive glass, but you can look at that in film and address it. Russ to have 4 rebounds is unacceptable.

Like someone else said, rather than trade Westbrook (again unless you're getting Rose, Dwill, or CP3), I'd rather bring in a different coach. I'm still not sure what SB does other than manage minutes and give VERY GENERAL, primitive pep talks. We need some clever offensive sets, something to create easy, advantagous offensive opportunities and not just to rely on winning 2 of 5 matchups nightly. Like, what if we could get KD open shots instead of always still heavily contested shots and have to rely on him making them anyways?

Went off on a tangent there but again, I don't think Russ deserves all the blame he is getting. It's more to it than that

 

[i am that dude]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

^ Well, that just contradicts the "job" of a PG. Competing to be the best player on a team isn't, nor should it be, the primary focus for a PG when you have a teammate like Durant.

Closing doesn't necessarily mean best player 

 
Well when the "play" is get the ball to Durant after he comes off top using baseline pin downs, and he takes forever or fails to get open and after waiting for him, now it's only 6 seconds left on the shotclock, he really is left with no other option but to go 1 on 1.

Look at the 3 or 4 possession stretch of bad possessions after we had cut it to 6 and KD didn't see the ball. Yes those were early shots, but still each possession he was just in the corner chillin. Dude, you're not &#^$in Dacquan Cook or Kyle Korver where you just chill on the weakside and wait for a kickout, come get the ball! YOU are the primary offensive option.

There was also, again, many possessions where it's supposed to go to KD but he just stands there behind the 3pt line, half !%* posting his man up by standing in front of him with his hand out and you can't throw that pass because you know it will be deflected/stolen because he doesn't have the defender sealed.

Our best lineup is Russ, Harden, Cook, KD, Collison

I don't know why Scott Brooks played Perkins and Ibaka so much when they weren't contributing anything and took forever to finally go small which is when we got back in it. With the above lineup, the spacing is so much better because everybody is an offensive entity. It let Chandler and Marion go ham on the offensive glass, but you can look at that in film and address it. Russ to have 4 rebounds is unacceptable.

Like someone else said, rather than trade Westbrook (again unless you're getting Rose, Dwill, or CP3), I'd rather bring in a different coach. I'm still not sure what SB does other than manage minutes and give VERY GENERAL, primitive pep talks. We need some clever offensive sets, something to create easy, advantagous offensive opportunities and not just to rely on winning 2 of 5 matchups nightly. Like, what if we could get KD open shots instead of always still heavily contested shots and have to rely on him making them anyways?

Went off on a tangent there but again, I don't think Russ deserves all the blame he is getting. It's more to it than that

 

[luxurious24]

Westbrook is on a young team, he's young, at times he trys to do to much, but can you blame the guy for sometimes goin straight to the whole when he coming down court when he got jason not so young kidd on him, c'mon it aint that serious westbrook just trying to help his team win, durant needs to come off the perimeter so much and go inside where he always has a mismatch, that would open up there offense, mall ball movement, right now they playn too much one on one wall between harden, westbrook and durant.