That's the only part you're wrong about, unless by "average rapper" you mean people like Big Noyd and the like --- guys who have never been on the radio, rarely had videos,
Originally Posted by Peep Game
That's the only part you're wrong about, unless by "average rapper" you mean people like Big Noyd and the like --- guys who have never been on the radio, rarely had videos,
and barely had promotion in general. When buying cds was the norm, damn near everybody was going platinum and gold. Memphis Bleek of all people has 4 gold albums.
Yung Joc has one. Chingy has like 4-5 million total sales. Chingy. Chingy. Every major rapper out of Houston was going platinum around time time. Everything came to a stop
though in late 2006, to the point where unless you were Jay, Em, or Kanye, you don't move a damn thing.
Originally Posted by durty pancakes
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You still have yet to prove me that I would of gave artist more money by buying cds than going to their show. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE MUSIC BUSINESS. NO ARTIST is getting more than 2 dollars a cd (And thats a STRETCH), TOUR REVENUES AND MERCHANDISE MAKE WAY MORE. Hell ARTIST ARE GIVING MUSIC FOR FREE THESE DAYS.Originally Posted by seasoned vet
Originally Posted by Peep Game
That's the only part you're wrong about, unless by "average rapper" you mean people like Big Noyd and the like --- guys who have never been on the radio, rarely had videos,
and barely had promotion in general. When buying cds was the norm, damn near everybody was going platinum and gold. Memphis Bleek of all people has 4 gold albums.
Yung Joc has one. Chingy has like 4-5 million total sales. Chingy. Chingy. Every major rapper out of Houston was going platinum around time time. Everything came to a stop
though in late 2006, to the point where unless you were Jay, Em, or Kanye, you don't move a damn thing.
....it wont matter. these dudes will nit pick, and point out every single difference they can to justify stealing music over buying it.
"oh i stole your music, but i paid for your concert and a few tshirts so we good"
"i stole your music, but you werent going platinum anyway"
"i stole your music, but i promise to tell everyone i know about how good it is, i got you my dude, i got you *fist bump*"
...thing is though. if your stance is im going to steal it anyway, and i dont care about the quality of music produced, thats one thing.
...but to steal it, and then expect them to still pump out quality product without conpensation is crazy.
Originally Posted by Grimey
so Comcast basically has been sending me emails saying they are tracking my !$*$ with a list of pirated material i have downloaded via torrents..
"Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act"
Truth be told, its too easy to get quality copies. I dl'd a bluray rip of Tintin last week. My gf the whole time, can't saying I can't believe how good the quality is. And she's right, on a plasma tv it looks better than the movies.
Originally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
You still have yet to prove me that I would of gave artist more money by buying cds than going to their show. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE MUSIC BUSINESS. NO ARTIST is getting more than 2 dollars a cd (And thats a STRETCH), TOUR REVENUES AND MERCHANDISE MAKE WAY MORE. Hell ARTIST ARE GIVING MUSIC FOR FREE THESE DAYS.Originally Posted by seasoned vet
Originally Posted by Peep Game
That's the only part you're wrong about, unless by "average rapper" you mean people like Big Noyd and the like --- guys who have never been on the radio, rarely had videos,
and barely had promotion in general. When buying cds was the norm, damn near everybody was going platinum and gold. Memphis Bleek of all people has 4 gold albums.
Yung Joc has one. Chingy has like 4-5 million total sales. Chingy. Chingy. Every major rapper out of Houston was going platinum around time time. Everything came to a stop
though in late 2006, to the point where unless you were Jay, Em, or Kanye, you don't move a damn thing.
....it wont matter. these dudes will nit pick, and point out every single difference they can to justify stealing music over buying it.
"oh i stole your music, but i paid for your concert and a few tshirts so we good"
"i stole your music, but you werent going platinum anyway"
"i stole your music, but i promise to tell everyone i know about how good it is, i got you my dude, i got you *fist bump*"
...thing is though. if your stance is im going to steal it anyway, and i dont care about the quality of music produced, thats one thing.
...but to steal it, and then expect them to still pump out quality product without conpensation is crazy.
all you guys are just defending the OLD system of the music industry which basically is just supporting these shady labels. I am 100% against record label in this current music environment.
Lets be honest how many of you guys actually post in the music forum outside of Cartune (who ironically gives out free music)
i'd say alot of artists early on have a team of people behind them and they all cover the costs banking on the chance of making it big
so are you saying small acts like Odd Future, Asap Rocky, The Weeknd, Wiz Khalifa, Chip The Ripper, etc basically the new generation of artist arent making money? You keep bringing up record sales but that is so irrelevent to rap music right now most artist are GIVING AWAY music no one is even stealing.Originally Posted by nosqadupper
Originally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
You still have yet to prove me that I would of gave artist more money by buying cds than going to their show. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE MUSIC BUSINESS. NO ARTIST is getting more than 2 dollars a cd (And thats a STRETCH), TOUR REVENUES AND MERCHANDISE MAKE WAY MORE. Hell ARTIST ARE GIVING MUSIC FOR FREE THESE DAYS.Originally Posted by seasoned vet
....it wont matter. these dudes will nit pick, and point out every single difference they can to justify stealing music over buying it.
"oh i stole your music, but i paid for your concert and a few tshirts so we good"
"i stole your music, but you werent going platinum anyway"
"i stole your music, but i promise to tell everyone i know about how good it is, i got you my dude, i got you *fist bump*"
...thing is though. if your stance is im going to steal it anyway, and i dont care about the quality of music produced, thats one thing.
...but to steal it, and then expect them to still pump out quality product without conpensation is crazy.
all you guys are just defending the OLD system of the music industry which basically is just supporting these shady labels. I am 100% against record label in this current music environment.
Lets be honest how many of you guys actually post in the music forum outside of Cartune (who ironically gives out free music)
Except for the fact that your opinion completely ignores reality. Only the biggest artists make money off of touring and merch. Everyone else barely scrapes by. This has all been reported for years.
The top 1% of artists account for 82% of record sales: http://digitalmusicnews.com/stories/031011ridiculous
This same trend is reflected in tour revenue(only the biggest acts make significant money): http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/altrep...y-when-touring-only-mainstream-acts-make.html
Smaller acts(i.e. everyone that's not jay-z, lady gaga, and justin bieber) have to play in smaller venues and often don't make enough to justify touring:
http://www.metalinjection.net/its-just-business/bands-money-touring
http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2010/05/imogen-heap-so-expensive-to-tour.html
And before you say anything about Imogen Heap, while she may be a bit of a niche performer, she's been around for like 15 years and is a grammy winner. I'll repeat that: a grammy winner can't make money touring
Basically, my entire point is that the only people who use excuse that the artists make their money off of touring are pirates who want to justify pirating and have no idea of how the music industry works. Artists rely on touring to support album sales. Most bands lose money on their first few tours, including U2 who i think took 3 or 4 US tours to become profitable. Smaller bands don't stand a chance until people start buying their cd's in greater numbers. They depend on people buying their cd's to recoup advances from labels. You don't seem to be making the connection between the two. And before you say don't sign to a label, DIY tours are even worse. With the increase in gas prices and in a country as vast as the US, it just isn't feasible.
So just to summarize so that you get the point: new band signs to label>label gives advance>cd sales and touring have to repay the advance>cd sales at an all time low and touring is often unprofitable for smaller bands and it often takes 2-3 tours to become profitable
So what we're left with is a bunch of entitled people who don't want to pay for the cd and say they'll go to the show, which even with their attendance will probably be unprofitable for the band(and really i should say record label because that's whose money is still involved at this point) and eventually the band gets dropped because their cd sales are poor and touring is unprofitable and the band has still made next to nothing because you think going to a show means you can steal the cd
