Spike Lee's CHIRAQ trailer

[seymore cake]

Hold up Spike pulled the NYC >>> card when Chicagoans criticized this movie?! Son has really lost it.

If you know you can't say something that properly explains why you made the movie you better off being like those directors who are rarely seen and never heard.

Man, it's Nick Cannon, that's nowhere near believable, Kanye wouldn't be believable either. Some people, acting or not, u just can't see as a savage or vice versa.

Johnny Depp as an Irish mobster or the mad hatter?

Nick Cannon as a drummer or a rapper gang member?

Both out of there elements for the tougher roles but both have talent and can act

Did you seriously just compare Nick Cannon to Johnny Depp as actors? Seriously?





Depp was great in Black Mass. Cannon was great in what? Drumline? Drumline my *****?!

Spike Lee appeared on ABC’s Windy City Live this morning in Chicago to discuss his forthcoming film Chi-Raq. The interview was at times combative, with Lee making some statements that won’t win him any friends in the Chi.

When asked about those who had an issue with a New Yorker making a movie about Chicago, Spike went in.

“You know what that sounds like? That sounds like those redneck [censored] in the South, when Civil Rights people come down to Mississippi or Alabama…’These rabble rousers come down here, we know how treat our Negros good. We don’t need nobody from up there telling us how to work our Negros.’ Same type of mentality.”

He added, “And also, why hasn’t a Chicago filmmaker done a film, then?”

Lee mentioned being a tenured professor at NYU’s Film School and having students who made movies on their iPhone. So he basically told anyone with a problem to tell their own story. As for the film’s trailer, which got people (who usually don’t what a “satire” is) in a huff:

“I gotta say this, you might get mad. But a lot of people in Chicago [have] an inferiority complex about New York. One hundred.”

We definitely think Spike—who also said, “”When you deal with truth, it doesn’t matter where the person comes from”—would have a problem if Tyler Perry made a film about Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, though.

http://hiphopwired.com/2015/11/12/spike-lee-says-chicago-has-an-inferiority-complex/

You can't be from Chicago For you to reference that as a means of devaluing someone's opinion is disgusting.

I LIVE IN CHICAGO. I work with the very kids who navigate the neighborhoods/streets that are surrounded by this senselessness. Hell, a 9 yr old was murdered in an alley LITERALLY around the corner from where my 2 year old goes to day care a few weeks ago. The issue here is that he's making a satire film about a city's (my city) gun violence/murder rate. Little kids are dying here, mother's are burying their babies, families are being destroyed due to losing loved ones. You don't make a satire film about that. Yes I know it's a take on a Greek comedy, but that's the issue, there is nothing funny or slightly humorous about what's taking place here. So for him to use that as the basis for telling this story is more than disappointing, it's disrespectful to the families who have lost children to senseless acts of violence.

I've yet to come across anyone in my city who is happy with the way the movie is brought to life. **** going to see the movie, seeing the trailer was enough, let alone his responding to Chicagoans criticism of his film by saying we have an inferiority complex to NYC. That was pathetic. To simply disregard the very people whose story you're "attempting" to tell or use as your motivation is to make a mockery of them. Which is exactly how the people I've discussed this with feel.

Did you see the movie?

Sure didn't, neither do I intend to. But I did attend protest rally's regarding the murder of LaQuan McDonald with my students.

 

[wrightone86]

Satire =/= Comedy

Look, I'm not gonna sit here an assume you all who are opposed to this film don't know what satire is. However, it's interesting to me that people automatically assume that because you can laugh at some parts of it, that's means Spike Lee is trying to make light of a serious topic.

you sure?

Per Google's auto-define:

sat·ire

ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/

noun

1. 
   the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
   
   

   synonyms:

   mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature; More

   • 
     a play, novel, film, or other work that uses satire.
     
     plural noun: satires
     
     "a stinging satire on American politics"
     
     

     synonyms:

     parody, burlesque, caricature, lampoon, skit; More

   • 
     a genre of literature characterized by the use of satire.

Or per Merriam Webster:

 [h1]satire[/h1]
noun  sat·ire  \ˈsa-ˌtī(-ə)r\

: a way of using humor to show that someone or something is foolish, weak, bad, etc. : humor that shows the weaknesses or bad qualities of a person, government, society, etc.

: a book, movie, etc., that uses satire

Reminded me of something else Rhymefest said on there.....don't be fooled by labeling it a "satire"....it is just a fancy word for comedy and he doesn't appreciate someone making a comedy/mockery of something like this in his home town. 

 

[Magic33]

Hold up Spike pulled the NYC >>> card when Chicagoans criticized this movie?! Son has really lost it.

If you know you can't say something that properly explains why you made the movie you better off being like those directors who are rarely seen and never heard.
Did you seriously just compare Nick Cannon to Johnny Depp as actors? Seriously?





Depp was great in Black Mass. Cannon was great in what? Drumline? Drumline my *****?!

Considering all the careers Spike birthed, he suddenly doesn't know what good acting is or how to cast a movie?

and considering Angela Bassett, Sam Jackson, Jennifer Hudson and Wesley are in the movie?

See Nick in Bobby.

 

[Magic33]

you sure?



Reminded me of something else Rhymefest said on there.....don't be fooled by labeling it a "satire"....it is just a fancy word for comedy and he doesn't appreciate someone making a comedy/mockery of something like this in his home town. 

Did you see the movie?

 

[tr1ll]

The Nick Cannon hate is real.

 

[ravagebx]

Agree with everything to good homie Cake had to say. I'm not watching this movie on principle. His presentation is wrong and his dismissal of Chicagoans opinion on how they're portrayed was insulting, and that's coming from a NYer.

 

[skurrtskurrt29]

If satire was the same as a comedy...why wouldn't it be called a comedy? I couldn't give a **** about what Rhymefest thinks

I haven't seen the movie nor am I agreeing with the approach Spike Lee took, but y'all are acting like he made a full fledged parody of the Chicago streets.

And let me be clear for those of you who are about to take my post the wrong way: I have not seen the movie nor am I claiming to know about Chicago. But the reactions to what seems to be, by many accounts, a decent movie with an actual message (from people who haven't even seen it) is just a little too much to me.

Like I said in this thread previously, if this movie wasn't called Chi-Raq I don't think there would be this much outrage. If Spike had simply made a movie about gang violence in the inner city and called it something else then would everything be ok?

 

[Magic33]

Agree with everything to good homie Cake had to say. I'm not watching this movie on principle. His presentation is wrong and his dismissal of Chicagoans opinion on how they're portrayed was insulting, and that's coming from a NYer.

How are THEY portrayed?

It's hilarious how some of you act like you know what the movie is about, based on the opinion of other people who haven't seen the movie.

It's not a comedy and not even close.

Some of you are outraged over nothing, because you have no idea why you're even upset.

Weren't there funny scenes in Do The Right Thing, School Daze, Mo Better Blues, Bamboozled... Were they comedies? Has Spike Lee ever done a comedy?

 

[cashbanks]

Spike gotta be this dude uncle or something Got Damn!

 

[Magic33]

If satire was the same as a comedy...why wouldn't it be called a comedy? I couldn't give a **** about what Rhymefest thinks

I haven't seen the movie nor am I agreeing with the approach Spike Lee took, but y'all are acting like he made a full fledged parody of the Chicago streets.

And let me be clear for those of you who are about to take my post the wrong way: I have not seen the movie nor am I claiming to know about Chicago. But the reactions to what seems to be, by many accounts, a decent movie with an actual message (from people who haven't even seen it) is just a little too much to me.

Like I said in this thread previously, if this movie wasn't called Chi-Raq I don't think there would be this much outrage. If Spike had simply made a movie about gang violence in the inner city and called it something else then would everything be ok?

I just want to know when has Spike Lee ever made a straight up comedy.

 

[ravagebx]

 

Agree with everything to good homie Cake had to say. I'm not watching this movie on principle. His presentation is wrong and his dismissal of Chicagoans opinion on how they're portrayed was insulting, and that's coming from a NYer.

How are THEY portrayed?

It's hilarious how some of you act like you know what the movie is about, based on the opinion of other people who haven't seen the movie.

It's not a comedy and not even close.

Some of you are outraged over nothing, because you have no idea why you're even upset.

Weren't there funny scenes in Do The Right Thing, School Daze, Mo Better Blues, Bamboozled... Were they comedies? Has Spike Lee ever done a comedy?

We act like we know what the movie is about based on the trailer and the media information made available about the movie. That's how these things work, in case you were unaware. They tell you what the movie is about and then you go see it or you don't based on your interest. The movie is BASED on a Greek COMEDY. The basic premise is women withholding sex to end war. This is NOT what EYE want to see in a movie about Chicago and I get the sense that its the same for many of those who are from Chicago.

Furthermore, the violence in Chicago is far too hot of a contemporary topic to even compare to any of Spike Lee's other movies.

 

[luckyluchiano]

We act like we know what the movie is about based on the trailer and the media information made available about the movie. That's how these things work, in case you were unaware. They tell you what the movie is about and then you go see it or you don't based on your interest. The movie is BASED on a Greek COMEDY. The basic premise is women withholding sex to end war. This is NOT what EYE want to see in a movie about Chicago and I get the sense that its the same for many of those who are from Chicago.

Furthermore, the violence in Chicago is far too hot of a contemporary topic to even compare to any of Spike Lee's other movies.

The movie is based on a play AND events that happened that helped to end the 2nd Liberia Civil War.

Have you seen the movie?

Lol Christ has anyone seen this damn movie? I thought by now we would be having discussions on the actual movie and not a damn trailer or what they heard their homeboy girl friend little sisters teachers aunt say about the movie.

 

[ravagebx]

I very clearly stated that I have not and will not be going to see the movie, along with the rationale as to why.

 

[luckyluchiano]

I very clearly stated that I have not and will not be going to see the movie, along with the rationale as to why.

So at this point what do you have left to discuss? I`d think there would be no point in entering this thread anymore lol. That goes for the others who are still arguing about a film they never planned on seeing.

Anyone who has seen the movie saw that it clearly lays out the basis of the Play and the Real Life events that inspired this story, they literally explain both in the movie.

lol

 

[wrightone86]

Yes, Spike makes racially tense movies and "brings light" to situations in most of his movies....or most of the ones that are his "classics"

I am not taking a stance either way. I merely said that I heard Rhymefest on Sway and said what he talked about since most hadn't heard it. Rhyme has seen the movie and yes it is out in select theaters. Sway and his cast also saw it and he wouldn't let people call in and trash the movie if they hadn't seen it. He would straight up ask them and tell them to watch it and call back and hang up on them. 

Certain people shouldn't play certain roles and Nick is not a "thug/savage". As soon as I saw the first commercial, my thought went something like ...."oh what is this? Seems like it has some decent actors in it.....oh this must be......do they have Nick Cannon playing the leader of a gang?" That is like in the movie CB4 when dude that played Braxton on the Jaime Fox show was the gang leader type stuff 

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Yea you can't compare Depp and Cannon at all.

Depp is one of the more versatile actors in the industry, and Nick is definitely not in that caliber of actor at all.

 

[ravagebx]

There's plenty to discuss revolving around the implications of the success and failure of this movie in relation to what's going on in Chicago. I entered looking for some cogent discussion on the merits of the movie from those of you who did see it and I have yet to find any. 

 

[luckyluchiano]

How in the hell can you have a full on discussion about a movie you have not and refuse to see?

niketalk.com yall

 

[Magic33]

How in the hell can you have a full on discussion about a movie you have not and refuse to see?

niketalk.com yall

While ignoring the opinions of people who actually saw it in preference of those who didn't.

Someone who has never done a comedy, suddenly turned in to Seth Rogen

 

[skurrtskurrt29]

How in the hell can you have a full on discussion about a movie you have not and refuse to see?

niketalk.com yall

Because the 2 minute trailer told them everything they need to know

 

[lobcity]

Hold up Spike pulled the NYC >>> card when Chicagoans criticized this movie?! Son has really lost it.

If you know you can't say something that properly explains why you made the movie you better off being like those directors who are rarely seen and never heard.
Did you seriously just compare Nick Cannon to Johnny Depp as actors? Seriously?





Depp was great in Black Mass. Cannon was great in what? Drumline? Drumline my *****?!

Did you not read what I quoted/responded to?

Someone said Nick is not believable as a gang member , not because he can't act but because he's Nick Cannon, but Depp is believable as a Irish Mafia guy?

 

[ravagebx]

I see reading isn't y'all strong point. "The implications of the success and failure of this movie in relation to what's going on in Chicago." This movie is failing and it lacks support from those it portrays. I'm here to discuss that. Don't like it, too bad.

 

[HEATHEN]

Yes, because Depp is actually an immensely talented actor.

Guy goes to insane lengths to embody a character. Son is legit a psychopath when it comes to his craft.

 

[HEATHEN]

Depp spent time with real life mob guys to prepare for his role in Donnie Brasco.

Cannon gonna go kick it with some GDs or P-Stones?

I can't believe we're even having this discussion.

 

[lobcity]

Yes, because Depp is actually an immensely talented actor.

Guy goes to insane lengths to embody a character. Son is legit a psychopath when it comes to his craft.

Again, I never mentioned Depps acting. I'm fully aware of his range.

I'm saying a guy who is exceptional at improv and has an acting background cant play a gangmember? We didn't say he's playing Malcolm X lol

 

[luckyluchiano]

I see reading isn't y'all strong point. "The implications of the success and failure of this movie in relation to what's going on in Chicago." This movie is failing and it lacks support from those it portrays. I'm here to discuss that. Don't like it, too bad.

How can you say something succeed or failed if you never saw it?

Do you not realize how idiotic that sounds?

What are you going to discuss?

What examples are you going to utilize?

How can you utilize examples to prove your point when you don't know what happens in the movie to extract those scenes to use as examples to get your point across?


niketalk.com yall.