Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

[RustyShackleford]

A TON to do with it.

Not to downplay mental health issues in America

But

A lot of people especially politicians and pundits that go on and on about mental health whenever there is a mass shooting ARE not only trying to not have the gun control debate, but also is trying to not have the poverty issue discussed as well.

 

[Comparison Ford]

*Inequality issue.

 

[doublemesh96]

People still haven’t learned I see

 

[blackfrankwhite]

Since we're talking about mental health....

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overturn-guns-mental-health-regulation-557237?amp=1

Remember Trump and the asshat Republicans (and some asshat Democrats) overturned a ruling by Obama that prohibited certain people with mental health issues from purchasing guns.

I'm by no means saying that law could of prevented this, but it's just proof of how we're moving backwards on the issue.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

So when IS the right time to talk about this? Please explain. I always hear Republican savages talking about "Let's not talk about this now, people just died", but when you bring it up at other times, it's "2nd Amendment, don't tread on me, say no to big government,etc."

Case in point

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Who in here said ban all guns?

This is what I’m still looking for.

 

[RustyShackleford]

*Inequality issue.

At the heart of it is a poverty issue.

Our inequality issue is not really the middle class breaking apart. It is the top getting so far away from the bottom.

Plus you could take all the income all wealth from the super rich, spend that money of the upper and middle-distance class, and that would make the inequality situation better, but little for the poor and we would still see a ton of the effects of systemic poverty.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

This is what I’m still looking for.

Multiple people have.

Pcf roadwhatever and Noble Cane did.

Like literally it’s right there

 

[yobyellav]

Why go a legal route when it's easy to make your own gun from an un tracked incomplete stripped lower?

Theres way too many undocumented weapons out there now

Mass shooters aren't making their own guns. Nothing can stop ALL future occurances, but eliminating the sell of assault weapons will reduce the likely hood of them coming into the possession of someone with ill intentions. If he couldn't get whatever he used to do this, maybe he still decides to shoot up the festival from his hotel; but he does it with a handgun. The loss of life and sustained injuries are reduced significantly. No law can stop crazy, but you can take preventive measures to reduce acts of violence and the casualties that stem from those acts.

 

[blackfrankwhite]

Multiple people have.

Pcf roadwhatever and Noble Cane did.

Like literally it’s right there

The point you're trying to make lends nothing to this discussion.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

The point you're trying to make lends nothing to this discussion.

Then ignore me and stop responding.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Multiple people have.

Pcf roadwhatever and Noble Cane did.

Like literally it’s right there

Fair enough.

My apologies. Just making sure I wasn’t perceived as saying that.

I definitely agree with the discussion on mental illness and poverty, as well as their correlation. It’s something I’ve been taking note of for a while. There are tons of things that go plain ignored to those impoverished and less fortunate people. I’ve seen it in my own family with my parents finally getting help for some issues they clearly had, but wasn’t able to focus on. My mother seems like a new person since starting therapy a couple of years ago. Think of all those people who are much worse than bipolar, who never even conceive to give whatever imbalance they may have the proper attention. Poverty effects every aspect of a persons life. It’s definitely a conversation they are trying to avoid.

 

[Comparison Ford]

At the heart of it is a poverty issue.

Our inequality issue is not really the middle class breaking apart. It is the top getting so far away from the bottom.

Plus you could take all the income all wealth from the super rich, spend that money of the upper and middle-distance class, and that would make the inequality situation better, but little for the poor and we would still see a ton of the effects of systemic poverty.

Again, though...it's not as much poverty as it is relative poverty. Geopolitical areas that have comparable levels of poverty among all members of its population tend to have lower rates of violence when compared to geopolitical areas where poverty levels vary greatly (I.E.: major urban areas of the United States). I'll post this again for emphasis:

But the argument regarding poverty/relative poverty/inequality only addresses the majority of gun violence in the United States. Mass shootings like this don't accurately represent the type of gun violence that is most prevalent in the United States, nor do they reflect the common motives. Sandy Hook, Aurora, Orlando, Charleston, Columbine, last night's, etc. ...none of those shootings had the underlying influence of poverty. We're dealing with two completely different beasts here; both of which need to stop being swept under the rug.

 

[InTheHallway]

I still go back to this fact - you either have guns or you don't ... There's no turning back at this point in America unless a natural disaster occurs that wipes out the majority of the population and weapons ... You can't press reset on the gun culture being in the fabric ...

So with that being said, what can we do? Make it harder to get weapons? This guy did everything right ... Cap purchases to 1 a month or 2 a year or something? We already do that for certain types ... Maybe expand it to all I don't know ...

 

[blackfrankwhite]

As predicted, all 3 gun manufacturers on the stock market saw their stocks rise after last nights tragedy.

And thus the vicious cycle of lobbying, deregulation, and mass shootings continue.

 

[DROMONTANA]

Ban weapons stop selling them do whatever you want... I'll get a chopper from the streets right now

Too many guns out here

 

[EddieDoyers]

Is it me or does it feel like a good amount of people are desensitized by these events as of late?

Like there be some dudes that be cracking jokes about this....smh

 

[Comparison Ford]

Is it me or does it feel like a good amount of people are desensitized by these events as of late?

Like there be some dudes that be cracking jokes about this....smh

Can't even say that it's been "as of late." I remember people cracking jokes immediately after Sandy Hook on this site.

Dudes trying too hard to get a cheap laugh isn't a new phenomenon, and unfortunately I don't think it's gonna get any better in the age of social media.

 

[DROMONTANA]

Is it me or does it feel like a good amount of people are desensitized by these events as of late?

Like there be some dudes that be cracking jokes about this....smh

It happens too often

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

The problem with a Utpoia (as I'm sure you're aware) is one man's heaven is the next man's hell. Some people don't want equal anything across the board because it makes them feel better knowing that they have access to things other people dream of. Basic things too. But I'll save that for another time.

you ain't the least bit wrong...somehow, we have to be a better species.

it's why I used the word "satisfied." there doesn't need to be candy-coated raindrops and a Gundam in every garage, but there's no reason why everybody shouldn't live in a building by default. there is no reason for anyone to starve. people should have clean water to drink, just off the strength of being human.

in my expert opinion as nobody in particular, it is essential to our continued survival that we solve the human equation.

figure out EXACTLY what would make the vast majority of us reasonably happy, figure out what to do with the rest of us, and move forward.

a couple sentences that could take the next 200 years, but there has to be a unified and dedicated effort at some point.

we have literally tried everything else.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Can't even say that it's been "as of late." I remember people cracking jokes immediately after Sandy Hook on this site.

Dudes trying too hard to get a cheap laugh isn't a new phenomenon, and unfortunately I don't think it's gonna get any better in the age of social media.

I guess. Makes me sad when people lack compassion in tragic events.

 

[hipstermike]

Mass shooters aren't making their own guns. Nothing can stop ALL future occurances, but eliminating the sell of assault weapons will reduce the likely hood of them coming into the possession of someone with ill intentions. If he couldn't get whatever he used to do this, maybe he still decides to shoot up the festival from his hotel; but he does it with a handgun. The loss of life and sustained injuries are reduced significantly. No law can stop crazy, but you can take preventive measures to reduce acts of violence and the casualties that stem from those acts.

My point is that the rules need to track more than what we do now.

the stripped lower being the only part that qualifies as a firearm is one step of many that needs to happen

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

I guess. Makes me sad when people lack compassion in tragic events.

I personally know a guy who posted something to the effect of "when tragedies happen, most people mourn, but I mostly look forward to the memes."

something really wrong with a person who can even form that thought in the mind, let alone actually believe it and share it in public.

 

[iamdef]

Who in here said ban all guns?

The overwhelming minority

I still go back to this fact - you either have guns or you don't ... There's no turning back at this point in America unless a natural disaster occurs that wipes out the majority of the population and weapons ... You can't press reset on the gun culture being in the fabric ...

So with that being said, what can we do? Make it harder to get weapons? This guy did everything right ... Cap purchases to 1 a month or 2 a year or something? We already do that for certain types ... Maybe expand it to all I don't know ...

Because there's so many guns already out we can only address the new guns to be sold and set a procedure on how guns "should" be sold privately.
It won't stop criminals from being criminals but maybe enough "responsible gun owners" can help uphold these laws and weed out these "lone wolves"

 

[RustyShackleford]

Again, though...it's not as much poverty as it is relative poverty. Geopolitical areas that have comparable levels of poverty among all members of its population tend to have lower rates of violence when compared to geopolitical areas where poverty levels vary greatly (I.E.: major urban areas of the United States). I'll post this again for emphasis:

But the argument regarding poverty/relative poverty/inequality only addresses the majority of gun violence in the United States. Mass shootings like this don't accurately represent the type of gun violence that is most prevalent in the United States, nor do they reflect the common motives. Sandy Hook, Aurora, Orlando, Charleston, Columbine, last night's, etc. ...none of those shootings had the underlying influence of poverty. We're dealing with two completely different beasts here; both of which need to stop being swept under the rug.

My comment about poverty was not to say or imply that it would stop mass shootings such as this. In fact I said in my first comment regarding whenever or not we as a country should pursue gun control should not be based on the assumption it would stop events like this. I have been measuring my comments.

You didn't say relative poverty under my comment. You said inequality. All I pointed out was that inequality was could be improved without helping the poor, and we would still have issues. It was not to if ignore the inequality issue it is to point out the unique nature of America's poverty problem, like dude in the video was doing, all was mainly talking about the shape of the distribution.

Using things like urban areas to argue that it is relative poverty introduces endogenous factors such as population density, and segregation.

Plus if you solve the poverty issue, the relative poverty issue would be attacked as well if the measure they are using is the gini coefficient.