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Soooo, has LeBron surpassed Kobe as the most hated? Vol. Dan Gilbert
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^ I'm pretty sure that Toronto was willing to do a S&T w/CLE for Bosh, but he didn't want to go there. The crux of most of the criticism that I've seen and heard on LeBron is that he went to another alpha dog's squad, when he's supposed to be the main man of the league. And some of the blame for not being able to get help has to fall on him as well, him leaving everything up in the air on whether he was going to stay with or leave the Cavs wasn't exactly enticing to players they could have picked up (ala Ariza and Artest). So Gibert for the most part did the best with what he had (except for the non JJ Hickson trade).
And I'm damn near fed up with ppl talking like they were some kind of JV squad, no team wins 60+ games back to back seasons and just is pure garbage outside of one player, just doesn't happen. This is why I don't understand why he chose Miami if he is THAT good and can lead all those so called bums to 60+ wins in consecutive seasons, why couldn't he do it with a vastly improved cast in Chicago or New Jersey or even a marginally improved one in New York? Why did he have to put a cap on his potential greatness and be regulated to the second fiddle in Miami?
And I'm damn near fed up with ppl talking like they were some kind of JV squad, no team wins 60+ games back to back seasons and just is pure garbage outside of one player, just doesn't happen. This is why I don't understand why he chose Miami if he is THAT good and can lead all those so called bums to 60+ wins in consecutive seasons, why couldn't he do it with a vastly improved cast in Chicago or New Jersey or even a marginally improved one in New York? Why did he have to put a cap on his potential greatness and be regulated to the second fiddle in Miami?
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^ I'm pretty sure that Toronto was willing to do a S&T w/CLE for Bosh, but he didn't want to go there. The crux of most of the criticism that I've seen and heard on LeBron is that he went to another alpha dog's squad, when he's supposed to be the main man of the league. And some of the blame for not being able to get help has to fall on him as well, him leaving everything up in the air on whether he was going to stay with or leave the Cavs wasn't exactly enticing to players they could have picked up (ala Ariza and Artest). So Gibert for the most part did the best with what he had (except for the non JJ Hickson trade).
And I'm damn near fed up with ppl talking like they were some kind of JV squad, no team wins 60+ games back to back seasons and just is pure garbage outside of one player, just doesn't happen. This is why I don't understand why he chose Miami if he is THAT good and can lead all those so called bums to 60+ wins in consecutive seasons, why couldn't he do it with a vastly improved cast in Chicago or New Jersey or even a marginally improved one in New York? Why did he have to put a cap on his potential greatness and be regulated to the second fiddle in Miami?
And I'm damn near fed up with ppl talking like they were some kind of JV squad, no team wins 60+ games back to back seasons and just is pure garbage outside of one player, just doesn't happen. This is why I don't understand why he chose Miami if he is THAT good and can lead all those so called bums to 60+ wins in consecutive seasons, why couldn't he do it with a vastly improved cast in Chicago or New Jersey or even a marginally improved one in New York? Why did he have to put a cap on his potential greatness and be regulated to the second fiddle in Miami?
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im from ny, the decision, i hated it and hated him for a day, but i can't hate im not a hater. its a good look for him. i wish they would of done that in ny but w.e. i never hated kobe. now i just feel sorry for lebron. he is not gonna get any better, which he needed to do to be even worthy of wearing the number 23. good thing he changed is number, he will never win another mvp. i pity lebron. no longer the king of anything
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im from ny, the decision, i hated it and hated him for a day, but i can't hate im not a hater. its a good look for him. i wish they would of done that in ny but w.e. i never hated kobe. now i just feel sorry for lebron. he is not gonna get any better, which he needed to do to be even worthy of wearing the number 23. good thing he changed is number, he will never win another mvp. i pity lebron. no longer the king of anything
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DoubleJs, are you just trying to play devils advocate or do you really not understand why people are pissed at his decision to join 2 other superstars on the same team and killing the competitive nature of the sport?
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically, lebron joined the lakers next season? i mean its still his RIGHT to go wherever he wants.
I think people would have been nowhere near as pissed (other than cleveland) if lebron joined nj, ny, or chicago.
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically, lebron joined the lakers next season? i mean its still his RIGHT to go wherever he wants.
I think people would have been nowhere near as pissed (other than cleveland) if lebron joined nj, ny, or chicago.
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DoubleJs, are you just trying to play devils advocate or do you really not understand why people are pissed at his decision to join 2 other superstars on the same team and killing the competitive nature of the sport?
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically, lebron joined the lakers next season? i mean its still his RIGHT to go wherever he wants.
I think people would have been nowhere near as pissed (other than cleveland) if lebron joined nj, ny, or chicago.
Would you feel the same way if hypothetically, lebron joined the lakers next season? i mean its still his RIGHT to go wherever he wants.
I think people would have been nowhere near as pissed (other than cleveland) if lebron joined nj, ny, or chicago.
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Hmmm....interesting. But there is something that both Chuck and Miller have in common. And on top of it all, Chuck was trying to end his career with a ring. Again....i'll go with Garnett's quote because there are no sour grapes attached.
Yeah, they are both legends. You can go with Garnett's quote all you want to champ, either way at the end of the day as far as basketball players go Miller/Barkley>Garnett, and you can take that to the bank champ.
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Hmmm....interesting. But there is something that both Chuck and Miller have in common. And on top of it all, Chuck was trying to end his career with a ring. Again....i'll go with Garnett's quote because there are no sour grapes attached.
Yeah, they are both legends. You can go with Garnett's quote all you want to champ, either way at the end of the day as far as basketball players go Miller/Barkley>Garnett, and you can take that to the bank champ.
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Give me a $!*!@*# break with this "competitive nature" BS...it's kill or be killed out there. This isn't the Y.
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Give me a $!*!@*# break with this "competitive nature" BS...it's kill or be killed out there. This isn't the Y.
Yeah I agree, this didn't do anything to the competitive balance of the league, the Lakers ain't scared, the Celtics aren't worried, the Raptors weren't doin anything anyways even if they brought back Bosh, the only two teams affected are the Cavs, and the Heat, that's it.
Yeah I agree, this didn't do anything to the competitive balance of the league, the Lakers ain't scared, the Celtics aren't worried, the Raptors weren't doin anything anyways even if they brought back Bosh, the only two teams affected are the Cavs, and the Heat, that's it.
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This is pretty funny....
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This is pretty funny....
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The competitive nature of the game isn't killed. You kidding me? They haven't even graced a COURT yet.
I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. The Heat haven't done anything yet.
Injuries, poor coaching, practice, bad bounces, luck, ego, chemistry all have a funny way of changing an outcome.
How come you think so many people get their hearts broken in Vegas? Simply because you can't predict this.
I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. The Heat haven't done anything yet.
Injuries, poor coaching, practice, bad bounces, luck, ego, chemistry all have a funny way of changing an outcome.
How come you think so many people get their hearts broken in Vegas? Simply because you can't predict this.
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The competitive nature of the game isn't killed. You kidding me? They haven't even graced a COURT yet.
I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. The Heat haven't done anything yet.
Injuries, poor coaching, practice, bad bounces, luck, ego, chemistry all have a funny way of changing an outcome.
How come you think so many people get their hearts broken in Vegas? Simply because you can't predict this.
I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. The Heat haven't done anything yet.
Injuries, poor coaching, practice, bad bounces, luck, ego, chemistry all have a funny way of changing an outcome.
How come you think so many people get their hearts broken in Vegas? Simply because you can't predict this.
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For those who claim Lebron is nothing more than a role player, will never be great, will never be an MVP, or any of that stuff... what happens if he averages, 24, 10, and 10 this season or next? Wins a few MVPs as the Heat get the best record and start collecting titles. Will you honestly stand there and say "none of it matters, because he was afraid and went to Wade's team, it doesn't matter.." Even if he hits a 10 game winners in the season and playoffs, if Wade has an off night and Bosh is shut down, and if he puts up 45, 15, and 12 during a Finals game.. will he still be a bum to you guys? Will NONE of it matter?
I understand and agree in part, that yes, how he's viewed and his legacy can/will be seen differently in this manner than if he stayed in Cleveland and won, but will you guys be that hard headed and angry towards the man, and try to discredit what he does... no matter what happens?
I guess I don't like dealing in absolutes, just now a week after the announcement... it's not my style to make bold statements that will take place in the next 10 years before we even see them on the court together. People on NT, fans, the media, they've already started on their criticism of his legacy before we see them even play... I just can't imagine the public and media for the next 10 years saying "It doesn't matter what he's done, he was afraid and a coward and that's that"
I understand and agree in part, that yes, how he's viewed and his legacy can/will be seen differently in this manner than if he stayed in Cleveland and won, but will you guys be that hard headed and angry towards the man, and try to discredit what he does... no matter what happens?
I guess I don't like dealing in absolutes, just now a week after the announcement... it's not my style to make bold statements that will take place in the next 10 years before we even see them on the court together. People on NT, fans, the media, they've already started on their criticism of his legacy before we see them even play... I just can't imagine the public and media for the next 10 years saying "It doesn't matter what he's done, he was afraid and a coward and that's that"
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For those who claim Lebron is nothing more than a role player, will never be great, will never be an MVP, or any of that stuff... what happens if he averages, 24, 10, and 10 this season or next? Wins a few MVPs as the Heat get the best record and start collecting titles. Will you honestly stand there and say "none of it matters, because he was afraid and went to Wade's team, it doesn't matter.." Even if he hits a 10 game winners in the season and playoffs, if Wade has an off night and Bosh is shut down, and if he puts up 45, 15, and 12 during a Finals game.. will he still be a bum to you guys? Will NONE of it matter?
I understand and agree in part, that yes, how he's viewed and his legacy can/will be seen differently in this manner than if he stayed in Cleveland and won, but will you guys be that hard headed and angry towards the man, and try to discredit what he does... no matter what happens?
I guess I don't like dealing in absolutes, just now a week after the announcement... it's not my style to make bold statements that will take place in the next 10 years before we even see them on the court together. People on NT, fans, the media, they've already started on their criticism of his legacy before we see them even play... I just can't imagine the public and media for the next 10 years saying "It doesn't matter what he's done, he was afraid and a coward and that's that"
I understand and agree in part, that yes, how he's viewed and his legacy can/will be seen differently in this manner than if he stayed in Cleveland and won, but will you guys be that hard headed and angry towards the man, and try to discredit what he does... no matter what happens?
I guess I don't like dealing in absolutes, just now a week after the announcement... it's not my style to make bold statements that will take place in the next 10 years before we even see them on the court together. People on NT, fans, the media, they've already started on their criticism of his legacy before we see them even play... I just can't imagine the public and media for the next 10 years saying "It doesn't matter what he's done, he was afraid and a coward and that's that"
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lebron basically said it was "too hard" in cleveland, and he had to "team up" with two other superstars. the dude is 25 years old, and when he is starting the prime of his career hes goes running to a super team?
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lebron basically said it was "too hard" in cleveland, and he had to "team up" with two other superstars. the dude is 25 years old, and when he is starting the prime of his career hes goes running to a super team?
i was a fan, not anymore
i was a fan, not anymore
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Originally Posted by orthotic
excuse me, but aint it supposed to be a TEAM game?
Defitnely is. But, LeBron isn't really the leader of this team. Just the most talented.
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Originally Posted by orthotic
excuse me, but aint it supposed to be a TEAM game?
Defitnely is. But, LeBron isn't really the leader of this team. Just the most talented.